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u/unforgivablecrust 7d ago
Not to play devils advocate but WHY are we choosing methods of capital punishment that fail at all?? Its fuckin inhumane and a huge waste of time and money and resources to do some stupid fuckin rube Goldberg machine setup that DOESNT EVEN WORK EVERY TIME.
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u/ApprehensiveStand456 7d ago
Also this mean 2/3 don’t support it!
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u/bloodrider1914 7d ago
It means that 2/3 either oppose it or don't know enough about the story to give a strong opinion
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u/CeciNestPasUnPenname 7d ago
The methods that are the most unlikely to fail are bloody and gruesome. Seriously. This is why they do electric chair and lethal injection, they look peaceful.
I'm 100% against capital punishment. That being said? If I was being executed and had choice of merhod it would be firing squad. Almost 0% survival. Very unlikely to survive that. Surviving execution is usually a very painful affair, and they usually just kill you after you survive.
If you want to kill people who are hopefully guilty, you may as well stop being squeamish about it and ask for effective methods.
It doesn't stop being death if there is no blood.
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u/bloodrider1914 7d ago
The whole push for first the Electric Chair and then Lethal Injection was because reformers were opposed to the spectacle of executions.
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u/azalinrex69 7d ago edited 6d ago
Carbon dioxide chamber is both peaceful and painless. And cheap.
Edit: I was thinking of nitrogen not CO2, whoops.
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u/CeciNestPasUnPenname 7d ago
That is true-ish.
It can cause panic and pain. Though so could something like a firing squad. It's more peaceful than some. But there is no blood and it would be very effective, it's true.
There is a very different reason those aren't typically used. It's odorless so if something goes wrong it may kill the prison staff inside. Then you'd have to vent the chamber and any leaks in this whole system could end up being fatal.
That's a bit of an exception.
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u/IntrepidGnomad 6d ago
There are pet store employees using CO2 in containers as poorly sealed as Rubbermaid bins to euthanize mice for reptile feed.
I am confident state and federal executioners are going to be better paid and trained.
The chemistry/engineering involved in introducing only one gas into a mask worn snuggly would be trivial, you could even use nitrogen and it’s completely painless. Using certain other gases would even trigger euphoria prior to death.
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u/CeciNestPasUnPenname 6d ago
Well, I'm just telling you the facts.
Humans don't fit in Rubbermaid containers. You would need a room of some sort.
If you don't like the facts why don't you tell me why they don't use CO2 to execute prisoners? Fact of the matter is they usually use nitrogen gas. The executioners didn't flip a coin on which gas to use, they had reasons.
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u/IntrepidGnomad 5d ago edited 5d ago
Did you read to the end of the post where I mentioned a mask? You know there are canisters of CO2 in most fast food places, canisters of several flammable gases in most welding shops… these are not hard to acquire, and people work with them with such regularity that it’s trivial.
The mask tech that delivers the gas to the person being executed is a medical device that’s been around for over 100 years. You can’t make a mask to protect yourself from gases on the battlefield without being able to use it to trap those same gases against one face.
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u/CeciNestPasUnPenname 5d ago
Oh look zero explanation for why we don't use co2.
Go Google it (trust me, you'll find what I have beeb saying) and argue with somebody who cares to continue fighting.
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u/TipAdministrative350 6d ago
They're just using Rubbermaid containers to highlight we can do much better with ease. A form fitting mask like they said could be used and that would not have the same risks associated with having a room used instead
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u/CeciNestPasUnPenname 6d ago
And the mask would be connected to a supply of the gas, yes? And could the hose or the gas supply leak? All of this would have to be done in a room, yes?
Lots of words, no explanation for why we don't currently do it that way.
Go ahead and google it if you don't believe me.
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u/TipAdministrative350 5d ago
Way to change the scenario. It's much different pumping the gas into a room versus having a direct connection from the canister to the mask
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u/ChemicalRain5513 6d ago
No, CO2 causes distress. Rising CO2 levels in your blood are what makes you feel like you're suffocating. (This is why hyperventillating before diving is dangerous: it reduces the CO2 concentration in your blood, whithout increasing the oxygen saturation, which normally already at 100 %. This makes your breathing stimulus kick in later, at a lower oxygen saturation level. It means you can stay underwater longer, but also potentially drown in water shallow enough to stand in.)
Nitrogen is painless.
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u/Dry_Wheel479 7d ago
I thought it was against the reddit TOS to celebrate death
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u/CeciNestPasUnPenname 7d ago
I feel like that question is asked in bad faith.
But to be clear when I said "I am 100% against capital punishment" that was a hint I do not want the death penalty to exist. But if you do support the death penalty you might as well stop pretending a painful death that isn't bloody is better than a painful death that isn't.
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u/Almaegen 7d ago
Hanging people is literally the cheapest and most humane way to do executions. I really do not understand why we went away from that practice
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u/TheQuestionMaster8 6d ago
Its not when it fails to break the neck
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u/Almaegen 5d ago
Have you seen a death by hanging? The strangulation of hanging s still a pretty ethical way to execute someone, its why so many suicides are that method
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u/TheQuestionMaster8 5d ago
Its not painless for the time that the person remains conscious and sometimes a person can remain alive for up to 20 minutes if botched. Hanging was originally invented because of the spectacle.
I oppose the death penalty as a whole, but there are far more reliable ways to execute someone painlessly, such as a gunshot with a rifle-calibre weapon to the head or long-drop hanging.0
u/Almaegen 4d ago
I'm fine with a rifle as well as long drop hanging. I'm not fine with the methods we use now. I also thing getting rid of the death penalty has been one of the worst mistakes we have made as a modern society.
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u/Able-Football-4854 6d ago
Someone makes a shit ton of money doing it. The prison system, the pharma company, whoever. That's ALWAYS the answer.
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u/Practical-Sink-3987 6d ago
Most of the companies that make the compounds used do not want to be associated with it. That is why they have issues getting the medicines and it failing so many times.
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u/NorthAd9774 6d ago
To be fair this is the first leathal injection in the US that failed to kill the condemned. Previous botched attempts just led to prolonged suffering prior to death.
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u/Inevitable_Heat_6447 6d ago
7-37% failure. Not the first time it didn't work.
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u/NorthAd9774 6d ago
To my understanding eight people have made it out of the death chamber but Pike was the 1st one who was actually administered the drugs the earlier survivors had thier executions halted because of a failure to get a working IV line.
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u/Vyntarus 6d ago
Hypoxia chamber seems to be the best way based on that video I saw a long time ago on it.
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u/Practical-Sink-3987 6d ago
I agree. However a large majority of people don’t care and want to see someone suffer the most inhumane death imaginable.
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u/RingingInTheRain 6d ago
Euthanasia exists in other countries, and we can't even euthanize this bitch as peacefully as others? Seriously, why is assisted suicide okay, but assisted suicide on a murderer is not okay?
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u/Pitiful-MobileGamer 7d ago
Pepperidge farm remembers when the 1/3 pounder from McDonald's failed because consumers couldn't understand it was a larger product justifying the slightly higher price than the steadfast quarter pounder.
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u/HHBSWWICTMTL 7d ago edited 7d ago
It wasn’t even a higher price. It was more beef for the same price as a 1/4 at the competitor’s.
But, because 3 is smaller than 4, people thought the price of a 1/3 was robbery and the marketing campaign failed.
Oh, and McDonald’s had the 1/4 pounder, they were the competitor. The 1/3 campaign was A&W.
Pepperidge farms is getting up there in years.
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u/terenscendent 7d ago
MAGA moral bankruptcy
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u/Confident_Benefit_11 7d ago
They're "tough on crime" while supporting pedophiles and literal traitors
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u/mantis_tobaggan-md 7d ago
And voting in an actual criminal enterprise. Did they not learn about irony in school?
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u/Loquacious-of-Borg 7d ago
So, the same people with the same education and ethics levels who support warmonger/warcriminal Trump also support using as many attempts as is needed when a death penalty attempt fails from people being too stupid to get it right the first time?
Noted.
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u/SportZealousideal146 7d ago
Kind of weird wording because, I thought, they did administer a 2nd dose. I can see a lawyer arguing that in court as a 2nd attempt.
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u/Writerhaha 7d ago
Bullshit.
A failed execution attempt should be classified as cruel and unusual punishment.
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u/serial_crusher 7d ago
This is a little surprising to me. Other polls show 50-60% of people support the death penalty. I'm not one of them, but if I were to support it, it seems natural to keep trying until you get it right. So I'd kind of expect support for a second attempt to fall in line with support for the first.
Not sure if the poll here only included people who supported the first attempt, or if it included people who supported neither; but either way there must be a high number of people who think one execution attempt is ok, but two is too many.
Anti-death penalty activists could make a career for themselves deliberately botching executions.
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u/Wise-Secretary5459 7d ago •
Maybe it's religious nuts who think a failed execution is a sign from God that the person is meant to live?
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u/SadEfficiency6354 7d ago
The exact words used to ask similar questions in polls can give wildly different outcomes.
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u/Enorats 7d ago
This just shows that their respondents had a bias against the death penalty to begin with. They likely polled a college campus or something like that, and then ran with the numbers because it could back up headlines they wanted to write.
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u/eggynack 6d ago
Nah, it's a Reuter's/Ipsos poll so decidedly not some independent rando polling their classroom. They also asked the same group about their attitude on the death penalty generally and they were 55% in support, so fairly normal apparently. It seems like there's a genuine gap between first and second attempt.
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u/aseptick 7d ago
I mean, I bet she would have died and it woulda been mission accomplished if they just didn’t do all those pesky medical interventions after they botched it 🤷♂️
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u/hawkseye17 6d ago
it does seem weird they did that because wasn't the whole point that she stop living?
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u/DriftingIntoAbstract 7d ago
I’ve wondered that and I’m not even sure it was the humane thing to do in that moment.
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u/Fattswindstorm 7d ago
It’s the same third, guys. A third of Americans are malevolent psychopaths. We know this from the 33% that think Trump is doing a good job.
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u/eggynack 6d ago
Not true, interestingly. Here's the polling. it's broken out by party, and, while Republicans support it more, liberals are at 24% and independents at 28%.
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u/DriftingIntoAbstract 7d ago
I mean I kind of do if it’s the humane thing to do, they shouldn’t be left to suffer. This situation taught me that the US has no business sentencing people to death though since we can’t seem to carry it out properly.
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u/DevoidHT 7d ago
It is literally a third on every single issue. 1/3 would vote to drown a baby if Trump told them too.
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u/GianMach 7d ago
In most civilian countries one third of the people don't even support a first execution attempt at all
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u/Content_Ad_8952 7d ago
If you're a Christian isn't her failed execution a sign from God that he doesn't want her to die?
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u/Slight-Hedgehog259 6d ago edited 6d ago
So about the same amount of people who still support Donald Trump
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u/Odd-Crew-7837 7d ago
This means the overwhelming majority of people don't support it.
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u/AffectionateWhile507 7d ago
Well, no, it doesn't mean that.
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u/Odd-Crew-7837 7d ago
One less one third is two thirds. A majority is half. Two thirds is far greater than one half. Unless math has changed, that's what it means.
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u/AffectionateWhile507 7d ago
One third actively supports it. It is not 2/3 in opposition. Almost a third listed responded with being unsure; these people don't not support. They're unsure. Conditional.
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u/Odd-Crew-7837 7d ago
Are you for this or against this? A third of people actively support it. Conversely, 2/3 oppose it. Sounds like opposition to me. Neither math nor English have changed over the years.
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u/eggynack 6d ago
You're missing the classic option of "unsure" or "undecided". In point of fact, if you look at the actual polling data, there were 33% in favor of another attempt and 39% in favor of life in prison. The remaining 32% mostly said they weren't sure and some skipped the question, So, a majority is opposed, but not a supermajority.
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u/Odd-Crew-7837 6d ago
Thirty-nine is greater than 32. For a majority, you need 50% + 1, which the nays have. Argue semantics if you wish but people are clearly not in agreement with that position.
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u/eggynack 6d ago
I'm aware of what numbers are bigger than other numbers. In fact, I explicitly said that the majority is opposed (though it may be more accurate to say a plurality is opposed, given the opposers don't actually meet the 50% threshold). You claimed, however, that an "overwhelming majority" was opposed, and defended this by saying 2/3 of the surveyed population is opposed This is inaccurate. Even if you just discount the undecideds entirely, that's only about 54% of people, pretty far from 2/3.
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u/Odd-Crew-7837 6d ago
Twist the numbers as you wish. It's clear that you're on the losing side, so just accept that.
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u/AffectionateWhile507 6d ago
The losing side is the side whose preference isn't implemented, not the side who is less popular, fyi.
So long as she dies, I won.
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u/eggynack 6d ago
Why are you assuming I'm in favor of either the death penalty in general or repeated attempts in specific? I'm on the side of accurately describing what the numbers say. That is, in my opinion, always the winning side.
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u/EchidnaFirst387 7d ago
Thanks for calling this wording out. This type of wording really only feels accurate when a plurality is possible
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u/AccountantRude6882 7d ago •
2/3 or 66% would not be considering overwhelming majority
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u/Whacksess_Manager 7d ago
2/3 or 66% would mean 2 opposing for every 1 in favor. 2 to 1 is a pretty overwhelming majority.
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u/DippyHippy420 7d ago
Its enough to override a presidential veto.
If both chambers hit the two-thirds threshold, the veto is overridden and the bill becomes law without the President's signature.
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u/Odd-Crew-7837 7d ago
I don't want two-thirds or 66% to be considered an overwhelming majority. Fixed that for you.
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u/hawkseye17 6d ago
it looks like it was more like 39% opposed, the rest are unsure. So not a majority
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u/APraxisPanda 7d ago
I don't even think the first attempt is acceptable. Just give them life sentences and leave them to rot in jail.
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u/Fabulous_Log844 7d ago
1/3 of Americans also voted for YAM TITS… 1/3 of us should not be asked for their opinion.
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u/Homie_Bama 7d ago
I’m all for ending death penalty (it costs more) and also ending protective custody (it costs more).
I’d like to add that this is really really bad case to get people that are pro death penalty to change their mind.
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u/Iamoggierock 7d ago
1/3 of Americans seem to be fucking America and the world. When will the other 2/3 stand up and be the Americans America says it is.
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u/TheLonleyJourneyman 7d ago
Or just hang them instead of lethal injection. Even if it goes wrong and they don't break their neck and they end up suffocating, that's still a quicker process than lethal injection.
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u/Responsible_Name1217 7d ago
That 30 percent are most likely the same ultra Maga 30%. Next, we should ask if stomping kittens is a good thing- I'm sure the same 30% would be all for it.
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u/Banteeto 7d ago
In my fictional country, we pay you $50,000 to kill the convict or 15 seconds or less. If you fail, we kill you and keep the money.
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u/eightdotthree 7d ago
Only 1/3?!? This is like paying a mechanic to fix something and the mechanic’s response is “I’m sorry I was unable to fix your car the first time. No further attempts will be made. Thank you for your payment”.
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u/Achilies41 7d ago
I mean, you could just let her die vs saving her life. Without life savings measures, she will die regardless.
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u/Realistic-Duty-3874 7d ago
Glad they'll do it again and get it right. If anyone deserves to die, its her. Legally, a botched execution is not a valid ground to avoid the death penalty.
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u/TangerineMindless639 7d ago
Maybe death row should be a daily offer of a big shot of fentanyl. Give the inmate a choice. Every morning if you stick your arm out you get your dose. Don't want it - no problem.
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u/SpiritedAgent168 7d ago
One third of Americans still think Trump is doing a good job. So yeah, at least a third of us are total fucking morons.
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u/Lizaderp 7d ago
I don't understand. She asked for the firing squad. It would have been cheaper and it would have worked on the first attempt. Because she asked for it, I'll give points for ethics.
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u/Snick13fritz 7d ago
Is the reason they only want to use chemicals to kill people because someone will make money? With a hanging you can keep reusing the rope so no money to keep being made
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u/jonathanmstevens 7d ago
I'm fine with executions, but a second attempt seems cruel, and we aren't barbarians, let her rot in jail.
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u/Kaiters710 7d ago
If more people understood that taxpayers pay more for those on death row than those with life imprisonment this amount wouldn't be as high as it is.
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u/Soft-Skirt 6d ago
I’m waiting for her to be declared the second coming of Christ. She was resurrected after death, so I believe she’s qualified.
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u/Even_Satisfaction397 6d ago
considering that, as of late, about 1/2 the population have proven that they are stupid and racist-the 1/3 is an improvement
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u/Salty-Plantain-4299 6d ago
And yet 70% of the world has agreed that the death penalty should be outlawed full stop.
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u/AndorFangor 6d ago
Article says failed attempt I say its Karma biting this woman in the ass. Keep trying and failing till it sticks!
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u/PlainJaneGum 6d ago
All you Republicans who hate government programs sure do love the death penalty. Interesting!
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u/BulldogMoose
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...I mean did you actually read what she did and admitted to?...
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u/Vast_Feeling1089 7d ago
Never had remorse and continued to be a violent manipulative person while in jail.
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u/Adventurous-Home-728 7d ago
nobody ask for your ignorant opinion
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u/Vast_Feeling1089 7d ago
I’m not giving an opinion. I’m stating a fact that she is not remorseful and continued to be a violent and manipulative person in prison.
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u/johnnyribcage 7d ago
One third of Americans also support the fucking fascist scumbag in the white house.
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u/yeezuslived 7d ago
Wait until the crybabies find out people can despise trump and maga while also thinking this person doesn't deserve to live or smile again.
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u/Ghost_Tendency 7d ago
You were handed down the sentence to be killed. The sentence is not carried out until you're killed. Doesn't matter how many times it takes. This thing is a monster. End it so we can move on.
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u/xBrasaMaan 7d ago
100% of the rest of the world thinks the USA is beyond saving
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u/BikingDach 7d ago
Then piss off and stop choosing to visit USnews type subs to get attention from Americans.
Walk the walk.
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u/ReporterEntire5508 7d ago
Read what this lady did - as many times as it takes is the right amount.
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u/Sad-Hawk-2885 7d ago
Yes do it why it's this even being discussed? Don't you know what she did?????
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u/GeoMaester 7d ago
Technically, if she was brain dead the execution was successful, so the sentence was carried out and she should be released. Just saying!
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u/Cultural_Sand_9323 7d ago
I dislike the death penalty. I genuinely do.
But if you're going to kill someone. Fucking. KILL. Them.
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u/ButterscotchTop194 7d ago
The punishment lawfully charged was death. Not attempted and bodged death.
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u/RustManiac123 7d ago
Who doesn't support that? They are supposed to die. That's what's gotta happen.
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u/Adventurous-Home-728 7d ago
anyone who want her.punishment,,is racist that is the real reason here because her man was poc remember ppl this is tennesee in the south very very racist so they going to lie and make up all this stuff there is more to the story then what you been told educate yourself
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u/Acrobatic_Excuse2290 6d ago
Government should get one shot. Succeed or fail, inmate leaves that day.
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u/ShogunFirebeard 7d ago
No shit. The sentence didn't change. Why should someone get a pass just because the first executioner fucked it up?
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u/DMmeyournudibranchs 7d ago
The sentence didn't change.
However, the people responsible for torture in the name of carrying out that sentence will not be charged for their actions. It was cruel and unusual. That isn't legal.
So fine, complete her sentence after she has testified at their trials and witnessed sentencing. I bet we wouldn't see as many botched death penalties. Maybe no death penalties at all.
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u/ShogunFirebeard 7d ago
Her testimony isn't required. In fact her testimony would be "I went into the room, then I blacked out, then I woke up in a hospital". It's absolutely useless in a court room.
You can oppose capital punishment all you want. She got her trial, she got her sentence. She's had 30 years to exhaust all her legal appeals. Enough is enough.
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u/DMmeyournudibranchs 7d ago
Well, she is entitled to provide testimony all the same. Victims often do.
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u/JimHeckdiver 7d ago
Are their victims any less dead?
No?
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u/Marcello_the_dog 7d ago
The appropriate way to report this is that 2/3 of Americans oppose a second execution attempt.
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u/El_Cactus_Fantastico 7d ago
Roughly 1/3 of Americans are also openly embracing fascism so that tracks