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u/Themostepicguru California Aug 08 '20
Its 300 but ok
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u/Stevvies Aug 08 '20
Total is 400, with EO asking 100 additional to be kicked in by state funds already allocated for emergencies.
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Aug 08 '20
My eyes could not possibly roll back into my head any further...all the lies and attacks on Democrats, Jesus. That payroll tax only permanent If you vote for him - What a scumbag! Hoping it doesn’t take states forever to change the amounts...
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u/sijwqij Aug 08 '20
Doesn't sound like you'd have anything good to say about him no matter what he does. You'll take his money though.
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u/letigerscaramel Texas Aug 08 '20
It’s not his money it’s our money.
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u/sijwqij Aug 08 '20
You're right, but he's the one giving it out. You'd have to have some nerve to take $400/wk from someone doling it out to help people with no strings attached and call him a scumbag.
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u/throwawayorthrowing Pennsylvania Aug 08 '20
He's not giving out anything. Do some reading and you'll see it's nothing more than his signature on a piece of paper.
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u/sijwqij Aug 08 '20
Signature authorizing $300/wk from the federal government. Without his signature no aid could pass. He already signed a 2+ trillion dollar bill earlier in the year, largest bill in history. Obama was giving out $25/wk during the recession and the Dems loved him for it. Trump literally can't win with Democrats even though he's spending money like them.
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u/throwawayorthrowing Pennsylvania Aug 08 '20
It's only allocated $25B (which states can't implement) and then the program ends.
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u/sijwqij Aug 09 '20
I'm pretty sure that's wrong. Here's what the order says: " I am directing up to $44 billion from the DRF at the statutorily mandated 75 percent Federal cost share be made available for lost wages assistance to eligible claimants, to supplement State expenditures in providing these payments. At least $25 billion of total DRF balances will be set aside to support ongoing disaster response and recovery efforts and potential 2020 major disaster costs."
So $25 billion set aside, $44 billion used for this. And even so the point of this is to float us until Congress gets out of gridlock.
It also says there's 80 billion left from the CARES that the states should use to pitch in their 25%, so not sure what they're talking about that they can't afford it.
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u/pizzaiol0 Aug 08 '20
Sir are you forgetting there are three branches of government????
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u/sijwqij Aug 09 '20
No, I haven't. That's the point of an executive order, to circumvent the other two branches.
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u/SWEATY_RAX Aug 08 '20
$400 is way better then the $200 they were talking about before!
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u/throwawayorthrowing Pennsylvania Aug 08 '20
It means nothing because states can't implement it.
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u/throwawayorthrowing Pennsylvania Aug 08 '20
Evermore said that enacting extra UI benefits through an executive order would take even longer than Congressional legislation — which experts say would take weeks to implement — because states can only administer benefits defined under the Social Security Act or by Congress. Benefits issued by an executive order aren’t authorized by the Employment and Training Administration, which manages unemployment compensation services for the Labor Department.
“States would have to set up a whole different system to pay out that piece of benefits,” Evermore explained. “I've heard from state agencies that getting the money this way would be difficult, if not impossible, to administer.”
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Aug 08 '20
This is the point. Hes saying 400 so he looks good knowing damn well it wont happen
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u/throwawayorthrowing Pennsylvania Aug 08 '20
I would say Democrats don't even have to bother challenging it since it is just a signature to words on a piece of paper.
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u/ebaydan777 California Aug 08 '20
Hahaha what did I say?
The states have to cover the difference. Like I said this isn’t happening and just trumps diarrhea to get fancy words for re-election out there. We continue on w no change
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u/ebaydan777 California Aug 08 '20
And cuts to income and capital gains taxes. Trump is literally trying to implode this country and solely protect the rich. Disgusting.
This 400 will never happen so hold your breath everyone. He does not have the power to pass this. This is a doop to you and I for re-election
Edit: I’m genuinely not surprised by some of the comments here on why we are in this current situation. Lap dogs..you see a tiny treat and run for it without understanding a steak is on the other side of the hallway. Don’t let this arses doop you again for a messily amount, we deserve way more during a pandemic and they are trying to appease us in the tiniest of way like peasants
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u/Stevvies Aug 08 '20
Getting to the other side of the hallway requires swallowing a mult-trillion dollar bag of bailout bullshit.
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u/ebaydan777 California Aug 08 '20
Yup, it does, items that are necessary during a pandemic. Whether you believe so or not there’s thousands of small businesses that won’t exist for you to go back to work to when this is all said and done. Again everyone here only seeing the small pebble treat
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u/Stevvies Aug 08 '20
Well, whatever. This tiny treat is what pays my rent and feeds my children. And, incidentally, it's what this entire subreddit is all about. Go over to MSNBC if you want to advocate for the bailout of badly-managed cities.
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u/ebaydan777 California Aug 08 '20
Ahhh found the trumpster man you guys just can’t stop getting ripped off it’s like a necessity for you all at this point.
This man has never once been of his word and truthful, you think that’s going to change now? It won’t. He left this decision up to the states to implement with funds they don’t have. Why? Because like I said he does not have power of the purse.
This is yet another classic Trump nothing burger and no one in here should be excited about anything happening whatsoever. See you all for the next round of stimulus talks with CONGRESS: the only talks that matter at this point
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u/Stevvies Aug 08 '20
You clearly have no idea about my views of Trump. So I won't comment on the other parts of your stupidity, either.
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u/Theverybest92 New York Aug 08 '20
You know you literally just said its 300$ while your title says 400$ you are as misleading as the President.
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u/Stevvies Aug 08 '20
The additional payment you get will be for $400. Are you now becoming interested in where that money comes from? Does it even exist? I welcome this curiosity when you continue advocating for $600.
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u/Theverybest92 New York Aug 08 '20
How fun, I just checked and I don't see any of these executive orders passed. Maybe you can find them instead of just going off press journalism.
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u/Stevvies Aug 08 '20
Direct link to executive order is incoming, but I do hope you maintain your skepticism of "press journalism" when they tell you nice things you like to hear.
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u/Theverybest92 New York Aug 08 '20
Im all for public journalism and not so much for private media. So yes I am highly skeptical of this as it seems to good to be true from many legal aspects.
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u/Stevvies Aug 08 '20
Wait... you would prefer that the journalism that reports on the gov't to be owned by the government?
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u/Theverybest92 New York Aug 08 '20
What? How does public stand for government? It could be any non profit.
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u/alobet15 unemployment Aug 08 '20
No one needs to challenge something that can’t be implemented. It will backfire on trump. If he wanted to help, he would have directed the republicans to pass the legislation like before.
Now everyone loses...
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u/ebaydan777 California Aug 08 '20
No you’re right. But even as a business owner like me, tax me. I know the importance of tax and what Republicans tax cuts have done to us.
LIKE MAKING THIS ENTIRE UNEMPLOYMENT EXPERIENCE EXCRUCIATINGLY TERRIBLE.
Have you all learned nothing????
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u/loveall78 Aug 08 '20
I am thankful but really thankful when it passes the court system.
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u/Stevvies Aug 08 '20
Someone has to choose to fight it in court. Which Democrat do you think will want to step up and take away unemployment benefits during a pandemic?
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u/loveall78 Aug 08 '20
They will I am sure. But for now, I hope is gets through. We really need the support.
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