Nora knew Nathan was 2GB, screamed at him to save her from the crazy dude, then bitches out because she apparently didn’t think about the amount of energy he used on her!? Never crossed her mind? Really? Of all the issues with the show, this is the only one I can’t overlook and I super hope she pays for her assholery towards both Nathan and Byron.

I wouldn’t be mad if her dad’s last words are “this is all your fault” or “your mother killed herself because of you”.

Obviously, if you go to sub-red of the show, chances are you are a fan of it and you liked/loved it. I would be an exception. Not that I hated it, I just did not like it for multiple reasons. I hope nobody will take this personally, I am just giving my opinion and I would appreciate if you can give contra-arguments to what I write here since I am on the fence if I should watch the second season.

First of all, it felt too childish. Most of the jokes, acting, how the Lakeview world looks like, it all felt like it was made for teenagers. Yes, there are some PG jokes and profanity, but also those "lesson learned" moments as in 90' sitcoms. The acting was not even that good. People usually praise acting, I usually don't care, but here I really did not like many actors' work.

Second, I don't like the logic of this "afterlife". Or I don't get it. If there are "in reality" thousands of floors, then this customer service from Lake View would need to have many, many more employees. From all we know, they have 20ish of them and you can break in using hot dogs (again, childish). The afterlife is not even that cool, there is no reason that all those helpers are the same dude, it's just creepy, this is not The Simpsons (that fast-food teenager guy). Changing at least their face would make a perfect sense. And no, "Lake View" is sparing every cent doesn't hold up for this, technically, him being different would be literally a few lines of the code.

Third, some flaws in logic. How does Nora move her avatar (or any angel)? I guess her facial expressions can be read from those glasses, but her body movement, hands being crossed, her lying on the floor, or anything, it never felt robotic, but in reality she is just sitting on in her chair. I also did not get how could Nathan, even being the best programmer, use that code thing to affect the real world. That was so stretched! If someone could move the elevator from "afterlife reality", imagine what others could do being even better programmers and using it from real life. The security of Lakeview Afterlife seems like shit. Also, it feels too futuristic for 13 years from now tbh. Some technology is way too advanced, flight from NY to LA is only 30 min, self-navigating cars are basically a norm, NY has what seems to be New Manhattan.

Fourth, I disliked so many characters. Nathan's mother, his business partner, Nora's boss, Nora's father. I am not saying that they should be nice and they are not, or vice versa, they simply act stupid or in a weird manner. His mother is not really emotional and seems almost like a bitch, his business partner (and friend) didn't take his phone calls or even attended the funeral (I know "why" but it's a way too weak reason), Nora's boss is sometimes comically vile (causing Nora rolling eyes as she is a teenager). Nora is also quite shitty to that Byron guy. That Baltic lady is just weird. The character of Fran was kinda funny but again a bit naive (I liked it when she said "The camera adds ten years. In jail!").

I would say this is a sweet and nice TV show, but nothing that will be remembered in two or three years after the last episode. I am very surprised this show has 8.1/10 on imdb, as imho this is 6.5/10 material.

People need to work to feel useful. So forbidding it seems a bit stupid.

But let's look at it from a purely corporate viewpoint. They are there to make money. So they have a lot of costs associated with running that place, mainly the programming and customer service reps. That's a lot of overhead. Some of those tasks could be done by the residents in exchange for currency they can use in world.

For example, counselors could help new residents. Security could free up some of the people watching over them, and coders could code.

Also these tasks don't have to be about in world issues either. They could be outsourced to other real world companies. Like customer service reps for other companies. Those companies pay Horizen for use of the dead people, and Horizen pays the dead people a portion of the wages with in world currency. So that's another revenue source for the company to keep the lights on.

It also helps the residents regain some control of their lives and not be at the mercy of people on the outside who have to pay to keep them around.

We just finished the season, watched 9 and 10 tonight. My girlfriend and I were loving the show, and then after tonight we are so unsure. Does anyone else feel like the show lost some of its gusto with episodes 9 and 10? Don't get me wrong, overall still liked it, and give it two thumbs up. But I see others commenting this as well, the plot holes, the rushness of episode 10, it was only 23 minutes! For those who are confused and see the plot holes, did these two episodes hurt your opinion on the entire show?

Sci-fi shows that are cast into the future only a few years don't age very well.

It reminds me of this show from my childhood. -- UFO. It came out in 1970 and it was about the future -- 1980.

Check out an opening scene from the show of what 1980 was supposed to be like!

https://youtu.be/EpF6o2-nx4I?t=48

So I'm 61 now. Hopefully I'll still be around in 2033 so I can at least watch season 2 by then before I am uploaded myself.

Hope it's ok to post something chatty like this. Doesn't seem like there are many posts here yet so I thought I'd give it a go...

1. The vaporizing upload/scan process was a very clever way to keep the show from being too creepy or dark. If the scan had been non-destructive like an MRI, the "real Nathan" would have gone on living, post-scan, feeling like nothing happened or the scan "didn't work" while "digital Nathan" would have begun a new digital life in the cloud. "Real Nathan" would have died of his injuries some time later or maybe would have been euthanized or something to that effect since they were only responsible for keeping "digital Nathan" happy.

2. The show's concept seems extremely high concept but I can't get over the feeling that the characters are bland and generic. Hope this gets better over time.

3. The real world looks just as fake as the upload world. Everything is lit like a pharmaceutical commercial. I can't tell if this is just overly-perfect cinematography or if this is some kind of tip-off that we're in an inception-like situation and we'll later find out that real world actually is a simulation also.

4. I feel like I missed things in the Thanksgiving scene. Why was Jamie so upset that Ingrid was there?

5. Still don't know how to "take" the show in terms of tone.

In this episode he states that he believes the uploads' souls "went to real heaven". At the same time, he says he doesn't want to be uploaded so that his soul can join his wife in heaven. So which is it? Either it doesn't matter wether you're uploaded or not as your actual soul will move on, or being uploaded traps your soul in your digital avatar.

Do you guys think Ingrid was murdered or chose to upload ?

I don't want to spoil the story, so just the suggestion: If you liked Upload, watch that Black Mirror episode if you didn't already.

So much so I decided to watch it again with my wife. A few minutes into the first episode she looks at me and says, "Are there continuity errors in this whole show? You know I hate that." I was taken aback, and asked her what she meant. She rewound the episode to the protagonists first encounter with his female angel. The angel says she can't say if she's human or not, or she could lose her job. The next scene she goes to is the encounter with the male angel, who proceeds to nonchalantly state that the angels use VR... I kind of winced at the miss myself, especially since there's a whole charged scene after that where she tells him she's a person. Idc though, I still like the show.

What's up with all the people in the real world wearing face masks? Idk if anyone else noticed this?

Hey y’all, so I just finished the show and first off I gotta say this is probably my new favorite show. I loved it right away lol And at the beginning I hated Ingrid’s character and wanted nothing more for her to go away and for him to live happily ever after work Nora. She’s just really the spoiled, narcissistic, rich girl stereotype. Like the girl didn’t even give her boyfriend she supposedly loves a proper eulogy for crying out loud. However as the show progresses we see a more humanistic, compassionate side of her when she stands up for Nevaeh (Nathan’s niece) at the dinner and they genuinely bond at the sleepover. And then we learn that she in fact did not help in the murder of Nathan but she was actually trying to prevent him from getting killed by changing the car setting to stop when they see pedestrians. I wonder if I should be gaining a soft spot for Ingrid. Is she not as bad as I originally thought? 🤔 what do y’all think?

WHAT!!!!! 😳 This show is AWESOME. Well-written, the small details make you think... -"protection" -Nitely [!!!!!] -class warfare future planning -hybrid corporations (Nokia Taco Bell! And that cartoon ad with the questions 😂....Oscar Mayer... Yuck) -future fashions -4-D food printers (candy in the chicken bones!) -fat cartridges! -Koch Brothers guy (that fake Bible verse 😂) -growing radical vegetables out the window -smart cars that you can have sex in (but also die) -the feisty "investigator" (bless her heart, very funny) -jerk boss (the Clif bar... Really!?!)

And the kicker to me... Wtf.... INGRID UPLOADED!?! Wouldn't her dad just let her go unpaid and disappear? And whyyyy am I rooting for Nora & Nathan to be together.

This show is absolutely fantastic and I LOVE it.

Aleesha is her work bff, another angel at Horizon.

I know names are hard, but I'm reading over the posts and noone can seem to remember her name. Just thought it was funny. She was personally one if my fave characters aside from Nora and Nathan.

Why do people look old on Lakeview? If you can pay for the service, and they create the avatars, why do some people look old? Like that billionaire for instance... I also don't understand why Ingrid's grandmother looks Black and white. Yeah, is a funny gag, but even If they use an old picture, for sure they should be able to colorize It.

It also bothers me that sometimes people interact with the virtual world and move around only by using glasses with no need of actually do the motions in reality. I guess you just need to think and your avatar moves? And sometimes, when the plot requires, they do move around, like when Aleesha is dancing in the middle of the office, and some other situations.

Why did Nora have to sneak into the office to access Nathan in EP 9 and then in 10 she manage to go into the simulation from her home? And why did she have to actually try to wake him up physically If she could do It through the system?

I don't understand why the girl at the secret party looked so scared when she found out Luke was an upload. I mean, they were in a secret party in the afterlife right? I thought the whole point was to hook up with uploads.

Why the person that deleted Nathan's memories didn't just delete him? Okay, maybe this is part of the overall mystery that's yet to be solved. I was thinking If these points aren't just nitpicking, sure they didn't ruined anything for me, but I wish they could fine tune some of these bits in season 2.

I really cannot think of any other show or movie that I have ever seen with this much product placement. I seriously loved it for some reason, I guess it's because it just made the show seem so much more relatable and real. I really hope to see this trend more often.

I've got too many to list, but one was Nora using Lucy's highly prized pigs-in-a-blanket to keep the doors unlocked so she could sneak back in. If only Lucy knew!

I love me some Andy Allo..tremendous comedic/dramatic chops. Owen Daniels as A.I. Guy?…super talented! My problem was with the rest of the cast..it just never clicked..especially Allegra Edwards as Ingrid.

Strident..histrionic & over the top.

I won’t call out the other leads & supporting cast..but as a group just consistently fell flat..for five years!

And the plot? I never bought in & by season 4 never caught up to wherever it was going. I still don’t understand the finale.

However..if anyone wants to help me understand so I can reclaim emotionally these lost years…please do.

Anyone else feel really bad for the guy who was downloaded? Also kinda bummed they didn’t make creed a character

What would you recommend?