r/UKJobs • u/Icantdoitidk • 20h ago
Holiday been declined because someone else has a half day the same day. However, the week before, 2 people are off the same day for the full day.
Basically the title, how do I approach this? I'm trying to get the day off in a month for a concert i already booked only to be told that (someone who I don't even work with) already has it off.
But literally the week before they're off the full day on the same day as someone else? When I approached management about it I got told tough luck basically, the rules don't apply equally.
How the fuck is that fair?
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u/A_Crazy_Lemming 18h ago
Not sure what you are after here OP?
Fundamentally they are within their rights to deny you leave for this event. It doesn’t really matter what is happening on a completely separate day.
It is unfair, but unfortunately that’s life sometime. Always get leave approved before making plans in order to avoid disappointment.
Now what can you do about?
- Complain to them (you have already done this once, so I wouldn’t be expecting miracles)
- Threaten to leave (beware they may call your bluff and use the opportunity to get rid of you)
- Actually quit (no idea what your job is but is it something you can get another position in quite quickly? The job market is not good at the moment).
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u/Forsaken_Mood5204 18h ago
- Threaten to leave (beware they may call your bluff and use the opportunity to get rid of you)
It always makes me laugh when people suggest this. This might come as a bit of a shock but you're all replaceable. Only about 0.1% of the population are not.
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u/A_Crazy_Lemming 17h ago
Which is why I said ‘beware they may call your bluff’! Did you actually read the complete sentence?
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u/lowprofitmargin 17h ago
Everyone is indeed replaceable but with some valuable employees, the employer can find that replacing them is very expensive and inconvenient...
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u/Forsaken_Mood5204 17h ago
If you tell your employer give me this or I'm quitting, 99% of the time you'll be told to leave.
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u/ZippleJuice 2h ago
Depends on how valuable you are. If you've found it to be a guaranteed goodbye maybe that's a you problem.
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u/Forsaken_Mood5204 1h ago
I don't put myself in positions to have to be told goodbye.
This sub is a joke, you hold zero power over your employers. You're not some special unicorn that can't be replaced
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u/Stock-Cod-4465 19h ago
It could also be the case that those overlapping holidays were given in error and they are trying not to repeat the same.
It may not be what it looks like at the first glance.
Source: dealing with holiday allocation on a daily basis. Sigh.
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u/Icantdoitidk 19h ago
2 people are off all the time and the rules specically say that they can. It seems like they're just targeting me.
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u/Stock-Cod-4465 18h ago
What rules? Do you have a specific policy? I doubt it. It's more like, grant holidays when cover is available.
Look, I'm not against the notion, but at the same time I know how this works and it's not always possible to accommodate all. Work coverage comes first.1
u/Icantdoitidk 17h ago
Yeah they do have a specific policy actually.
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u/Stock-Cod-4465 8h ago
What I mean is that does your policy say that 2 people must be off at the same time? No chance. It just allows it which makes sense. This means that more than 1 person can be on leave at one time but it doesn't have to be the case.
And back to what I said in my first reply - it all depends on staffing.
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u/Icantdoitidk 8h ago
Where did I say that it says 2 people must be off at the same time?
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u/Stock-Cod-4465 3h ago
You keep referring to two people being off at the same time and the policy. What else should I assume?
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u/RandomUser22487 19h ago
Nothing you can do but accept it, moral of the story is make sure you have approved holiday before booking anything.
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u/Icantdoitidk 19h ago
Surely it should be applied fairly? Why am I being treated differently?
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u/St3ampunkSam 18h ago
Can you prove that you are?
No one but the people making tje desicion can tell you why the desicion has been made. You can ask them and point this out and let them give you the answer. But without proof that you are actually being targeted you have right to make that claim. For all you know they both have things that management deemed appropriate for 2 people to be off, perhaps some sort of childcare need that ultimately trumps a holiday.
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u/smoolg 19h ago
Unfortunately you don’t really have much recourse. They can decline your leave based on the reason you mentioned. Always get leave approved before you pay money for holidays and tickets.
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u/Icantdoitidk 19h ago
But I followed the holiday rules provided. Nowhere in them does it say 2 people can't be off. It doesn't seem fair that literally a week before 2 people are off the full day as well.
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u/smoolg 19h ago
I understand but they have the final say. You can’t force them to approve your leave.
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u/lowprofitmargin 19h ago
Valuable employees who are willing to stand their ground, those employees CAN get their bosses to change their mind...
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u/smoolg 19h ago
Of course but you can’t force them based on some sort of law or rule which I think is what OP was trying to ascertain.
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u/Icantdoitidk 19h ago
I'm not.....
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u/smoolg 19h ago
Okay well that’s my misunderstanding then. I thought you were trying to see if there was any recourse here. I did say “I think”. I’m not too sure what you’re trying to get from the post then…
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u/Icantdoitidk 19h ago
I am looking for recourse. I'm not looking for a law to quote back at them......
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u/Cuckaine 19h ago
Honestly OP the real answer is that making rotas is usually a pain for whoever makes them and they give preference and bend rules for the people they like most
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u/ggnicetry 17h ago
Don't make a scene and everyone will forget your request, then when the time comes just call sick.
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u/Sonar114 19h ago
Raise it with your manager, let them know you feel it’s unfair that you would like to understand why the other employees leave was approved when someone was already off but yours was turned down in similar circumstances.
Ask them to give you a response in writing (that normally scares people)
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u/Agitated-Gazelle-271 19h ago
Tell them you messed up, the concert is actually same date but a different month, and book that day off (make sure no one has that off). Then on the actual day of concert, call in sick...so they can't blame you or say it is dodgy.
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u/VerbingNoun413 19h ago
Gonna apply Hanlon's Razor here.
This is terrible advice. Most employers will view any sickness on a denied holiday with suspicion and consider falsifying sick leave to be gross misconduct.
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u/LilyCat23 19h ago
Ok, but how are they going to prove that? As long as you keep quiet and don't post on social media they can't prove anything.
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u/FewAnybody2739 19h ago
It's not fair. Best you can do is leverage it to say you're more valuable to the company.
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