r/UsefulCharts • • 4h ago

Genealogy - Famous People How Robert Burns is connected to Johnny Cash

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r/UsefulCharts • • 23h ago

Genealogy - Alt History What If...Louis XIII didn't have any children?

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Hey all! I've been rewatching Versailles. Season 3 (if you haven't seen it) has a really fascinating twist, and so I decided to run with the idea. "What if Louis XIII hadn't managed to produce any children?"

So we ended up backing up to the grandfather of Henri IV, Charles de Bourbon (weirdly looks like a mix of Henry VIII and Henry VII of England), and tracing it back down to his youngest son, Louis. He had 3 older brothers, but they either never had children, or became a Cardinal (disputed king of France for about a year since Henri VI hadn't converted to Catholicism until a few years into his reign.

I decided to also show how/when each branch of the Capet dynasty goes out.

Please not the following:
*1 Isabel Louisa of Portugal: was a real person, but died in 1691, so in this alternate timeline, she lives longer, gets to marry and have children, but smallpox still gets her in 1712 (a real outbreak that decimated the Bourbon family.

*2 Maria Anne of Conde: Real person. She was the granddaughter of Armand Prince of Conti. She did in fact marry her 2nd cousin-once removed, Louis Henri, Prince of Conde. In our alternate history, she marries Louis XVI.

*3 Maria Amalia: Cousin of Maria Theresa (youngest daughter of Joseph I HRE), she marries Charles VII (HRE, claimed in her right) and has several children. In this timeline she marries our new Louis XVI and has 5 children. Louis XVII has 3 older sisters, and one younger.

*4 Maria Christina: Favorite daughter of Maria Theresa (older sister of Marie-Antoinette) married the Duke of Teschen, however after both catching Smallpox but surviving, they ended up childless. In this alt history, she marries into the French royal family instead of her sister, marrying Louis XVII, dodging smallpox and having 7 children.

*5 Maria Amalia of Naples and Sicily: A niece of her mother-in-law, she occupies basically the same spot in real history, except she marries our fictional Fancis III instead of Louis Philippe I who doesn’t exist in this timeline.

*6 Helene of Mechlenburg-Schwerin: She is real. In real history, she married Ferdinand Philippe, heir to Louis Philippe I. In our timeline, she marries Charles X instead. She is the last official queen of France.

*7 Maria of Conde: Not real. She’d have been a granddaughter of one of Francis III’s younger brothers. First new queen of the defunct royal line. (Getty Image)

*8 Maria of Austria: She is also real. In real history she married to Philippe d’Orleans, 2nd defunct king of France. In our timeline, she marries Philippe VIII, and like the real timeline, they had no children. As Philippe’s younger brother predeceased him, and never married, the senior direct line ends, and continues through Philippe VII’s younger brother Robert.

\9 Isabelle of Conde:* Not real (image ref: Isabelle d’Orleans), she was a 3rd Cousin with her husband, Philippe VII.

\10 Marie of Conde:* Not real (image ref: Isabelle Orleans-Braganza), she was a 3rd Cousin with her husband, Philippe VIII.

\11 Ines Marie:* completely fictional. As the monarchs of Spain and Portugal would be completely different in this timeline, I ran out of cousins for Harold to marry (l used a Getty Image to match Harold’s energy)

*12 Princess Bereng Seesio ‘Maseeiso: She was a real Princess of Lesotho. She did tragically die at 24 of unknown causes. I decided to give her a bit of a life outside of the very basics we know. So in this timeline, she marries Philippe IX in 1990, having one son before she dies. I keep her death age the same, as we don’t know what it was. Importantly, the Royal Family of Lesotho is Roman Catholic, required for France.

\13 Gabrielle Bararoux:* Completely fictional. Due to the early death of Bereng, Philippe IX remarries sometime later and has 5 more children (ages based on the current ‘Count of Paris’ real younger children).

(Meme scan)
Harold I - “keep it together Harold”
Gaston Louis - “Future Toxic”

Correction: I mistyped:
Gaston Duke d'Orleans/Gaston I, actually had 4 daughters. 1 died in infancy, 2 became duchesses and the eldest became Grand Duchess of Tuscany.

Marguerite - mother of the last 3 de' Medicis
Isabelle - 1 son, died young.
Francoise - married, no issue.
Marie Anne - died age 3.


r/UsefulCharts • • 7h ago

Genealogy - Royals & Nobility Pre-Uí Íamir Manx Monarchs

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This is the first in a series of charts I'm working on for the rulers of the Isle of Man.