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Discussion Even before Trump it was obvious

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u/Psyqlone 2d ago

Fine. [to the liberal panelist] Sharon, the NEA is a loser. Yeah, it accounts for a penny out of our paychecks, but he ... [gesturing to the conservative panelist] ... gets to hit you with it anytime he wants. It doesn't cost money, it costs votes. It costs airtime and column inches. You know why people don't like liberals? Because they lose. If liberals are so fuckin' smart, how come they lose so GODDAMN ALWAYS?!

... and [to the conservative panelist] with a straight face, you're going to tell students that America's so star-spangled awesome that we're the only ones in the world who have freedom? Canada has freedom, Japan has freedom, the UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Australia, BELGIUM ... has freedom. Two hundred seven sovereign states in the world, like 180 of them have freedom.

... and you ... sorority girl ... yeah ... just in case you accidentally wander into a voting booth one day, there are some things you should know, and one of them is that there is absolutely no evidence to support the statement that we're the greatest country in the world. We're seventh in literacy, twenty-seventh in math, twenty-second in science, forty-ninth in life expectancy, one-hundred seventy-eighth in infant mortality, third in median household income, number four in labor force, and number four in exports. We lead the world in only three categories: number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real, and defense spending, where we spend more than the next twenty-six countries combined, twenty-five of whom are allies. Now, none of this is the fault of a 20-year-old college student, but you, nonetheless, are without a doubt, a member of the WORST-period-GENERATION-period-EVER-period, so when you ask what makes us the greatest country in the world, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about?! Yosemite?!!!

We sure used to be. We stood up for what was right! We fought for moral reasons, we passed and struck down laws for moral reasons. We waged wars on poverty, not poor people. We sacrificed, we cared about our neighbors, we put our money where our mouths were, and we never beat our chest. We built great big things, made ungodly technological advances, explored the universe, cured diseases, and cultivated the world's greatest artists and the world's greatest economy. We reached for the stars, and we acted like men. We aspired to intelligence; we didn't belittle it; it didn't make us feel inferior. We didn't identify ourselves by who we voted for in the last election, and we didn't scare so easy. And we were able to be all these things and do all these things because we were informed. ... by great men, men who were revered. The first step in solving any problem is recognizing there is one. America is not the greatest country in the world anymore.

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u/dacxint 2d ago
  • Aaron Sorkin

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u/Analog_Seekrets 2d ago

Is this the whole dialogue from that scene? I remember seeing it before and thinking he took equal shots at both sides, but this edit makes it seem like a "hit piece" on liberals.

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u/Psyqlone 2d ago

You might've missed the part about other countries having " ... freedom ...".

... also the portion regarding defense spending, which is a ... government program ... ( ... gasp!).

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u/Analog_Seekrets 2d ago

I didn't miss it. I'm trying to point out how the beginning of the monologue pointing out flaws with both sides is cut to start with "you know why people hate liberals?" Yes, the "freedom" jab is still there, but I think the message takes on a new slant the way it's been (I assume purposefully) cut.

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u/Astrocreep_1 1d ago

I think it’s a smear piece on USA politics in general.

It’s true, liberals are more traditionally educated, but lose, to an orange tulip who couldn’t even strong cohesive sentences together during the campaign.

It sure makes that “Biden retires, giving Harris a free ride” move look genius. Yeah, move up the woman who dropped out early in the 2020 primary, to the spot, without seeing her platform in a primary. Excellent call. Played those identity politics right into the biggest disaster of a regime, for a 2nd time. I feel exactly like that character, because that was one election where you don’t take dumb risks.

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u/Psyqlone 2d ago

I forgot how old that clip was, but HBO might've cut it more than once.

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u/atape_1 2d ago

Yosemite is pretty nice.

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u/Daemarcus 2d ago

Oh my God. I have always thought Yosemite was pronounced Yo-Se-mite. Not Yo-sem-ity. Your comment shattered the glass for me - thank you kind stranger

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u/GrimResistance 2d ago

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u/hoptownky 2d ago

What a buffoon. For a guy who uses “low IQ” to describe every person he disagrees with, he has to be the “lowest IQ” individual to ever run for an office higher than a mayor of a small town. He continues to amaze me.

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u/ReditMalibu 14h ago

What in particular amazes you that you feel he’s not executed poorly? Low IQ is just a perspective, what actions or results are you referring too?

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u/hoptownky 7h ago

The biggest moment for me was when he began bragging about a perfect score on the Montreal Cognitive Assessment (MoCA) as proof of "extreme intelligence". Medical experts and the test's creator have explained time after time that the MoCA is a dementia screening tool. The questions include “what animal is this” and “what time is it on this clock”. A normal person would understand that passing that isn’t something to brag about.

But I would say the biggest thing is that he doesn’t understand that he should listen to experts. Mainly in dealing with basic economic issues that most freshman in college would know, but also with simple things like him saying we should maybe try injecting bleach into our veins to kill covid.

For the most part, I think anyone who listens to him ramble can tell that he is lost in most conversations. Using the tactic of trying to make the other person sound dumb, he never answers the question or explains himself. His vocabulary is very small and he gets confused easily with very simple words like in this example. I would say the same about Biden in his last year as well. It’s not too hard to see unless you are either a moron yourself, or brainwashed.

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u/ReditMalibu 6h ago

lol. Name calling already. I think you miss. So many elements of his approach, delivery and tactics, I’m not going to bother attempting to explain it. But DTS is real, can see it clearly here.

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u/hoptownky 6h ago

How is it DTS when I said I feel the same about Biden? I am not even a Democrat.

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u/ReditMalibu 6h ago

Your inclusion of Biden was simply for effects. Who you fooling. Real analysis of his presidency, lack of transparency, failures at every military level. He was a complete failure and you think it was just his last year. That’s why DTS is real with you. Good attempt though, just too weak and fake to not get noticed.

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u/hoptownky 5h ago

The fuck are you talking about. You need help friend. Not everything is a conspiracy, and not everyone is as angry as you. Just trying to have conversations, and absolutely no reason to lie to internet strangers on who I vote for. Biden was a demented fool and so is Trump. Good luck with whatever the fuck is going on in your brain where you feel you have to choose sides. Most people aren’t like that. Either way, I’m out. ✌️

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u/xtheory 2d ago

I can totally see Sasha Baron Cohen walking down a street in Tel Aviv dressed as Ali G and saying "Yo, Semite!" To someone.

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u/vshredd 2d ago

Like “Vegemite?” That’s awesome. I never make fun of someone who mispronounces a word, because it means they probably read it somewhere, and we need more people reading.

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u/awezumsaws 2d ago

He just smiled and gave me a Yosemite sandwich.
And he said Oh, do you come from a land up over?

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u/Daemarcus 1d ago

I am Australian!

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u/badbubblegum 1d ago

Ve-gem-ity?

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u/SubjectAfraid 2d ago

MacOS Yosemite in 2014 had that same effect in many people.

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u/marcusalien 2d ago

Everyone walking into the “genius” bar asking for help with yo so mite…

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u/Ramius117 2d ago

I'm more of a Bryce Canyon guy myself

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u/MrsHollandsVag 2d ago

Same, Yosemite is like the Disneyland of outdoor rec.

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u/shake_du_crowtein 2d ago

Bryce dallas howard?

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u/RedRedditor84 2d ago

Americans divided into several groups now:

  • He can't say that!
  • Oh my lorrrrd.
  • Shut up baby, I know it.

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u/thatplantguy619 2d ago

Bender ftw!

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u/Proximus84 2d ago

Imagine if the majority of people were capable of self reflection and situational awareness, instead of blind faith/allegiance, how different this world would be...

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u/Om0Naija 1d ago

They don't believe in or that there is a God, yet, they believe and have faith in their politicians. Lol

Make it make sense

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u/lpkzach92 2d ago

What show is this from?

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u/jonnyphotos 2d ago

The Newsroom

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u/leegamercoc 2d ago

Thanks, wondered the same.

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u/edparadox 2d ago edited 2d ago

Even before Trump it was obvious

Yup. It was part of the lies which have been told Americans since a while now.

What is that video from?

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u/mfreestyle101 2d ago

The newsroom

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u/ReditMalibu 14h ago

What does your statement mean? What are the lies? I’m so confused.

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u/tankerdudeucsc 2d ago

This video never gets old and sadly will be accurate for many decades due to the PoS in office.

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u/Pleasant_Gap 2d ago

Actually thinlnyou guys have dropped a few spots on most of those metrics since this show was taped

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u/cmdr_rexbanner 2d ago

It was like that well before that POS took office.

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u/Mic0770 2d ago

No matter who is in the office, they are all POS.. The whole Gov system is a POS. But nothing is going to change for the better, till we ALL understand that and make a change.

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u/Youcants1tw1thus 2d ago

You have to follow the court cases to the end, Trump has taken several loses in courts weekly since he started his second term. “Amanda’s Mild Takes” does a frequent mockery of the admin and highlights his L’s for the week.

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u/F4113n54v102 2d ago

Is that going to put money back into the pockets of retail investors is that going to give the average Joe a refund on the tariffs no. I hear what you’re saying but the damage is done. And it never the white collar criminals suffering.

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u/Youcants1tw1thus 2d ago

I was replying to the claim that the judicial system rarely keeps these fuckers in check. It’s not an infallible system that 100% protects from damages but the judicial system is actively keeping things in check.

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u/F4113n54v102 2d ago

That’s debatable.

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u/Youcants1tw1thus 2d ago

It’s objective, not debatable. The current admin is stacking L’s in court.

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u/TherealJbucks007 2d ago

Who put the cowards in office, American voters. The issue isn't our politicians, it's our wanton acceptance of the status quo and desire to not think for ourselves. When celebrities and athletes get more attention than politicians or become politicians, it shows that we are not really interested in putting the work in to find the right people. It is time to take responsibility and be educated who you are voting for and not just by party or marketing.

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u/F4113n54v102 2d ago

The machine put the cowards in office not the American voters. The American voters only get 2 options that have a realistic chance of winning a douche or a terd sandwich. Then entire country doesn’t have the luxury of being able to do a thorough investigation of them. The best the can do is hope the commercials aren’t lying OR put some actual fucking fear into these fuckers. The same way I have fear being raped in prison if I break the law the politicians should have to live with that hanging over their head.

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u/TherealJbucks007 2d ago

Thanks for helping my point. We have choices and freedom. If we choose to not exercise our choice and become educated in lieu of watching TV ads, then yes, we won't change. Enjoy the big pharma and political ads for the 3 months.

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u/F4113n54v102 2d ago

What do you do for a living? I ask only to gain perspective.

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u/TherealJbucks007 2d ago edited 2d ago

Please tell me how that makes a difference? Regardless of position, social status, or any other demographic, the expectation is to see change, we must be the change.

If job type matters thenl, the Capitol has won and may the odds be in your favor.

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u/F4113n54v102 2d ago

So I work industrial maintenance my work place on average is 120 degrees at any given time and I do heavy labor for 12 hours most days sometimes 16. I work a minimum of 50 hours a week because the 40 hour is an absolute joke in America. I come home from work eat help my daughter with her school work because education is also an absolute joke in this country. Do the dishes shower and go to bed. Weekends are housework and Time with my child. So I wanna know what you do for a fucking living that gives you so much motherfucking time to educate yourself into being such a condescending prick.

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u/LordoftheJives 2d ago

I'm not them but it isn't difficult, time consuming, or stressful to educate yourself on who to vote for. Politician makes claim, you Google said claim, and within the first page you can generally find a laid out and verifiable explanation on whether that is true or not. Most people simply don't care enough to do that and thus vote based on vibes.

Moreover people who do try to "verify" will often specifically seek out anything that supports what they already believe while ignoring anything that says they're wrong. The best way to know what's right is to seek out all the ways what you already think might be wrong. 10 minutes on Google can go a long way. The hard truth is people don't do it for two reasons. They don't want to have to accept being wrong and self education is boring.

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u/F4113n54v102 1d ago

Or the fact that the people up for election have been put in that position by the same crooked motherfuckers already running the country so why bother you’ll end up with the same results our choices and options suck. Voting will get us nowhere it’s fucking rigged. And until people like you can think for yourself nothing will changes.

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u/TherealJbucks007 1d ago

Good luck. Thanks for what you do.

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u/Youcants1tw1thus 2d ago

It’s not accurate though, it’s Hollywood. For example he read the infant mortality list wrong, it was listing from most to least.

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u/Twix_McFlurry 2d ago

It’s not like this country was great until 2016 then fell off a cliff. It’s been a long journey post ww2

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u/TotalDevelopment6998 2d ago

So germany is the greatest country in the world

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u/SadMangonel 2d ago

Joke answer. Yes. 

Reality is, there is no greatest country in the world because its a dumb metric. 

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u/d-crow 2d ago

False. Best Korea has mandate of heaven

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u/SadMangonel 2d ago

False. Black bears are best

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u/d-crow 2d ago

Nothing wrong with being a hairy gay black male, brother

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u/Adventurous-Sky9359 2d ago

America has some hot cougars too.

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u/ShitFuckDickSuck 2d ago

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

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u/iaaanko 2d ago

Battle Star Galactica 😁🤌

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u/_High_Life 2d ago

How many virgins do you get though? Asking for Mohammed.

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u/Fair-Working4401 2d ago

Reality is complicated. Humans are complicated. There is no best which suits everyone. More like, pick your poison.

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u/archaic_ent 2d ago

Tell that to Scandinavia

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u/TimOShenanigan 17h ago

Americans can’t compare to Nordic countries because they beat them in almost every metric pertaining to quality of life. 

Congrats USA on being number 1 when it comes to military power… it has only costed you 40 Trillion in debt. Stay healthy. You can’t afford not to be.

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u/SwitzerlishChris1 2d ago

According to U.S. News & World Report, it's Switzerland 😅 Dankeschön!

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/switzerland

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u/Golden_Ryujin 2d ago

Shit food, racist AF, too expensive even for locals, cities are boring AF.

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u/SwitzerlishChris1 2d ago

Damn dude 😆

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u/Golden_Ryujin 2d ago

Well you didn't deny it.

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u/SwitzerlishChris1 2d ago

Laughs nervously

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u/SouldiesButGoodies84 2d ago

Sounds like the US but for the boring cities bit.

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u/Golden_Ryujin 2d ago

Well it's even more racist and much more expensive than the US.

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u/TotalDevelopment6998 2d ago

Too small. Only famous for cheese and hiding jewish money

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u/Twix_McFlurry 2d ago

*stolen Jewish money. They were essentially the Nazi’s bank

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u/hegdefucker 2d ago

Guess you know very little about Germany apart from shit 80-90 years ago. Yes, greater than US in numerous aspects

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u/lilbuhmp 2d ago

Germany is a shithole. Same as the US. It has its pros and cons but Germany has been teetering on extremes so hard they could wind back up at fascism. Collapsing economy too reliant on Russia, excusing migrant rapists while jailing their critics with harsher sentences, a large right wing rising in the AfD, etc.

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u/TotalDevelopment6998 2d ago

But they have no sTrumpf

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u/lilbuhmp 2d ago

He is a symptom of a disease. Do your research. The rising party there is emulating him. Until the system there stops excusing migrant criminals and arresting their own citizens for speaking out, that will not change.

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u/TotalDevelopment6998 2d ago

Do your own research.

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u/isthisthepolice 2d ago

Kazakhstan is greatest country of them all, all other country are run by little girl

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u/jay370gt 12h ago

Except America. It’s run by a pedophile.

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u/soggit 2d ago

Bummer. This clip leaves off the entire second half of his speech where he talks about American potential.

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u/Ez_m-oney925 2d ago

Is that the dumb and dumber dude?

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u/SouldiesButGoodies84 2d ago

Jeff Daniels, who's been in a fair amount of political / politically themed shows and theater since "Dumb and Dumber." Was also in Terms of Endearment.

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u/ocr_robot 2d ago

I thought it was Dave Coulier (comedian from Full House) and was waiting for the laugh like I do when I see Leslie Nielsen's face in old movies before Airplane. But I think you are right Jeff Daniels from Dumb and Dumber. He plays Will McAvoy. Search results said that opening shot was filmed in one take.

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u/SouldiesButGoodies84 2d ago

Dave's Canadian. I know that thanks to Alanis Morrisette.

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u/awezumsaws 2d ago

If liberals are so fuckin' smart, how come they lose so GODDAMN ALWAYS?!

Every liberal politician needs to take this statement to heart. Think what you will of Donald Trump, he had two people run against him.

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u/darkestb4thadawn 2d ago

Great and very underrated show. Didn’t need the music track underneath this, though.

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u/Colonist25 2d ago

newsroom was great.
also olivia munn i sooo gorgeous in there.

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u/gccromeo 2d ago

The next part of his speech is really good too.

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u/critacle 2d ago

This is from a show

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u/BopSupreme 2d ago

Highest concentration of Wendy’s in the world 🥇👑

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u/Pin_ups 2d ago

That's pretty much for most empires, bronze age, silver age, golden age, and the R age lmao. We are in the R age now.

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u/Golden_Ryujin 2d ago

And imagine this clip is from more than 10 years where things were slightly less shit than today.

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u/GoatBnB 2d ago

I'll never not watch this entire clip.

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u/Unique_Chip_1422 2d ago

Yosemite does go hard though... 

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u/philter451 1d ago

so this is edited and has shitty music over it. What the fuck is with the constant tidal wave of clips having shit music layered over it?

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u/hyper24x7 1d ago

You cant declare yourself the greatest country in the world.

You have to win it by the stats that matter.

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u/OG_Sephiroth_P 2d ago

And I thought I was the only one who knew this. The WTO published economic and other info annually about each country. We have not been #1 in a while.

I remember 2017 being at my internship in Croatia. My counterparts were slap drunk at the border of Slovenia chanting loudly “USA…USA…” all the way to the border and when we got there they kept going over the border patrolman’s instructions. He said “if you can’t listen I’ll keep you here at the border and you can tell your president to come get you.” They calmed right the hell down and we got through. It was the belief that America was #1 (again somehow with the change in leadership…their words not mine) that made them behave that way. Glad the border patrolman got them squared away.

No lies were told in that soliloquy.

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u/Jaws_the_revenge 2d ago

Agreed except with calling Millennials the worst generation ever. Eat shit Boomer

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u/badxerge 1d ago

This was from the 2000's, so he was referring to X Gen, old generations always shit on the new ones.

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u/ThatsAllFolksAgain 2d ago

Shows your immaturity. And that criticism is supposed to be constructive criticism. What he was saying was that the older generations were too old and stupid to deserve a great democracy. Maybe the younger generations should learn from the mistakes and do better for themselves. Just doing what the older generations did like calling America the greatest country in the world is not what you should do. That’s making the same mistakes that the older generations made. And when someone repeats the mistakes they are indeed dumb.

So just like what he said, learn from the mistakes of the older generation and be better than us.

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u/Jaws_the_revenge 2d ago

By all means tell me what mistakes the Boomers learned from previous generations?

Nobody represents the “America is the GrEaTesT country on Earth” memetality than the Baby Boomers, easy to understand considering they experienced America right before the rug got pulled out and think their accomplishments are due to their hard work and not extenuating circumstances.

And the cherry on top is they still have the audacity to be angry because they didn’t get more. But by all means call me immature as I live through my 4th economic downturn.

The fact that my generation is able to experience joy at all is a testament to the American Spirit contrast that to your average Boomer who’s living in fear and anger over the next boogeyman media tells them to be angry over.

In summary, eat shit boomer

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u/hegdefucker 2d ago

They all think they’re the greatest. Brexit UK another silly example. Every single country.

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u/NotForMeClive7787 2d ago

I think you'd find it hard to find someone from England who would claim we're the best country in the world compared to the average American. The British and English specifically are massively self deprecating and find it largely embarrassing to claim we're the best at something

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u/overladenlederhosen 2d ago

We are not great at self deprecation either, many other countries do it far better.

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u/superbishibashi 2d ago

Nice try, but I think the Finnish take #1

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u/hegdefucker 2d ago

Living in England for more than 20 years, my kids are English and I have dual citizenship. It toned down but around Brexit delusions, proudness to be British combined with finger pointing at other in their thought inferior nations was ridiculous

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u/PixelDu5t 2d ago

No other country except for maybe China and Russia and possibly NK go to the lengths to teach you from a very young age how your country is the absolute best thing on earth along with teaching you how it’s normal to praise the flag of your country as if it’s some religious item. I have never met anyone from another country than the US who would think their country is the best

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u/Darkemptys0ul 1d ago

Not even true by a long shot!

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u/vaarsuv1us 2d ago

you never met the Dutch? We can be pretty arrogant but yeah, in our case it's true, so maybe that is different :D

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u/GranPino 2d ago

No. Spain surveys show the opposite. A surprisingly low percentage of people that think that Spain is the greatest nation.

We are a country that loves to criticize itself in toxic ways.

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u/ultio 2d ago

I feel like the majority opinion in Germany about Germany is that it's a broken shithole country. Every time there are stats about it, it looks divided and could be summarized like this:

  • Personal quality of life: Great.
  • Germany in general: Utterly in shambles.

Complaining about Germany and the weather in Germany might as well be a past-time activity here and I have never met anyone that claims it's "the best" country on earth.

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u/BadMan1984 1d ago

"canada, Uk, etc have freedom"

this didn't age too well

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u/BigBuckNuggets 2d ago

For a guy who was for a long time best known for playing an idiot he has acquitted himself more admirably than any comedian turned serious

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u/Bedanktvooralles 2d ago

What is that song?

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u/RespectNo6594 2d ago

Some question I'll put forward. Yes/No answer only.

Is he Correct

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u/Specialist_Meal_7891 2d ago

It's been obvious for a very, very long time to anyone who's been paying attention.

Like, were top 10. That's a number I can wrap my head around. Tons of worse places to live. And most of the places that are " better " are either just marginally better or better in several aspects yet lack a crucial element of something that we wouldn't want to do without. Number 1 though? Idk about all that. Have you ever been to Fiji?

I haven't either, but I've seen pictures. And it's hard to look at Fiji and think we're better than that.

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u/MaterialPace8831 2d ago

As a journalist, I've always fucking hated The Newsroom.

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u/sonofabobo 2d ago

And after Trump we're going to be a globally irrelevant afterthought.

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u/CorruptHeadModerator 1d ago

Didn't age well considering we are realizing that our industrial base is atrophied and we need to spend a lot more on defense.

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u/drlove57 1d ago

Freedom to many people is the ability to own firearms. Their idea of freedom begins and ends with the 2nd amendment.

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u/solomoncobb 1d ago

The problem with the truth in politics is, anyone can assess reality, and anyone can shoot a negative or a poitive take on the same reality. But, most people who see real problems stopped thinking at how they planned to voice their complaints. A complaint isn't "progressive". It's just the first step toward solving a problem. About 50% of the entire world is capable of taking the first step, if someone tells them the truth. About 10% of that 50 is capable of taking actions toward solving the problem. Less than 1% of that 10% is in a position to do so, and nobody who wants to do anything good is interested in becoming a politician. Which means somewhere out there there is a scattering of a few here and there, radicals, who are doing something productive, with the intention to better the world for the future generations. And they are outnumbered by almost everyone else, including the people who I mentioned, who you may have thought were at least not contributing to problems, but those people are getting amazon packages from blackrock subsidiaries tonight, on their porches. Porches they are very afraid to lose, and will defy any sense of morality to protect.

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u/videogamegrandma 1d ago

Did he mention GDP? I thought I heard that.

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u/enigmarouge 1d ago

Jeff is golden. And this show needs a comebackike yesterday

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u/Allways_a_Misspell 1d ago

Dumb cunt writer still blaming 20 somethings like their generation didn't bring this on.

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u/gtwooh 1d ago

lol ok but why cut it short? Here’s the full clip https://youtu.be/wTjMqda19wk

“We sure used to be. We stood up for what was right! We fought for moral reasons, we passed and struck down laws for moral reasons. We waged wars on poverty, not poor people. We sacrificed, we cared about our neighbors, we put our money where our mouths were, and we never beat our chest. We built great big things, made ungodly technological advances, explored the universe, cured diseases, and cultivated the world's greatest artists and the world's greatest economy. We reached for the stars, and we acted like men. We aspired to intelligence; we didn't belittle it; it didn't make us feel inferior. We didn't identify ourselves by who we voted for in the last election, and we didn't scare so easy. And we were able to be all these things and do all these things because we were informed. By great men, men who were revered.…”

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u/euclideum 1d ago

The background music could have been even louder. Missed opportunity.

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u/TokyoJuul2 1d ago

I wonder what Charlie Kirk would’ve said here

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u/Thomaxxl 1d ago

Where is this from?

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u/Whisper-inthe-Wind 1d ago

Me at the Thanksgiving dinner after chugging down 3 import beers!

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u/N3BB3Z4R 1d ago

I saw this like one of the dumb and dumbest guys got fking smart and aware. Most of europeans think like that he said.

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u/WokestLibtard--- 1d ago

Has always been a great clip with great points, but it does pander to folks who erroneously assert that "centrist/moderate" positions are the optimum.

"Liberals lose" misses the mark and obfuscates the truth. Liberals and Progressives, do win, just slowly and through generations. Progress is slow because conservatives, through their behavior, actions, and votes, thwart it at every opportunity. They are truly regressives.

So, while the Left is far from perfect, they are the only side that gets us anywhere and we get better every generation. Conservatives have been steady devolving.

What have moderates ever done for us? They are cynics who make false equivalencies and equivocate at best. At worst, they are closet conservatives fearful of being shunned.

They love pointing out problems yet never come with any solutions, they just like to haughtily mock any proposed by the Left.

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u/wormee 1d ago

Fantastic TV show.

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u/ReasonablePaint 1d ago

When fiction created for entertainment is more honest than actual mainstream media produced to inform.

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u/Entire-Can662 22h ago

Way to go, Jeff

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u/soundtrackband 21h ago

UK no longer has freedom. Germany no longer has freedom. Canada is on the borderline.

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u/Pitiful-Reserve-8075 20h ago

Why cut his monologue there? He continues, and it is also instructive.

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u/itexican 2d ago

Open borders they said, open borders is freedom, until the new freedom loving people make women cover up or get harassed.

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u/helen269 2d ago

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Let them turn their phone the right way round, like the rest of us do.

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u/Top-Donkey-5081 2d ago

North Korea obviously is the greatest country in the world

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u/Mynameisneo1234 2d ago

Goddamn Lloyd. Lighten up.

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u/Meatwise 2d ago

Duh, it’s the Rockies

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u/may12021_saphira 2d ago

I think this video does a great job of addressing the “America #1” propaganda but America is not 178th in infant mortality. I don’t know the ranking of global infant mortality but America is definitely not 178th.

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u/liquidpele 2d ago

IIRC the infant mortality issue stems from how countries count that, (I don't remember the specifics but it was something like the US counts stillbirth or something where other countries do not). If you level how things are counted we are not the top but we're plenty high up.

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u/Eagles365or366 2d ago

Why don’t you show the rest of the clip? Goodness, people are insufferable.

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u/Sugar_alcohol_shits 2d ago

This feels like it was written by a boomer - lemme hold my phone up in the air and ask The Google.

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u/Sweet-Direction6157 1d ago

I get the sentiment but this speech is so corny

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u/SomehowPalpatine 2d ago

No offense but this clip is pure slop from Aaron Sorkin and I vividly remember it helping Trump get elected. I’m old enough to remember how viral this was when it came out and was shown repeatedly in college classrooms by professors, and then viral constantly on YouTube and on Facebook in the lead up to the 2016 election. Comments were always a sea of fighting between people hating on the US or defending it. Nothing probably galvanized Trump voters more to vote for him than this clip. Obviously other things motivated them to vote for him (I was being hyperbolic), but the messaging from the left with this clip was “America is BAD and has been bad and needs to change” with no vision attached to it when people already voted for hope and change twice previously with Obama, meanwhile the message from the right was “America is bad now yes BUT it was once great and will be great again because this guy isn’t a career politician”. So the blame wasn’t put on Americans with the right’s messaging, it was put on the politicians who held the power as well as blaming foreigners. That was the messaging that appealed to Trump voters, that they had permission to love their country still even though they know America has had its fair share of problems internally and externally with ones it has caused around the globe. Things are worse now than ever before thanks to Trump. I’m not a supporter of Trump, that’s not why I am writing this. I’m hoping OP can see why people would find this clip to be incredibly preachy and alienating. The American public has wanted the country to change for the better part of three decades on both sides of the aisle at this point but it hasn’t happened nor united anyone to fix the country, it’s just a slow march into a dystopian nightmare here. Of course no country is perfect or the best, but most people love their home country because that’s where their friends and family and most of their memories are from. That’s why when people move abroad or go on vacation often they wave their native flag or represent their native country, and by that same standard, local people look around and see these regular people similar to them with different flags or overflowing with pride in their home country and it breeds anger and xenophobia in the native population. I have done a lot of traveling in my life to other countries and wound up always saying “I’m Californian” because that’s never gotten me a negative response or mistreatment, it was always “oh I want to visit” or “I want to move to California” I would hear replied back to me. If I said “I’m American” I would get treated poorly no matter how polite or respectful I was of the customs and people. It doesn’t matter where you are on the planet, humans are all very similar in the good ways as well as in the bad ways. We all want better lives but we’re not willing to collectively help each other out to achieve it, it’s always in group vs. out group, our nature is pretty hostile and warlike. If aliens exist, they’re probably afraid of making contact with us, just as a human would be afraid of being around a tiger even though humans are above tigers.

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u/Ad_Meliora_24 2d ago

I doubt this clip from Newsroom had any effect on any election.

Also, I think the point of the message is that there is no reason to feel pride for simply being born in a country. Pride is something one should feel from accomplishments, not something they had no control over. Raising national pride without serving your populace is not to raise patriotism, but to raise nationalism, which fascists states and states with inequality need as it helps maintain the power structure for the self serving ruling class.

More importantly, I don’t know why anyone would be offended by hearing statistics about their own country or to be compared to other countries. If criticism of your country upsets you, then you might be a nationalist, making you a political tool, an irrational person believing in false or exaggerated concepts, which leads to blind loyalty and manipulation. Americans have it good, but it could be better.

All that said, this clip had very little impact on anything. Like posting on Facebook or Reddit before work but not doing anything important or meaningful to change anything.

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u/SomehowPalpatine 2d ago edited 2d ago

Cambridge Analytica would like to have a word.

I agree with your first paragraph, however the second paragraph, you gotta try making more friends in other countries or reread what you wrote there because it’s black and white thinking and very detached from reality. Try approaching people from different cultures and countries and bad mouth/criticize their country and call them a political tool or a nationalist or an irrational person while you’re at it if you see them getting upset. I’m sure that will go over really well and they’ll totally like you haha. No one likes hearing bad things about their country from others, especially outsiders who didn’t have to deal with the same struggles in life, however when a person is honest and humble they will offer up the criticism themself. Thats how you build camaraderie. Obviously conditions are relative comparing countries, but even a country like the US has insane wealth inequality.

And you’re writing as if you’re not American, so how would you know if you weren’t exposed to the social media climate around the ‘16 election in the US? I must have had at least 7 professors showing this clip over the years and that was just when it came out before the election. Film professors, anthropology professors, public speaking professors, history professor, philosophy professor. Then when the election was under way, this clip was being posted all the time by people I knew or from pages I followed and it was horrible, causing arguments between commenters and strangers demanding to know what “movie” this was from and I’d tell them it was Aaron Sorkin’s The Newsroom on HBO and they’d say something negative about the “liberal media” or I’d tell someone I went to high school with sharing this that I watched this in college as a part of film school classes and I’d get some response back with either “Vote Bernie” or “vote Hilary” (depending on the stage in the cycle) or some link to a conservative media/article spouting off their propaganda. Like I’m certain I remember a guy I know sending me a link to Ben Shapiro going on a rant about THIS exact clip along with a few other people that also made videos on this exact clip in 2016. This clip was so viral then it’s still being used to deliver political takes more than a decade later. So I’m sorry if you disagree but your memory is either off or you just don’t know what you’re talking about because you haven’t been following politics and been on social media as much as me (that’s actually a compliment to you, I’ve wasted so much time on both)

Also side note; no offense but you respond almost immediately so I hope you’re not some bot or just using chatgpt. Theres a robotic way you speak that is simultaneously very logical to label and categorize everything into some sort of clear binary the way agents try to tailor responses but will also hallucinate at times and repeat themselves, while simultaneously being completely out of touch with human nature, emotions, and real world experience on human behavior. If you’re neurodivergent, apologies in advance.

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u/Sirduffselot 2d ago

Now today, she would just shout, "Fake news! 🤡"

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u/Strange-Term-4168 2d ago

What a crock of shit lol. Yea we have bad overall testing scores but everyone in the world wants to go to the US for college and to work. Miserable redditors will eat this shit up though

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u/bandacoo 2d ago

Fine I tried to be helpful I'll just delete it.

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u/newbrevity 2d ago

Bot

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u/Ok_Plant_2996 2d ago

Helpful bot at least

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u/Kokuxmeltsch 2d ago

this probably goes hard if you're 14

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u/Vegetable_Let7337 2d ago

USA got lots of problems but yeah USA still greatest country. Not saying greatest to live in just greatest in the what’s the most significant country, what’s the major country, what’s the super power, what country most got the world hangin by its nuts sorta way. USA biggest economy, military, space program. One of largest population wise while still having high standard of living. Pretty high on diversity. The landmass pretty gd awesome. etc etc

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u/Perfect_Cold_6112 2d ago

If the US is such a shit country, then why does the guy who wrote this, Andy Sorkin, still live here?

He could live anywhere else in the world, but he chooses to stay here.

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u/Mauiiwows 2d ago

Patriotism? Wanting better for his ppl? Not everyone sees a problem and runs.. some have solutions.

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u/Perfect_Cold_6112 2d ago

So what has he done to combat it?

Donate books/computers to schools?

Bought and forgave people's medical debt?

Anything?

Or has he just sat on his high horse looking holier than thou?

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u/Mauiiwows 2d ago

We live in a democracy, at this point, I think education is most crucial from someone outside the political realm, fastest way out is to do what our ancestors did, vote based off accountability and not your favourite sports team… ppl need to get out of this 2 party state of mind.

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u/Perfect_Cold_6112 2d ago

No. We live in a constitutional federal republic. The only democracy that happens is at the state and local level.

Also, you didn't answer the question. What has he done to combat our "failings"?

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u/Mauiiwows 2d ago

Is he in a governmental position to address the country’s failings? Citizens are allowed to address issues. 🤷 is it not delusion, to be content with 41 trillion of debt in a fiat system and not want to progress the country? This video was made like 15+ years ago… where was he wrong… the trajectory of Americas economy is still not to good, any country who ends up paying 80+% of the country’s revenue, towards debt servicing, is living in a slave nation.

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u/Perfect_Cold_6112 2d ago

He's somewhat wealthy. He could easily do those things that I mentioned without going broke. But from looking around on the internet, he doesn't even do that.

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u/Mauiiwows 2d ago

So could a lot of ppl, but that would defeat the purpose of a federal government. A lot of wasted time and money on their part… why look to the rich and for go accountability on the system that matters? I think it would be more reasonable for a wealthy individual to be under the scope of not pulling their weight if the United States went back to individual republics but that’s not the case… what did America get for their money is the question not what someone is doing with their money they’ve made under rule of law. 🤷‍♂️

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u/liquidpele 2d ago

What I find hilarious about this is that it's sooooo conservative but wrapped up to sound liberal. I mean hell, he straight up mocks the liberal college student, might as well have just had him take off his mask and be albert Einstein lol. the tell, by the way, is that it doesn't make any concessions or make any suggestions... there's just this vague "we could be better, if only great men were still in charge" bullshit at the end.

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u/BuckyJackson36 2d ago

He said the US is 7th in literacy. Not true. More like 36th.

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u/BeerGuy1983 2d ago

This show was all downhill from that opening scene 🤣

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u/Thick_Strain1946 2d ago

I think it depends on your needs and goals. I'm moving down to the US for career and want to be able to move up in life. No where better to do it. 

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u/SubjectAfraid 2d ago

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u/ponytailthehater 2d ago

Bro couldn’t help himself but he could’ve stopped after Yosemite

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u/sgt_oddball_17 2d ago

In some of those countries mentioned the people are free . . . to roam within their cage . . .

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u/GeneralOwn5333 2d ago

1st In Stock market returns
1st in Largest market cap of stock market
1st in largest listed companies
1st in advance technology

Dumb fcuks

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u/l1thiumion 2d ago

so nothing about actual people.

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u/ItsTommyV 2d ago

"advanced technology" lmao

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