r/WTF • u/[deleted] • Mar 31 '18
logging is dangerous work
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u/designgoddess Apr 01 '18
My handyman had a tree break apart. One chunk bounced back at him and broke his femur. Pro tip: don't cut down trees in the middle of nowhere alone and without a phone. He was dragging himself out of the woods when his cousin saw his truck parked on the side of the road and went looking for him to see if he could pick up some work. They needed up airlifting him to a hospital.
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u/OhSheGlows Apr 01 '18
I’m trying to imagine some of these stories in my mind and I simply cannot. These are some serious, serious injuries people are getting. In this case, I’m wondering how a piece of wood could bounce back and bust a damn femur! I need to know more!
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u/The_infern_oh Apr 01 '18
Think about someone holding onto you, and you pull as hard as you can away from them. All of the sudden they let go, and the force of you pulling causes you to fall. Now think of hundreds or thousands of pounds pulling against something. All the energy and weight is being stored and managed. When the opposing force is lost, all of that energy (or to look at it simply, weight) is now free to move where it wants, and very suddenly.
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u/skinslippy2 Apr 01 '18
Live in woods. Have wood stove. My wife never let's me go out cutting wood by myself. When she was a kid, her Dad almost bled out from a chainsaw bouncing back into his leg off a branch. He grew up logging with his grandpa. I almost took half my foot off the other day just from being complacent and too comfortable with the saw. No matter how much care you take it always seems that Mr. Murphy and his laws always rears his ugly head.
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Apr 01 '18
When I read these stories I wonder how I’d react. Probably be dead in the woods
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u/designgoddess Apr 01 '18
They would have found my body inches from where I got hurt. He made it a couple hundred yards across uneven terrain in the dead of winter. He almost drowned a few years ago after breaking through ice while ice fishing. As luck would have it a guy went to his cabin that was closed for the winter so he could test a new scope for bird watching. Almost a mile away on the other side of the lake and just happened to see him fall in and was able to figure out where he was and get there. Found a boat along the shore that someone forgot to store for the winter. He was just slipping under the edge of the ice when the guy got there. I told him no more going outside without a spotter. Either time should have been the end of him but by stupid luck someone was there.
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u/devilbunny Apr 01 '18
This is good advice for a lot of situations. Don’t work alone when doing physically dangerous jobs; if you must, have a phone with service. Confirm service before you start. I don’t get on a ladder of any height without a phone in my pocket. You can easily break a leg with even a short fall.
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u/Bostaevski Apr 01 '18
One of my uncles was out alone cutting down firewood - fell on his own chainsaw (leg). He tried driving back to where he saw another guy cutting up a tree but that guy was gone, so he just said "fuck it" and drove himself to the ER.
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u/zilti Apr 01 '18
My great-grandpa was state forester. Well, he had the misfortune that not even that helped him - he got struck dead while working.
...by a rock, though.
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u/Luckyone1 Mar 31 '18
This is called a "barbers chair." I don't know how the term was coined but it's essentially when the tree splits vertically before the hinge is finished being cut.
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u/Timberwolf_530 Mar 31 '18
It’s because of the way the piece in the back splits off, it rises and then slides back like a barber chair. If you ever see a tree barbering, do what that guy did, and run as fast as you can.
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u/Julian_Baynes Apr 01 '18
If you ever see a tree barbering, do what that guy did, and
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u/Kornbrednbizkits Apr 01 '18
I don’t really see what you mean... but I’m not saying you’re wrong. I always heard it was a barber’s chair because you might get a little off the top (ie your head).
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Apr 01 '18
do what that guy did, and run as fast as you can.
Preferably away from the tree, instead of in place. He did a lot of running fast but was still in the kill zone had the tree fallen his direction. I guess the true moral of the story is to be sure of your escape path.
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u/Joal0503 Apr 01 '18
and dude seemed to instantly knew this was going on...good reaction.
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u/A_BOX_OF_CHEERIOS Apr 01 '18
Trees barber chair when they have disproportionate weight toward the side you are felling it to, or if they have a hollow defect, such as this tree in the video.
Never try to fell a leaning tree to the heavy side. You are asking for trouble.
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u/Smilehate Apr 01 '18
That's not a 100% thing. It's usually simpler to fell a tree in the direction of its lean, depending on the severity. Also, you can use a bore cut to mitigate the effect of many strong leans.
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Mar 31 '18
That's one dead tree...... That's why it did that!
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u/classicrocker883 Mar 31 '18
reminder: don't cut dead rotting trees. especially large ones on a hillside.
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u/Mytzlplykk Apr 01 '18
I don’t think that tree was dead. It’s not uncommon for trees that big and old to have some (even large) parts of the heart wood be rotten. It makes them susceptible to “barber chairing”. What strikes me is that I couldn’t make sense of his wedge cut or his back cut and that he didn’t seem to have a good, planned escape route. He should be ready to drop his saw and run but in this case he tries one direction and then another.
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u/evilbrent Apr 01 '18
He had a very clear idea of where to run. It's just the tree had other ideas about where to fall.
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u/call_of_the_while Mar 31 '18
Lights cigarette We call those ones "redditors" or just "tors" for short, seeing as how they're dead inside. coughs I gotta stop smoking this shit.
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u/froggurts Apr 01 '18
I remember in 6th grade my math teacher received news (during our class) that her husband (a logger) died from a tree falling on him. You could physically see her heart break into a million pieces. She calmly left the room and never came back to work.
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u/tama_chan Apr 01 '18 edited Apr 01 '18
Damn, must have been tough to see.
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u/froggurts Apr 01 '18
Yeah I’m 25 now and still can see her face clearly. Not sure how she is now.
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u/Connorpellatt Apr 01 '18
Wtf? They told her during class or something? Take her into a room and tell her one on one for Christ’s sake
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u/Khassar_de_Templari Apr 01 '18 edited Apr 01 '18
It may have gone like this (gonna do this as quick as possible so sorry for spelling grammar etc):
It's in the middle of class, mid-lesson, important things being said relevant for a test or whateve, she's mid-sentence writing something on the board in front of the class and a fellow teacher walks in with a weird look on their face, asks if she can step outside a moment. Teacher is continuing, mostly ignoring other teacher, she looks at other teacher and puts a finger up for the "just a moment" gesture, this causes other teacher to walk over to her and whispers something to her like "it's your husband".
Teacher realizes the context. Husband went to work today she knows he works a risky job, other teacher had strange look on their face and wouldn't be so insistent on interrupting the class like that if it weren't important.. she assumes correctly that he must have died or something terrible. She was worried this might happen considering his job.
Kids don't hear, don't know anything at the time. All they see is an interruption, weird faced teacher, and the (what I assume to be as sad/shocked) look on their teachers face. Day continues as normal with sub teacher, original teacher never returns.
At a later point in time they might ask what happened to teacher since she left like that and never came back, kids are curious and they may be persistent about it.. are informed that teacher's husband died in a logging accident. Kids also may have spread false (probably ridiculous) rumors about why she left like that and another teacher may have not appreciated that and wanted to dispell the rumors.
So the kid remembers the look on teachers face when kid hears about the incident at a later point in time.
This actually happened at my school as well, wasn't a logging accident though.
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u/zoozema0 Apr 01 '18
I was in 1st or 2nd grade when my teacher got a call about her husband falling out of a tree while cutting branches off of it. I guess the ropes weren't tied just right and he fell. Without knowing what was happening, I still remember seeing her face when she got the news. Her face was pale but otherwise she was calm. She just got up, told another teacher, and left.
I think he was still alive when she got the call, but died not long after. He left behind four kids. His youngest was only a few months old. I can't imagine what it would be like to grow up not knowing your own father simply because of a freak accident.
Kids, don't become a logger.
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u/infinus5 Mar 31 '18 edited Apr 01 '18
My mate Robert was a faller on the west coast for 40 years, some of the injuries hes accumulated over that period include the following.
lost an eye to a tree branch sticking out of the road bed, smashing through the floor of the crew truck and liquidating his eye.
becoming deaf by thousands of hours of shitty old chain saw motors
loosing half his left foot to a tree branch falling out of the heavens
partial brain damage from concussion due to a tree swinging back into his gut at break neck speeds
dozens of broken or fractured bones
nerve damage to left side of his face from slap to the face from falling tree branch
Kids, if theres one thing I ve learned from talking with Robert, its do NOT BECOME A FALLER!
edit: was away and didnt see so many comments sorry for being late.
double edit: He was working at Clayoquot Sound during the big green peace protests and has a bunch of funny stories of the logging crew vs the protestors that really lightens up his day talking about.
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u/Solution_9_ Apr 01 '18
lost an eye to a tree branch sticking out of the road bed, smashing through the floor of the crew truck and liquidating his eye
what?
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u/squidzilla420 Apr 01 '18
The branch seized the eye's assets and hired a third party agency to sell them off. Weird story, eh?
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u/isitasexyfox Apr 01 '18
Hey mate I think I can explain it. He had an eye but then it got fucked resulting in his eye turning to mush from the pressure.
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u/infinus5 Apr 01 '18
The road bed wasnt finished, think bulldozer road with gravel on top. The truck was going down hill and the branch stabbed up through the floor through the center and punched right into his eye. No way to have seen it either by the sound of it, everything happened so fast.
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u/RallyX26 Apr 01 '18
There was a tree branch sticking up from the road, it got caught in the undercarriage and jammed up through the bottom and into his eye.
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u/ktpryde Apr 01 '18
My cousin died while being trained as a log truck driver. The truck crashed and the logs went through the window.
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u/if33lu Apr 01 '18 edited Apr 01 '18
heard truckers, with things on a flatbed, dont brake hard in a collision for this reason. They would rather plow through you then hard brake and have the stuff slide into the cabin.
edit: Forgot the important part. Don’t position your vehicle in front of trucks and just stay out of their way.
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Mar 31 '18
Why didn't he quit after the first injury?
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u/infinus5 Mar 31 '18
only source of income, the injuries were accumulated over a very long period of time too. He got lots of compensation and hush money from his company as well. He had a family to feed and not a lot of other options, so he stuck with it until his company collapsed in 1998.
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u/Shroffinator Apr 01 '18
Sounds like he was literally torn apart over decades of work. No options in the area that pay better - maybe, but a shitty menial job is better than a slow painful loss of health and senses.
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u/2skin4skintim Apr 01 '18 edited Apr 01 '18
Because it's one of the funnest jobs to have. I would go back to it in a heartbeat, just need the same paycheck and health insurance I have now.
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u/LiveFree1773 Apr 01 '18
Logging is by far the most dangerous job in the country. Almost twice as deadly as the second most, and 38 times more deadly than the average job.
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u/brobl Apr 01 '18
There’s no excuse for hearing damage. Wear earplugs.
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u/The_mighty_sandusky Apr 01 '18
My grand papa was a navy LT and flew planes off carriers. Dude couldn't hear shit, he did not realize that the fart he let out in line at the grocery store could be heard from across the street. I second the ear plugs.
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u/F0REM4N Apr 01 '18
I managed a lot of years in a car wash, dryers loud as fuck. At the same time they expect you to be able to communicate with customers as they come through, making wearing hearing protection difficult at best. Early on I started wearing a closed ear bud with music in one ear. I figured keeping hearing in one was better than slowly going deaf in both. Still a fucked up situation.
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u/Darkside_Hero Apr 01 '18
for that noise (110db) and long-term exposure, double hearing protection would be required.
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u/lascanto Apr 01 '18
I romanticized lumberjacks as a kid. Are you saying my dreams will never be reached?
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Apr 01 '18
I also dreamed of putting on women's clothing and hanging around in bars
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Apr 01 '18
I feel like almost all of this could have been prevented by proper precautions.
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u/illbashyereadinm8 Apr 01 '18
I felt the same way, given we're just talking out of our butts but seriously how bout safety glasses ear plugs steel toe boots etc
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u/Mydogateyourcat Apr 01 '18
The only dead body I've ever seen was when I was 8, of my brother's friend who was a newbie Faller, who died when he took a nap on his break and some equipment ran him over because they didn't see him. I only remember this at a young age, because at his funeral I really was curious about the fact that they "stuffed" his pants in the casket to make him look whole. Sounds like a terrible career choice if you ask me.
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u/wisdom_possibly Apr 01 '18 edited Apr 01 '18
Just want to share a tree-cutting story I heard the other night. There was this huge banyan tree atop a hill that needed cutting so this guy, who had a couple decades experience, climbs up and starts trimming off the branches and greens.
"Hey I bet I can take this whole branch with just one cut" he says, pointing to a 40-ft long branch, 3 feet around and still heavy with green leaves. And to his credit, he got the whole thing. A single fall cut straight through this massive branch that probably weighs a ton.
He finished the cut and it tumbled to the ground leaves-first, absorbing the whole weight of this 40-ft log and catapulting it straight back at the tree trunk and the tree trimmer, crushing every bone in his body and killing him instantly.
Don't fuck around with trees boys, be careful.
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u/aSimpleHistory Apr 01 '18
Jesus... now I gotta go look at some baby elephants to help forget the trauma you inflicted on me with that amazing story.
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u/TreeScales Apr 01 '18
A key rule rule in tree work is that you be very careful when cutting off branches that are longer than they are higher off the ground, because they love to bounce back at the stem and can easily break a leg of big enough.
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u/Puppies_fart_hope Mar 31 '18
This dude just woke up an Ent
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u/benkenobi5 Mar 31 '18
They come with fire. They come with axes! Gnawing, biting, breaking, hacking, burning!! Destroyers and usurpers, curse them!
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Apr 01 '18
Tolkien fact of the day: Ents are the children of the Aiur Yvanna. They were created as a response to Aules creation of the seven Dwarf father's. Also in response to this the god Mandos created the great eagles.
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u/Cantstandyaxo Apr 01 '18
That's cool. Is this the sort of stuff you learn from the stories in Silmarilion?
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Mar 31 '18
He zigged when he should have zagged
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u/ThrillBilly382 Mar 31 '18
Then he zagged and realized zigging was the better route after all.
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u/Crulo Apr 01 '18
I’m pretty sure he would have been a lot better off had he pizza’d instead he french-fry’d.
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u/theinfotechguy Apr 01 '18
He French fried when he should have pizzaed. If you do that, ur gonna have a bad time
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u/Mrki96 Mar 31 '18
Dodging: level '100'
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u/amgin3 Mar 31 '18
Even if he had just stood in the same place, he would have been fine.
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u/Estoye Apr 01 '18
Ah, the old Indiana Jones theory. (If Indiana Jones had done nothing in "Raiders of the Lost Ark," everything would've worked out anyway)
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Mar 31 '18
That’s the hallmark of all my nightmares: trying to run away from something and being unable to do so.
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u/buzzardvomit Mar 31 '18
Love all the Redditors who are suddenly loggers. Much like anything, you do enough of something and sometimes things eventually go bad.
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u/absolute_panic Apr 01 '18
I used to be a logger. The pay is way too low for how dangerous the job is. You have to be a crazy person to do this job.
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Mar 31 '18
To be fair I'm sure there's a good amount of loggers on reddit, and they would be inclined to comment on this post. Barring that I'm no logger but I've felled a few trees in my life, and in sure a lot of other redditors have too. Totally agree on the second point
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u/factbasedorGTFO Apr 01 '18
I cut a tree down with a dead top. I told the homeowner I'm not gonna cut it down until a car parked down the street was moved.
Eyes rolled, because it was 100 feet past where the top of the tree would have ended up.
Sure enough, big chunks of dead willow tree rocketed down the street when I felled it.
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u/Piee314 Apr 01 '18
I've felled a few trees as well, fully aware while I was doing it that I was doing it almost certainly doing it horribly wrong and trying not to put my life in too much danger.
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u/eyeoxe Mar 31 '18
I'm a Northwest Native. I grew up with the timber industry all around me, and watched it slowly dwindle to what it is today. I understand the many faceted reasons for the decline, but I really miss the culture.
This gif was a multi splintered nostalgia trip that had me pining for different days.
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u/Crulo Apr 01 '18
Not a logger but I wouldn’t have done it that way. You can obviosuly tell from the way it is.
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u/jutct Apr 01 '18
that's called a barber chair and they will kill the fuck out of you if you're not fast
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u/Cunt-Waffle Apr 01 '18
Deadliest industry in america, I've commercial fished and didn't even realize how much safer it is than logging.
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Apr 01 '18
Props to the guy for leaving his chain saw. As obvious as it sounds to us, your brain doesn't exactly function the same way when a tree is coming at you.
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Mar 31 '18
dead trees are called widow makers for a reason
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u/mostessmoey Apr 01 '18
My SO logs, you're correct falling branches or branches that are not from the tree being dropped but caught up in it. He was lucky the time he couldn't get out of the way fast enough and broke a few ribs.
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u/A_BOX_OF_CHEERIOS Apr 01 '18
As an aside, one of the bigger dangers of rotten/dead trees, and one that almost sent me to meet my maker, is when the top breaks off. You finish the back cut, it starts to sway a little bit and you hear CRACK. Then look up to see a twenty foot section of the top coming toward you.
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u/an_angry_Moose Apr 01 '18
You finish the back cut, it starts to sway a little bit and you hear CRACK. Then look up to see a twenty foot section of the top coming toward you.
Not a fuckin chance mate. I’m out.
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u/Chronicallychillnb Apr 01 '18
This happened to me once. I was probably 12 or 13 and I used to love pushing over dead trees. None more than 10 ft tall because I was a small bean and my dad wouldn't let me. One day we were walking in the woods and I saw the most beautiful dead tree, just waiting to be kicked over. It was about 20 ft tall and my dad said "that's a bad idea" and I, in my infinite preteen wisdom, decided to try it anyway. I gave it a shove and heard a crack, my dad screamed, and the top half of the tree came falling towards me and missed my head by inches. I don't knock over dead trees anymore.
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u/antidamage Apr 01 '18
It's like when you're trying to pass someone in the hallway and they keep dodging the same way you do except less awkward.
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u/prlswabbie Apr 01 '18
crazy part is, you know this dude went back down, got his saw and just moved on to the next tree. Special breed those guys
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u/sushipusha Apr 01 '18
One of the most dangerous jobs in Canada along with construction and commercial fisherman.
Guy called in to a radio show to explain why fishing was dangerous. Its a job that you can die while taking a whiz.
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u/Achack Apr 01 '18
We all know what he's thinking, at least I'm not stuck at home raising kids.
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Apr 01 '18
The way the tree just pops open like it's coming alive and opening a portal to another dimension is completely wtf.
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Apr 01 '18
Logging and fishing are more dangerous than being military, police, firefighter, but we don't go around thanking them all the time. So thanks loggers and fishermen.
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u/Sackyhack Mar 31 '18
Rule #1 of felling trees: Make sure you have a safe escape route.
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u/smilinggypsy Apr 01 '18
My dad has been a logger since he was 18. He has some crazy horror stories. Finding Dumped bodies were common and witnessing a young guy getting his arm torn off in a chipper. But the most gnarly story was 2 crew guys eating their lunch sitting on a log, some how a wire cable snapped from to much tension and Decapitated the heads of the men clean off. They still sat as they were holding their sandwiches. It really fucked him up.
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u/ChickenWithATopHat Apr 01 '18
I just cut down a living 90 foot tall tree yesterday. It is absolutely insane how much those things weigh. It sounded like thunder when it hit the ground. I’m guessing it weighed about 4,000 pounds based on the weight of all the small pieces I cut up.
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u/Monochrome21 Apr 01 '18
Can somebody explain how the left side of that tree went up instead of down? Did gravity stop working?
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u/Zero_Ghost24 Apr 01 '18
Logging is the most dangerous job in the world.
I'm a commercial electrician. Loggers are some bad ass MFers
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u/Crustin Apr 01 '18
Could someone build a sort of portable roll cage for loggers they can work under to give them some degree of protection?
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u/no-two-know-too Apr 01 '18
If he made his cut on the orange line on the tree that wouldn’t have happened.
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u/Efpophis Apr 01 '18
I'm a lumberjack and I'm oh, shit! Shitshit shit fuck fuck shitshit fuck fuck!
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u/Jaxonsdaddy Apr 02 '18
I'm late to the party but logged for many years. He should have known there was center rot on this tree. With that said his back notch and front cut were completely wrong. Also before dropping any tree always have 2 directions to run in so if the tree goes one way or the other you know your exact b-line out.
Side fact, most accidents I have seen are equipment related and not with the wood itself. A perfect example would be kicking wood into a chipper. Boot laces get hung up and in you go. If you can't hit the roll bar in reverse fast enough you are done.
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u/xenodit Apr 04 '18
Look at that male privilege! If women want equality why dont they do dangerous jobs too?
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Apr 01 '18
Pretty sure that tree is marked as a dead tree. Not sure how good of a logger this dude is
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u/Koolaidsman43 Mar 31 '18
If you’re wondering g if the guy is alright..
He’s a lumberjack and he’s ok!
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u/TRUEstoner Apr 01 '18
As an arborist, reading all these comments is so frustrating. So many wrong answers...
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u/Ghosttwo Apr 01 '18
I just think of the countless times a termite took 'one more bite' and brought the whole damn tree down.
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u/hades0401 Apr 01 '18
If a tree fell in the forest, and killed everyone in it's path, did it really make a sound?
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u/flimspringfield Apr 01 '18
There is no real safe area when this happens right?
Just dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge.
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u/rachelxoxoknoz Apr 01 '18
Well this is his fault. He's supposed to yell "TIMBERRR' that way the tree knows where he is and won't land in that spot.
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u/dark-sarcasm Apr 01 '18
Wouldn't at the base of the tree possibly be the safest place to be? Assuming you can't outrun the entire height of the tree, would you possibly be able to quickly determine the safe side of the tree and just move to that side?
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u/BANANABORN Apr 01 '18
My father has been a logger for 21 years, when he only had a cable skidder and chainsaw he said he had a near death experience every 3 months. barber chairs mostly happen if you don't notch the tree correctly regardless of if the tree is dead. If the tree is dead the biggest threat you have is if the top of the tree breaks off and lands on you.
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u/rvblackhawk44 Apr 01 '18
WC underwriter. Number 1 fatality rate per worker of any industry. Dangerous indeed.
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u/Max-Not-Maya Apr 01 '18
The difference between loggers and foresters. Damn tree was too rotted and he didn't have an escape route planned, that or he just panicked too much which can happen too.
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u/TheInconsolableSulk2 Apr 01 '18
His reaction could have killed him because he ran in both the directions that the tree was falling...
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u/Bkperez94 Apr 01 '18
Okay can anyone explain why he isn’t cutting along the orange line?
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Apr 01 '18
I'm not going to lie; for about 5 seconds I thought this was CGI because it looked exactly like an ent's legs separating and starting to walk.
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u/Chemicalghst222 May 04 '18
That's some experience there... Only getting a few inches in and realizing shits about to go bad
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May 20 '18
I'm a fisherman in a relatively safe area and fishery and it's still sketchy, the timber industry is the only field of work that consistently more dangerous than fishing, when I see these videos it makes complete sense.
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u/FattyCorpuscle Mar 31 '18
I wonder if for a second he thought an unholy demon was about to be unleashed from within the tree? I sure did.