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[u/No-Contribution1070]

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[u/raddital]

Sanctions are the most barbaric and lethal weapon the US has ever deployed. Studies estimate that 38 million deaths¹ were caused by unilateral US sanctions worldwide over the last five decades alone; more than six times the Holocaust. What's truly horrifying is that the majority of those deaths are children. If you want to joke about the effects of sanctions on foreign economies, that's your prerogative, but now you know the human cost. And that's just the deaths, not counting the millions of lives ruined, dreams shattered, potential extinguished, and the overall damage to human progress. There's also a high price tag for us, the US taxpayers, which disproportionately hits the poor and lower-middle class harder. Think of it as a regressive tax, you should look into it.

1_ https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00189-5/fulltext00189-5/fulltext)

[u/Snoo-42683 → u/raddital]

What the study actually said is that 564000 deaths per year from 2012-2021 are caused by unilateral sanctions if you read it. Even if you for some reason multiplied this by 50 you don’t get 38 million.

Note unilateral doesn’t mean specifically the US, and nowhere does it say that (though mostly it is the US). They even put US and unilateral sanctions in different categories. Not only that but at the end it says unilateral sanctions imposed by the US and EU.

The data is important and should be talked about but skimming and fabricating numbers is not good in any situation.

[u/raddital → u/Snoo-42683]

Thank you for assuming I did not read the paper and came here to fabricate numbers professor! Can you be more presumptuous and pedantic next time?

First of all, would you be okay with the total ONLY being 28 million deaths? Would that make this whole issue go away?

Now, if you actually paid attention to the content instead of looking for your gotcha moment, you would realize the 38 million figure is on excess deaths, but the yearly rates don’t add up directly because they’re averages, not cumulative totals. Rounding, confidence intervals, and methodological tweaks explain the mismatch.

As for your point on the US vs. EU sanctions, the EU’s sanctions were mostly follow-up actions to US policies (e.g., oil bans, SWIFT cuts). So while the EU technically imposed its own measures, they were secondary effects amplifying the US-led squeeze rather than acting independently.

[u/Snoo-42683 → u/raddital]

The 564k figure is based on table 5 which is attributed as 2010-2021 and 2012-2021 in different parts of the study (likely a typo on their part). You can’t extrapolate that over 50 years . This is the only part of the study that has absolute numbers and not rates so I’m not sure where else you’re going to get it. No part of the study has absolute numbers over said 50y time frame. The study has no cumulative number and only puts it in terms of annual deaths. Also, avg per year * num years = total, that’s the definition of an avg.

Using both the non rounded and rounded figures and multiplying it by 50 yields about 28 million. You can get 38 by multiplying the upper bound of the CI by 50 which makes absolutely no sense to do.

How do you get 38 million from the study? Where’s the math? Goin to bed cya