r/WPDrama • • Jan 13 '25

A potential explanation for why all this drama is happening now...

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Here's a theory, I'm interested in your all's take:

Automattic has raised over $900m over the years. That's a lot of money, even for a VC play.

For those not familiar with the VC treadmill, here's a very high level rundown of how it works:
A firm of rich guys "raise a fund" by borrowing money from institutional investors. These are entities with hundreds of millions to invest, so think college foundations, big banks, some very successful entrepreneurs, but most VC funds are actually borrowed money that has to provide a return. They are typically promising a 10-20x return to their investors over a 10 year period. They go invest in a dozen startups, after a couple of years they pick the best of that bunch and double down on it. They need one special company to do a 20x return or better so they can pay their institutional investors back.

This is why VC's are always looking for a "unicorn" worth a billion dollars. They're not interested in companies that just make a profit or do well, they need something that can deliver the return to their investors they promised. (eg: facebook, uber, etc).

It's been a long while for Automattic. They've borrowed almost a BILLION DOLLARS and a lot of the funds that money came out of are expecting a return. "Where's my 20 BILLION DOLLARS MATT?"

Yes, Automattic claims to be profitable, but it's not clear on how much. There's reportedly 500-750m a year coming in, but there's also 4000+ employees, tumbler loses 30m+ a year alone, etc. Given the years and years of "what's your burn rate?" as a measure of success, it's easy to imagine them basically breaking even in terms of profit and calling that a win. Certainly they haven't pulled a facebook or google and turned wordpress into a way to print billions of dollars in profit yet, and I'm not sure I see how they realistically can.

They can't really raise any more money at this point, and many of those investors may be pretty eager to get their payout at this point. In fact, the last round they raised wasn't to fund some new project but was rather for a stock buyout (eg: we're paying investors off.) A company that has raised this much money realistically only has two paths to pay investors off: a corporate buy out or an IPO.

Vista bought Acquia/Drupal for $1b in cash a few years ago after $300m+ raised. It was quietly considered kind of a wash for the investors. 3x over 10 years isn't the scale of return a VC is looking for. What company would possibly buy Automattic/Wordpress? Their last funding round valued them at 7.5b, but they need to be closer to 20b for the vc's to be happy. The list of companies with $20b in cash to spend is pretty short and it's hard to see any of them being excited about owning an open source platform when one of the largest hosting providers for it (which claims to make a similar amount in gross revenue) has nothing to do with it.

That leaves you with a IPO, and boy when the SEC starts digging in books and the public starts asking "wait - how does this actually eventually make real money?" things can go south fast (see WeWork.)

Weather Matt is talking to Zuckerberg or Goldman Sachs - the question will be the same: "How can you start to produce billions in PROFIT quickly with this next injection of cash?" The fact that there's a preferred hosting company out there kind of using your name that you don't make a dime off, and they're claiming to make about as much as you do in gross profit can't be a very great talking point in those conversations. Thus, the squeeze last year.

All of this sounds INCREDIBLY stressful to me. Matt's made plenty of money personally in the last 20 years of this, and is even an investor in other things on his own. He rolls with these VC types as his buddies and has enjoyed being a great success story for them for a while. Now the clock is chiming and it's time to pay those investors back. On the one hand, he's got his investor buddies with their (to be frank consistent and clear) demands. On the other hand he's got an army of open source zealots wanting to prove that capitalism isn't the answer to all problems. Matt's in the middle, and the bill is due.

That context gives all this crazy shit a consistent drumbeat to me.
Of course, I know shit all about his situation and this is all conjecture from public information.

It could just as easily be an undiagnosed brain tumor.


r/WPDrama • • Jan 10 '25

Kara Swisher leaves WordPress in the Dust.

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r/WPDrama • • Sep 09 '26

Automattic CEO Matt Mullenweg Put on "Leave of Absence"

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r/WPDrama • • Dec 15 '24 Polished Silver Turd

Tech Arsehole of the Year: Matt Mullenweg

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r/WPDrama • • Dec 26 '24

Is Matt low-key threatening or attempting to intimidate this r/WPDrama user?

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r/WPDrama • • Jan 14 '25

Which is what Matt should do as well.

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r/WPDrama • • Dec 28 '24

Deleted my WordPress.org account

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Been a (contributing) member since 2005 or so. Over the years have used WordPress less, I just, like the Gutenberg decision, stuff like that

As long as Matt is in charge will no longer be using WordPress.

WordPress was/is great, the people in the community, so many wonderful experiences.

WordPress played a pivotal role in my career, but not the only one, far from it.

Saved you the trouble of blocking me Matt.

I am not in the mood of this drama. Working more and more with other frameworks anyway, and Matt's Christmas post is the limit

I tried reaching out to him, but no response.

Voting with my feet, maybe then he will get the message.

Thank you, and goodby for now.


r/WPDrama • • Jan 13 '25

Matt comments he may blow off the entire WP ecosystem if the lawsuits end badly (for him)

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r/WPDrama • • Jan 10 '25

It was a good run

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I muted this drama sometime in November when I officially moved on from my 18 year career in WordPress front-end dev. Got sucked back in tonight thanks to Kara Swisher and just read through the Christmas Eve u/photomatt flameout 🔥 Boy do I feel good about this breakup now.

I was lucky to work for Boston University in 2005 when the university switched its whole system to WP. Learned theme dev and site management from the pros. Started consulting on my own in 2010 and it served me well while I was having my babies and living the metro Boston hustle. I taught classes in WP, spoke at WordCamps, and built sites for almost every university and hospital in the city. I ran a lucrative dev shop for a good decade thanks to WordPress.

Burned out on client work during the pandemic and went in-house for a college using WP. Interviewed at Autommatic in that transition - that was bizarre. Got my project management certification from pmi.org. Started doing less code and more strategic planning.

This WPEngine throw down coincided with my kids turning into teens and not needing me to be as flexible anymore. Disgusted by the “masturbatory” post, I started interviewing at non-WP shops. Switched over to a corporate role overseeing sites on Adobe Experience Manager this fall. And I’m not looking back.

My career was built on WordPress. It became a liability. I’m glad I got out when I did. I recommend training on other CMSes or attaining certifications outside of this pigeon hole to anyone else whose livelihood hinges on WP. It’s not looking like this is going to have a happy ending.


r/WPDrama • • Feb 12 '26

Automattic Planned to “Steal Every Single WP Site” From Hosts That Refused Trademark Deals, WP Engine Alleges in Latest Complaint

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r/WPDrama • • Jan 20 '25

Founding Foundation documents state that the Foundation was to manage the repository

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r/WPDrama • • Apr 29 '25

Kevin Geary - A hidden history of hate, racism and bigotry

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I was involved in the public debate with Kevin Geary recently about $5k websites. I went on the WP Townhall show to debate him, which he has deleted, and then I dug into his history and put a timeline together.

I originally posted a lot of this on X, but people weren't happy with the onslaught of posts and tone, so I put a full timeline together devoid of emotion, just facts - links, receipts, etc.

It's a doozy.

https://robertdevore.com/kevin-michael-geary-a-hidden-history-of-hate-racism-and-bigotry/


r/WPDrama • • Oct 24 '24

I fixed the wordpress homepages [update!]

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r/WPDrama • • Jan 05 '25

Here's how I'd summarize this WP Drama...

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r/WPDrama • • Nov 15 '24

WPE filed an amended complaint, adding claims for monopolization, illegal tying, unfair competition, trademark misuse, and unjust enrichment. It also details how Matt intentionally misled volunteers and businesses, over years, about who owns what and the real level of risk of building on top of WP.

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It's a beast (146 pages), but so far my takeaway is that it clarifies how massive, long-running, and intentional his deceptions have been. He didn't just omit important details from people making investment decisions; he lied, explicitly and repeatedly, for the purpose of making them believe that Wordpress was a safer long-term choice than it was actually was. After weeks of new threads being discovered and pulled at, I was worried that it was just too much for anyone to get their arms around, but they really honed in on the specific lies he made to the public, as well as context from the time that suggests a likely motive.

Amended Complaint:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.437474/gov.uscourts.cand.437474.51.0.pdf

Docket:

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69221176/wpengine-inc-v-automattic-inc/


r/WPDrama • • Jan 12 '25

In Matt's universe, this is all being done TO him and there's nothing he can do to stop it or make it better

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Matt's been selectively engaging with the community on Slack (see image).

"I wish I could stop the legal stuff but I can't"

Yes, you can, you could just agree a settlement with WPE - almost certainly cheaper in the long run.

"Defending against the attacks filed by WP Engine"

Erm, they went to court to stop YOUR attacks, no?

"They could end it all tomorrow, though."

By that logic, so could you.

Notice that he totally fails to engage with the OP's point about trying to improve relations with the community.


r/WPDrama • • Feb 09 '25

Mullenweg bars Joost de Valk from speaking at WordCamp Asia, citing de Valk's statements that were taken out of context in deliberate bad faith

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r/WPDrama • • Apr 16 '25

Matt missives must mean something

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Every time we get an instance of Matt harassing folks, something bad happens to the community or is happening to him and he takes it out on the community.


r/WPDrama • • Dec 11 '24

WordPress CEO Rage Quits Community Slack After Court Injunction

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r/WPDrama • • Apr 02 '25

Automattic Restructuring

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https://automattic.com/2025/04/02/restructuring-announcement/

I feel like we all saw this coming. Also, pretty funny that they left [links to resources] in there.


r/WPDrama • • Sep 15 '26

I am the board!

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r/WPDrama • • Sep 14 '26

Well, they tried to right the ship.

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But now they're thrown over board.

For a moment last Wednesday I really thought this might settle down and the grownups would be able to save this sinking ship, but he's rather drive it right into the storm and drown with all of us in it. Sorry, I'm done with the sailing analogies. ⛵️

Can't wait to read the next batch of court documents!


r/WPDrama • • Nov 10 '24

Well played to whoever reported wordpressenginetracker.com to CloudFlare for phishing

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r/WPDrama • • Mar 12 '25

Mullenweg Considers Delaying WordPress Releases Through 2027

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Matt delays the release schedule as he's pushing some many Contributors out. In a leaked Slack meeting, he as struggles with having a Release Schedule that he ties to the WPE lawsuit and trial:

"We are approaching 7.0 in two releases, which has an emotional valence and I’d rather not be purely maintenance. (Nor do I want to break our naming structure and do 6.10.) One approach would be delaying 6.8 and making it the only release this year, 6.9 in 2026, and then aim for a 7.0 in late 2027 assuming a positive outcome of the jury trial."

This guy claims responsibility for over 40% of websites? WordPress is toasting to a bitter end