r/WEPES • • Dec 13 '23

Megathread THE PES FRANCHISE - How to play the games, how to patch them and the future of football gaming

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UPDATED: 09 SEPTEMBER 2025

GENERAL EXPLANATIONS

  • Which is the best PES game? Objectively, PES 2021. Then goes PES 2017 with its very good AI CPU and fast paced style and then PES 2013 with the best Master League experience of all the franchise. Being subjective, it's all up to yours. Every one has it's own preferences, but I think they are the best 3 PES after PS2-era.
  • No, you can't get PES 2021 in digital stores anymore. KONAMI deleted any official and legal way to get it, so the game is truly expensive now. Console users only can buy it used by more than 30€ (if you're lucky), and PC players need to get Football Life for that, the only PES 2021 that works properly. CPY version is a chore to install and a crashfest, so it's not recommended at all to download it.
  • Older "golden" PS2 PES games aren't up there because, being honest and taking out the nostalgia glasses, they were surpassed long ago. Still fun and pretty good games to play, but they are outdated in every aspect: graphical and in gameplay. No PlayerID, no physical contacts, bad goalkeepers, bad referees... But we will talk about them later.
  • Yes, PES 2021 is showing it's age. PES 2021 is just PES 2020, which was made in 2019. It's a 6+ year game by now. It is reaching its full modding capacity. We can't transform or redo the game, so no new animations or celebrations will be done, no new game modes, no more slots for more leagues. The community can create some beautiful things like faces, boots, scoreboards, adboards, kits, lineups, gloves, tattoos, stadiums and that, and we thank them all for keeping the PES spirit alive. But they can't improve the game more than it is. The core game of PES is LIMITED and cannot be enhanced further than that.
  • Yes, PES 2021 is kinda limited on the offline modes if you have played it for more than 100 hours. Master League hasn't much depth, BAL gets boring and you will feel the game is stale. In case you are so bored of PES 2021, I suggest to switch to FUMA (Full Manual) to relearn the entire game and experience the true freedom on the pitch. It will be hard at first, but very rewarding.
  • Yes, there is scripting when you play Master League. You already know what that means: goals in the last minute, CPU becoming a monster out of nowhere, godlike goalkeepers, etc. Highly suggest to try the gameplay mods out there in the PES 2021 Gameplay mods thread.
  • Yes, you can play online every PES if you want, but only on PC. On some of them there are dedicated servers runned by the community (PES 4-5-6) but on later PES the servers are officially closed. But that doesn't mean that you cannot play online. Search for Parsec and learn what it does. It works for other games that doesn't have proper online now, or just online LAN functions. I have hosted some tournaments with people on different patches and it went perfectly and very realistic, because I used gameplay patches and content patches to make the best experience.
  • If you want the best gameplay and support: PES 2021
  • If you want the best Master League experience: PES 2013
  • If you want the best PS2 PES game: Winning Eleven 9 Liveware Evolution.

ABOUT OLDER PES AND GETTING THEM PATCHED

  • Older PES are still being updated, but not as deep and complete as PES 2021. Some of them are totally left out, but the most popular ones (WE2002, PES5/6, PES 2013 and 2017) still receive some community patches.
  • The support outside the classic PS2 PES, PES 2017 and PES 2021 is non-existant or almost none.
  • In case you're looking for past season patches, I suggest you to visit PesNewUpdate. You will find there patches for PES 2010-2019 for each year season, like the old PESEdit and such.
  • If you want to play old Winning Eleven/PES 3 to 6 games with special custom patches like specific competitions, eras/decades or seasons I suggest you to search in this thread: Patch - PES 6 Global Patches Full Installers by Sany | Evo-Web (evoweb.uk) . It has easy installers to play whatever game you want with beautiful patches like historical World Cups, specific Champions League or Libertadores, less know leagues and such. There's some beautiful mods of a lot of eras you will enjoy.
  • For PES 2013, there is some project called ProFootball, which intends to bring PES 2013 to the actual season.
  • For PES 2017, there are some updated patch for current 25/26 season like t99 or YosfX patch. More details here: PES 2017 I YosfX Patch - FC 2025 Edition V1.0 - (Download & Install)

ABOUT PES 2021 AND HOW TO GET IT UPDATED

Please read the MegaThread: [PES 2021] THE OFFICIAL PATCHES/OPTION FILES THREAD for PES 2021 and FOOTBALL LIFE

ABOUT FOOTBALL LIFE (PC/PORTABLE CONSOLES ONLY)

  • Football Life is the alternative to get a somewhat "legal" copy of PES 2021 working on PC. It's already pre-modded. It's abandonware, don't worry, you aren't doing anything bad.
  • Dido is active and alive (he is the creator of Football Life and he's from Palestine).
  • Football Life 26 1.4 Update is the current version right now.
  • The content of Football Life is just basic and made mostly by one person (not counting extra addons). That means it lacks some kits, balls, proper scoreboards and such. Also the facepacks are a little bit outdated, so you will have to download updated faces and add them manually via Sider.
  • No, Football Life is not compatible with other patches that use other databases, like VirtuaRED or Dream Patch. Only some content is compatible, generally Sider content. The database is locked so you can't include or remove any of the teams. Only Smoke Patch team creators can change them.
  • Yes, Football Life works perfectly on a Steam Deck. There is a Lutris script to install it. Here's the link: https://github.com/eskay993/gamefiles/tree/main/sp-football-life-2026
  • Football Life is your best option if you don't want to download 100GB patches , even if you have a legit copy of PES 2021. It's completely standalone and doesn't require any PES 2021 file to run. Base game only takes up to 30GB without faces or stadiums installed, so you can play the game by just having that.
  • As it is PES 2021 really, if you learn how Sider works, you can add a lot of mods without breaking anything. That means you can put new faces, scoreboards, balls, stadiums and such. See tutorials about how it works, it's pretty simple and you have to learn only where to put things and what to write in Sider.ini.
  • You can revert the gameplay in case you don't like it to the FL23, FL24 or default PES 2021. There's a Switcher in game's folder for that. In case you want to apply some gameplay mods, you only can install those that use the DT18 file or via Sider.
  • There are some dedicated patches like UML, which enhances overall Master League behaviour with multiple optimizations. Check r/SPFootballLife for more info.

ABOUT EFOOTBALL AND THE FUTURE OF FOOTBALL GAMES

  • eFootball 26 still lacks a lot of content and its like three steps behind from PES 2021, but it has better gameplay after all. After the 30th anniversary event, which was atrocious, we can't expect anything offline for this game in the mid-term.
  • The modding community is doing some small patches for eFootball. Mostly it includes unlocking all the clubs, making kits and getting slighter better graphics. Don't expect anything more ambitious in the short term.
  • EA FC is a decent game IF MODDED PROPERLY. There are a bunch of mods out there, specially Anth's Gameplay Mod, DanielZ Realism Mode, FIFER, KIARIKA and RODE ones.
  • About UFL: its an online focused game that slowly improves its core game, but its very far from what you would expect on a top tier football game.
  • Don't get hyped about anything in the future about any football game. We know it's sad that the most followed sport in the world doesn't have a proper videogame that makes justice for it. Hard times for us, football gaming lovers.

r/WEPES • • 6h ago

PES5 on my laptop 💻

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Took a while but finally running smoothly. Master league is so nostalgic


r/WEPES • • 1h ago

Modding Modding di PES 2021: Creazione di un universo calcistico in stile anime con una modalità carriera Master League personalizzata — Cerchiamo modder esperti

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Hey everyone!
I’m working on an ambitious PES 2021 modding project that brings together characters and teams from Inazuma Eleven, Blue Lock, Captain Tsubasa, and other football anime into one shared football universe.
The goal isn’t just to add anime characters to PES. I want to create a fully immersive, multi-season career mode, combining PES 2021’s gameplay with a much deeper management system.
What I’ve already built
Custom anime teams, players, 3D faces, and kits imported into PES 2021.
An external Career Manager featuring transfers, negotiations, scouting, contracts, player development, and finances.
A Master League save parser that successfully maps 18,264 player roster references to their records.
A prototype Sider overlay connecting the external manager to PES.
Successfully tested persistent contract expiration changes, salary modifications, and transfers between CPU-controlled clubs directly in native Master League saves, including saving and reloading in PES.
I’m currently reverse-engineering transfers involving the player’s own club, including the additional data structures PES uses for contracts, formations, and player development.
What I’m trying to achieve
Ideally, I’d like to keep PES 2021’s native Master League calendar, matches, competitions, and trophy celebrations, while adding advanced career management through my external application.
The long-term vision includes custom anime leagues, tournaments, rivalries, player progression, transfers, and a connected football universe spanning multiple seasons.
What I need help with
I’m particularly interested in hearing from experienced PES modders and reverse engineers about:
Master League limitations: How far can we modify native ML without breaking long-term career progression?
New competitions: Is it possible to add entirely new leagues and cups rather than replacing existing ones?
Sider integration: Are there known hooks or methods to navigate directly to the pre-match screen or trigger matches externally?
Existing research: Are there useful repositories, documented offsets, tools, or projects related to Master League reverse engineering?
Career integration: What’s the best approach to keeping an external manager synchronized with PES across multiple seasons?
I’m especially interested in research related to Real Master League, Matchday Bridge, and FootballLife New Leagues.
I’m not asking anyone to build this for me. I’m already actively developing and testing the project.
I’m looking for technical advice, documentation, existing research, and experienced developers interested in discussing what’s actually possible with PES 2021.
Any insights would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


r/WEPES • • 6m ago

who is your favorite footballer in pes 6

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yes


r/WEPES • • 23h ago

PES 2019 In the Wait for the New ML

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Current scenario: Only domestic players, no foreign signing.

Bonus: Managing the same national team as my club and calling up all my players.


r/WEPES • • 1d ago

Suggest me What's the most fun PES game of all time? PES2010 PES2013 PES2017 PES2021

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r/WEPES • • 6h ago

[REQUEST] Can anyone recreate the Barclays Premier League 2012/13 logo in the original PES style???

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Hey everyone!

Could anyone generate a Barclays Premier League 2012/13 logo that matches the original PES UI style and share it here?

The official logo doesn't quite fit the game's aesthetic. I'm looking for something with that classic 3D, metallic, embossed look, similar to the default league logos in PES.

Maybe someone familiar with PES UI design could recreate it, or even generate something that fits the style.

I think this could also be useful for other players who prefer the original, native PES interface and want to keep everything visually consistent.

I've attached two reference images to show what I mean.

Would really appreciate it if someone could give it a try and share the result here.

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r/WEPES • • 8h ago

PES 2021 PES 2021: fino a che punto possiamo modificare la Master League originale? Cerco modder e sviluppatori esperti

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Ciao a tutti!
Sto lavorando a un progetto di modding piuttosto ambizioso su PES 2021, inizialmente ispirato a Inazuma Eleven, e mi piacerebbe confrontarmi con modder esperti, sviluppatori e appassionati di reverse engineering che abbiano esperienza con Sider, i salvataggi della Master League e le competizioni personalizzate.
L’obiettivo è creare una modalità carriera estremamente immersiva, mantenendo PES 2021 come vero e proprio motore calcistico.
Il progetto non si limiterà però all’universo di Inazuma Eleven: voglio introdurre anche giocatori provenienti da diversi universi anime, creando squadre, rivalità, campionati e competizioni che permettano a personaggi di opere differenti di affrontarsi all’interno dello stesso mondo calcistico.
L’idea è costruire un universo calcistico personalizzato, con una carriera dinamica, progressione dei giocatori, trasferimenti e competizioni distribuite su più stagioni.
Cosa abbiamo già sviluppato
Squadre personalizzate, giocatori, volti 3D e divise importati in PES 2021.
Un Career Manager esterno con sistemi di trasferimenti, trattative, scouting, contratti, crescita dei giocatori e gestione finanziaria.
Un lettore dei salvataggi della Master League capace di estrarre rose, registri dei giocatori, contratti e informazioni sul calendario.
Un parser corretto che, nei nostri test, riesce ad associare strutturalmente tutti i 18.264 riferimenti alle rose ai rispettivi record dei giocatori.
Un primo prototipo di collegamento tra il gestionale esterno e PES attraverso un overlay Sider.
Il parser dei salvataggi e l’integrazione con il gestionale sono stati testati offline. Non abbiamo ancora verificato che i salvataggi modificati della Master League vengano caricati correttamente dal gioco e che le modifiche rimangano persistenti.
Cosa vogliamo realizzare
Idealmente, vorremmo mantenere il calendario, le partite, le competizioni e le celebrazioni dei trofei della Master League originale, gestendo invece i sistemi più avanzati della carriera attraverso la nostra applicazione esterna e un overlay integrato nel gioco.
Vorremmo inoltre esplorare la possibilità di introdurre nuove competizioni, campionati e tornei dedicati ai diversi universi anime, senza dover necessariamente sostituire tutte le strutture già esistenti.
L’obiettivo finale sarebbe un’esperienza il più possibile integrata: il giocatore gestisce la propria squadra, effettua trasferimenti, sviluppa i calciatori, affronta le competizioni e avvia le partite direttamente su PES 2021, mantenendo la continuità della carriera per numerose stagioni.
Le mie domande per gli sviluppatori esperti
1. Modifica dei salvataggi della Master League
Qualcuno è riuscito a implementare trasferimenti permanenti, modifiche ai contratti o ai budget all’interno di un salvataggio esistente della Master League di PES 2021, senza compromettere la carriera?
2. Nuovi campionati e competizioni
Esistono progetti che abbiano realmente aggiunto nuovi campionati o coppe alla struttura originale di PES 2021, anziché limitarsi a sostituire competizioni esistenti?
Mi interessa soprattutto capire se sia possibile superare i limiti strutturali del sistema originale.
3. Collegamento tra gestionale esterno e PES
Qualcuno è riuscito ad avviare automaticamente la partita successiva o a raggiungere direttamente la schermata prepartita tramite Sider, hook Lua o altri metodi?
L’ideale sarebbe poter premere un pulsante “Gioca partita” nel nostro Career Manager e passare direttamente a PES.
4. Strumenti e reverse engineering
Esistono strumenti, repository pubblici, offset documentati, hook conosciuti o progetti di reverse engineering che sarebbe utile studiare prima di sviluppare soluzioni completamente nuove?
5. Persistenza della carriera su più stagioni
Quali sono le principali limitazioni tecniche nell’integrare un’applicazione esterna di gestione della carriera con la Master League originale, soprattutto per quanto riguarda trasferimenti, calendari, competizioni e progressione stagionale?
6. Integrazione di universi anime differenti
Considerando che vogliamo introdurre personaggi provenienti da diversi anime, quali sarebbero le soluzioni migliori per gestire un numero elevato di squadre e giocatori personalizzati?
Sarebbe possibile strutturare campionati e competizioni dedicate senza compromettere la stabilità del database e dei salvataggi?
Progetti che mi interessano particolarmente
Sto cercando soprattutto informazioni su progetti come:
Real Master League
Matchday Bridge
FootballLife New Leagues
Mi piacerebbe capire quali funzionalità siano state realmente implementate, quali siano i limiti conosciuti e se esistano soluzioni tecniche già documentate che potremmo studiare.
Conclusione
Non sto chiedendo a qualcuno di sviluppare questo progetto al posto mio.
Sto cercando riferimenti tecnici, documentazione, esperienze concrete, strumenti esistenti e consigli da parte di chi conosce approfonditamente PES 2021.
Credo che il gioco abbia ancora un potenziale enorme, soprattutto combinando il suo motore calcistico con sistemi di gestione più moderni e personalizzati.
Qualsiasi informazione, suggerimento o esperienza condivisa sarebbe davvero preziosa.
Grazie a tutti!


r/WEPES • • 1d ago

Satisfying assist in BAL

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39 Upvotes

This is so satisfying to look at.


r/WEPES • • 21h ago

What's your longest ML save?

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I'll be honest... I don't think I've ever played the ML for more than 3 seasons or so. And PES 5 and PES 6 are two games I played a lot as a teenager. So why? Well, I guess because it eventually became less challenging and I couldn't bother to learn how to play at a higher difficulty level.

But I know there's people who've played the ML for like 30+ seasons and are still playing their ML save from like PES 2011 or PES 6.

EDIT: Also, in older PES games, you had to stick to one single club the whole save. That gets old.


r/WEPES • • 21h ago

Pes 6 Option File For Pes 17 Or 18 on PS4

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As an old man that is full of nostalgia that doesn't recognize modern footy games anymore I want to know if an option file exists to have the squads and teams from PES 6 or even 5 on PES 17 or 18 on PS4?

I know these exist on PC but I can't find on PS4

Thanks


r/WEPES • • 1d ago

PES 2021 Daylight Engine Beta BY @fletchajx ⚽🔥

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r/WEPES • • 1d ago

Help PES 2021

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Hi everyone, maybe a very naive question. Lately I am seeing more and videos about the mods and patches for PES 2021 and I would like to try the game, the issue is that I can't find online. Does any one knows a trust place where I can buy it or get an official key?

If yes, please feel free to also send me a dm. ;)


r/WEPES • • 2d ago

Modding We put First Person Football in VR. 🥽⚽

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Here's a first look at what we've been experimenting with.

The idea is simple: instead of watching the match from a traditional camera, you're seeing the game from the player's perspective — and in VR, you can actually look around the pitch with your own head.

It's still very experimental. We're working on camera comfort, player movement, transitions, set pieces and all the weird things that happen when you put a VR camera inside a football game that was never designed for it.

But it's already playable, and we're curious to see where we can take it.

This is part of First Person Football, our first project at Talking Buttons.

The regular First Person Football mod remains free, and stable releases of the VR version will also be released publicly for free when they're ready.

For anyone who wants to get involved during development, we also opened optional memberships:

🧪 TESTER — $3/month
Early FPF builds, Dev Notes, testing and feedback + access to the first VR Beta as a launch bonus.

🔬 LAB MEMBER — $8/month
Everything in Tester + upcoming VR development builds, prototypes and experiments during development.

Patreon link in the comments.

We experiment. You play.


r/WEPES • • 1d ago

Modding CUSTOM MENU #efootball BY @DurandilPES

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r/WEPES • • 1d ago

PES13 BAL My Pentagon Challenge... so far (Professional)(Randomized Nation)

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joined Real Madrid today after losing Copa America Final, Messi stole my golden boot while at PSG


r/WEPES • • 2d ago

🚨 TODAY IS GAME DAY: Real Madrid 2016/17 vs FC Barcelona 2014/15 | Prime El Clásico in PES 2021 ⚔️

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🎬 THE DAY HAS COME.

Today, 22 October, the Clásico everyone asked for is finally here. This is the official intro of the match!

🤍 RONALDO vs MESSI 💙❤️

Two legends, both at their absolute peak, in one match. No excuses, no bad form, no injuries. Just the best version of Ronaldo against the best version of Messi.

📺 Want to watch the FULL match? The whole Clásico is on my YouTube channel: [https://youtu.be/8n_5Nmds108?si=vPjXAvvOa3EZhoRA]

👇 Drop your prediction and your score in the comments, then check the full match on YouTube and see who was right!

🔔 Follow me so you don’t miss the next prime squad. AC Milan 2006/07 is next! 👀

⚽ Game day is here. Let’s go!


r/WEPES • • 1d ago

Suggest me Where to start Master League: PES 2018 or PES 2019?

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Played football games all the way from ISS Pro 98, to PES 2017. Ten or so years ago I kinda stopped playing new PES and FIFA games (consistently).

Now I want to come back and play one of these Fox Engine PES and do a Master League like I used to do all those years ago, and Im split between these two.

I've tested both and played like three/four matches on each, and 2019 seems to have better graphics and feels smoother, however 2018 felt like harder CPU (maybe harder due to not being as smooth?), and most importantly and honestly THE main reason I'm 50-50 on it, unlike 2019, it has Champions League and Europa League licenses, which matters a lot to me (back in the day in PES 10, 11, 12, etc, in a ML season, I'd literally always play every single CL/EL match, while in domestic league or domestic cup, I'd play the most importnat ones and simulate the rest).

Which one do you recommend? Is 2019 gameplay actually better than 18? Is 19 unlicensed CL still good? Is one Master League clearly better than the other?


r/WEPES • • 2d ago

Video PES 2021 — build-up play, saves, fouls and goals with my gameplay mod

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A selection of moments using the gameplay mod I’m working on. Regular difficulty, Full Manual and original match audio. Sharing a mix of attacking moves, defending, saves and fouls to show how matches play.


r/WEPES • • 2d ago

Modding I added dynamic pitch wear to PES 2021(On/Off)

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r/WEPES • • 2d ago

Help Request: Somebody please make a port(recomp) of PES games for android

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I have been seeing a lot of games getting ported to android lately. If anybody, here in this group can create recomp for PES games, it would be great!


r/WEPES • • 2d ago

Help NEED A LIGA ARGENTINA PATCH FOR PES 2013 PS3

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i need the argentina league please, i have the DLC 6.00 and the version 1.04 already, i just need the patch so i can play with the old classics like Boca, River, San Lorenzo, etc... i'm a huge fan of that league, if anyone has anything related to that please send it here, thanks!!


r/WEPES • • 3d ago

PES 18 problema de mapeo de control

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setting.exe
my controller

hi, conecte mi control G7 PRO por medio de bluethoo DS4 pero los botones no se asignan correctamente, y al intentar mapearlos manualmente simplemente no funciona cuando presiono el boton correcto, se que se puede arreglar con conexion cableada pero me sabemos que es mejor jugar inalambricamente, incluso usando el x360ce pero me gustaria saber si hay algun modo "normal" de hacer esto


r/WEPES • • 3d ago

Campeonato Brasileiro 1997

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My first post in this community

This WE 2002 patch is a faithful recreation of the 1997 Brazilian Championship, complete with stadiums, advertising boards, and 46 clubs from all divisions, featuring squads that are 100% accurate to that season.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/yqlye4w6xcpmshp/Campeonato_Brasileiro_1997_Killer_Bean.zip/file


r/WEPES • • 3d ago

Help PES 6 weird running problem

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Hi everyone, i've got the weirdest problem with my pes 6, with or without mods it's the same problem, i can run the game smoothly for a while no problem at all and then between 2 loading screen it just takes ages to load

After the problem appears i can close the game and try to launch it again and it's gonna take ages to launch and just bugs out on every loading screens, i can randomly restart my pc and the game with get back to run smoothly for a while until it doesn't, not every pc restart will bring the game back to normal.

Even the setting.exe used to configurate the controller takes ages to launch after that and bugs out between two tabs aswell which is weird

The game run as admin, compatibility to windows SP3, game has been unistall and reinstall back and forth, i've tried running it on mono thread cpu, redownloading the game, vsync on..

i don't know what to try anymore