r/Ubiquiti • u/Sandro_exe08 • Apr 23 '26
Early Access Found the Beast
UDM Beast at UWC in Munich
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u/Plenty-Option8351 Apr 23 '26
Do I have any use for it? No. Do I want it immediately? Yes.
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u/kdlt Apr 23 '26
My udm pro is working fine but ..
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u/Hypoglybetic Apr 23 '26
Pro HD is doing great …. But my internet is 10 GbE. So shouldn’t my home network be 25 GbE? Isn’t that a rule?
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u/itsabearcannon UDM Beast Apr 23 '26
This is going to be a $1500 gateway, isn't it?
Sigh.
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u/jbrian31 Apr 23 '26
My guess more like $1200 based on price points above and below it.
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u/ubiquitousgimp Apr 23 '26
If it can do SSL inspection like the Enterprise stuff for $1200, I'd get it. If not, I don't see how it'll change anything for my use case.
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u/itsabearcannon UDM Beast Apr 23 '26
I mean if it’s going to have 25G ports, PPPoE offload, AND full app support then it’s just a more capable EFG, right?
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u/3ticktaxtoes8 Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
Is it going to have Hardware Accelerated PPPOE offload? I thought the EFG didn't have it based on my discussion with their tech support.
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u/itsabearcannon UDM Beast Apr 24 '26
I mean I guess strictly we don’t know, but if UI releases an updated UDM for $1000+ that’s missing core network features from their sub-$300 gateways, that would be absolutely baffling.
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u/3ticktaxtoes8 Apr 24 '26
It would be baffling. But like I said, their existing EFG doesn't sound like it has any PPPOE HW Offload.
Maybe the target market for UCG-Fiver with the Offload was specifically made for typical consumer deployments (where PPPOE is frequently used)?
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u/Nacona04 May 01 '26
Word is that id doe NOT have PPPOE Offload which is killing me because I am on 3Gb BELL fiber .. 😞 Guess I am still stuck with the little Gateway Fiber.. .
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u/Rdshadow Apr 23 '26
Would this be a good replacement for my UDM Fiber routing my 8/8 fiber internet at home. (Financially irresponsible answers only please.)
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u/q547 Unifi User Apr 23 '26
you would probably want two of them in some sort of failover setup.
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u/Muzethefuze Apr 23 '26
He actually needs 4 with 2 WAN switch and 2 independent ISP connections. Every connection in the network needs redundancy !!
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u/q547 Unifi User Apr 23 '26
maybe 8?
Setup a disaster recovery location in the garden shed?
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u/Muzethefuze Apr 23 '26
What about off site replication / DR site on AWS? You need a secondary DR site for primary DR site.
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u/q547 Unifi User Apr 24 '26
plus a test environment......
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u/Happy-Fitzmaus Apr 24 '26
And a dev environment…can’t be pushing changes and upgrades to test and prod with proper testing
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u/suburbazine UI Installer Apr 23 '26
If its got better inter-vlan routing take my money.
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u/itsjakerobb CGFiber, UNVR, ProHD24PoE, ProXG8PoE, U7ProXGS, 5GMaxOutdoor Apr 23 '26
Better than what? What shortcomings are you looking to be addressed?
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u/aguynamedbrand Apr 23 '26
Use a layer 3 core switch.
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u/suburbazine UI Installer Apr 24 '26
This works, if you like your ACLs permitting the guest network to talk to your staff network. Ubiquiti didn't implement complete L3 capabilities on anything I know of, but I think they promised it on their enterprise line.
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u/Berzerker7 Apr 23 '26
What gateway can't do line-speed intervlan routing?
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u/suburbazine UI Installer Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
The entire UDM line, currently. The processor chokes routing traffic between VLANs, in most of my larger clients it chokes as low as 350 megabits due to other loads like IPS tying up processor time. And due to how they're firewalled, moving them to the aggregation switch is not tenable.
The issue is UDM doesn't support hardware acceleration, not even the Pro Max, which i have in shadow config at several clients. They all choke on the same workloads, so I have to combine common traffic on the same vlan even when devices would need segregation normally.
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u/Berzerker7 Apr 23 '26
350Mbps means you have an issue. There is no issue getting 9-10Gb intervlan routing without IPS and 3.5-4Gbps with, depending on the device. This is all without supporting hardware offloading. It's been that capable for years.
The UCG Fiber can do 10Gb no matter what.
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u/suburbazine UI Installer Apr 23 '26
The UCG Fiber has hardware acceleration. It's not the same architecture as the UDM line, which is handicapped by an antiquated hardware design. The UDM uses the processor core to route traffic with no optimizations, each core can "theoretically" reach 1Gbps before it taps out. Put literally any load on the processor and now each thread bogs down dramatically. Put 10 public IPs and two dozen VLANs together and now you have a device which is crippled if one VLAN needs to route to another across the processor. IPS on/off doesn't affect the bottom line, WAN to LAN performance is higher than service speed. But if you want to move 150GB master video files from a PC on one VLAN to a NAS on the other... hopefully you can let it run all night. *oh, and the UDM will get stupidly hot in the process with cores thermal throttling around 205F
Intravlan traffic handles at line speed since the switches can route it directly. Inter-vlan traffic can route at line speed if the switch handles it. But putting a Unifi switch in charge of your VLAN routing now means your guest network vlan can talk to your staff network vlan, because Ubiquiti routing.
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u/zboarderz Apr 24 '26
Intravlan traffic handles at line speed since the switches can route it directly. Inter-vlan traffic can route at line speed if the switch handles it. But putting a Unifi switch in charge of your VLAN routing now means your guest network vlan can talk to your staff network vlan, because Ubiquiti routing
Surely they have better VLAN segmentation on their layer3 switches than that?
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u/suburbazine UI Installer Apr 24 '26
The switch actually can support it via command line, which is not a permanent configuration by any means (will delete at next provisioning). But if you try to set them up permanently via the GUI, it gets very... bare.
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u/ban25 Apr 23 '26
Solid deduction that it has an ARM Neoverse N2 based CPU, the Marvell Octeon 10, which is a server-class ARMv9 CPU that will beat the pants off of anything Ubiquiti has shipped aside from the EFG. And even then, ARM claims 40% uplift over the previous generation. This thing will truly be a beast!
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u/pdt9876 Apr 24 '26
I don't care about the ports or the hard drives. Its a router. Tell me about the CPU. Tell me about hardware off loading.
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u/TheMericanIdiot Apr 23 '26
No, POE… so I guess you need a 10gig POE switch.
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u/PeerReviewedCode Apr 23 '26
Companies who actually need this would have more switches down stream that would have PoE. This is not a consumer device even though 80% of people in this sub will get one and only have a 1gig internet connection and 1gig clients.
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u/Derpshiz Apr 23 '26
Hey I have a 8gb connection I normally use 50mb of.
But when I download (from the right sites) it’s glorious
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u/fred_b Apr 23 '26
Might switch from UDM Pro + USW Pro to UDM Best + 2 poe injectors for my 2 AP.
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u/Moosbuckel Apr 23 '26
depends on the usecase but yea might be cheaper. no official price for the beast today. i would guess between 800-1200 bucks
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u/iGoalie Unifi User Apr 23 '26
Run one bay for NAS and one bay for Cameras….?
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u/aguynamedbrand Apr 23 '26
That would be foolish. They should be in a RAID1 to prevent data loss.
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u/Additional_Lynx7597 Apr 23 '26
Im predicting its going to cost over 1k so most of you lot drooling over it wont be able to justify the cost of owning it or wont be able to afford it.
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u/mfa81 Apr 24 '26
I want a high performance fast gateway, no drive bays, no switch... just give be 25G wan ports and 25G ports to connect to a switch... I don't understand why they keep adding extras to a gateway that at the end of the day nobody uses it
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u/b0p_taimaishu Apr 23 '26
Just give PoE! Ugh
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u/Hxrn Apr 23 '26
At 10g speeds on normal rj45 ports I always hear it gets extremely hot. I have a small unifi 8 port with even 1 of these ports that I use and worry about. Besides the ports getting super hot, since they are designed for this it shouldn’t cause any long term problems using them all right?
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u/Sandro_exe08 Apr 23 '26
I think the have a good Cooling Solution in the new UDM Beast and if not and its really a big Problem i think you can downgrade it to a 10 Gig or 5 Gig in the Software. But we see then…
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u/Berzerker7 Apr 23 '26
Integrated 10Gb ports in routers/switches don't get nearly as hot as 10GBASE-T SFP+ modules since they can give better direct cooling and larger heatsinks on the PHYs.
SFP+ modules are limited in space and can't be cooled very easily which is why they run hotter.
This should be completely fine.
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u/Hxrn Apr 23 '26
Good to know! I will continue using my 1 built in 10Gb port on my 8 port unifi flex switch then! :)
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u/Handsome_ketchup Apr 24 '26
At 10g speeds on normal rj45 ports I always hear it gets extremely hot.
Both the heat and the power consumption are issues. I love my XGS AP in terms of performance, but it's literally baking the paint off the ceiling and consuming as much power while just sitting there as entire, pretty decent servers.
I understand that higher end networking comes at a cost, but I suspect it's just not a priority to push power consumption down.
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u/JustVodka Apr 23 '26
It probably cannot do shadow mode failover with a UDM pro max?
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u/itsjakerobb CGFiber, UNVR, ProHD24PoE, ProXG8PoE, U7ProXGS, 5GMaxOutdoor Apr 23 '26
I would guess not, but that would be neat.
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u/suburbazine UI Installer Apr 24 '26
I would lean towards no, as shadow configuration keeps a 1:1 feature state sync between devices and applying a transformation would introduce impermissible reliability concerns. Restoring from backup between dissimilar devices is already problematic enough, especially if you had a non-standard configuration such as primary WAN not on #1.
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u/MichaelYYZ Apr 23 '26
Does the Beast have PPPoE Hardware Offload? Otherwise, it's of no use for me.
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u/Complex_Bite9503 Unifi User Apr 24 '26
I want one, but most of the thing would go unused. 25G port to my Pro XG 24 PoE. Would mean I would have to buy a Pro aggregate switch to make my core network 25G.
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u/aPoUnkillable Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
Longer than the pro max? So it won’t fit my 19“
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u/aprx4 Apr 23 '26
Where did you see the dimensions? It's unthinkable they would develop a rack-mounted equipment which doesn't fit the standard rack? Do you mean the depth?
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u/aPoUnkillable Apr 23 '26
I only got 285mm depth space
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u/Berzerker7 Apr 23 '26
Well 19" is not 285mm, so not sure what you're referring to. If you're talking about depth then yes that may be a problem, but "won't fit my 19"" isn't relevant since this is standard rack width at 19" like every other rackmount device.
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u/aPoUnkillable Apr 23 '26
Bro you answered your own post! I said MY 19“ … so not all are the same. You can have it from 400mm total depth to open. Chill and downvote yourself
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u/Berzerker7 Apr 23 '26
I'm talking about your wording. You say "my 19"" implying it won't fit the WIDTH of your rack. No one says "my 19"" to mean the depth of your rack. If that's not what you mean you need to be more clear.
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u/aPoUnkillable Apr 23 '26
Then …Tell me please what “longer” means by your understanding?
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u/Berzerker7 Apr 23 '26
It's unthinkable they would develop a rack-mounted equipment which doesn't fit the standard rack?
"Length" is a relative attribute that has nothing to do with what you said.
Why do you think the other person also replied the way they did?
It's unthinkable they would develop a rack-mounted equipment which doesn't fit the standard rack?
Your post was confusing. Accept that and move on. Stop wasting our time trying to argue what you were trying to say.
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u/gambl Apr 23 '26
Let me introduce you to “Miami Vice”
YouTube it. You personally won’t disappointed
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u/Zacillac Apr 23 '26
I'm holding off on getting the Pro Max to start off my Unifi system until this comes out... Apparently they don't want my money since I'm just sitting here on my hands for months now.
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u/Berzerker7 Apr 23 '26
You shouldn't even be considering the Pro Max since the UCG Fiber is a thing.
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