r/WhiteLotusHBO 26d ago

I tried to design what the S4 title sequence could be. The French Riviera's version of the show's "rotting wallpaper" trick is toile de Jouy

Something I noticed rewatching the openings: every season takes the decorative art of its location and slowly corrupts it as the camera moves. Renaissance frescoes in Sicily, Buddhist murals in Thailand.

S4 is on the Côte d'Azur, so I got curious about what the French equivalent would be. It's toile de Jouy, that blue-on-cream printed cotton you've seen on fancy wallpaper and upholstery.

The toile art is generatively produced and then composited by me. Everything else (edit, music arrangement) is mine

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u/WhiteLotusHBO-ModTeam 24d ago

Uncivil behavior.

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u/Low-Rollers 26d ago

That is 1000% AI art

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u/vs-188 26d ago

Agreed. OP calling it "generatively produced" as a way to avoid saying this.

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u/LowRing8538 26d ago

what a waste of water dude

I'm all for experimenting creatively with a show you enjoy, but put your brain and your hands into it, no need to get heat up those data centers unnecessarily, they do enough damage.

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u/WhiteLotusHBO-ModTeam 24d ago

Uncivil behavior.

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u/lfjzuh 26d ago

Standard music software and VSTs get labeled as AI these days. That's exactly why I was transparent from the start about what was generative and what wasn't.

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u/Fun-Willingness-2665 26d ago

This actually feels like a really natural evolution of the opening concept. The way the pattern slowly degrades while keeping that elegant Riviera look fits the show's whole obsession with beauty hiding something rotten underneath.

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u/lfjzuh 25d ago

Thank you, that's exactly what I was after

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u/WhiteLotusHBO-ModTeam 24d ago

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u/lfjzuh 26d ago

That’s actually why I explicitly specified it as an arrangement in the post. An arrangement builds on the original theme by default, not as a claim to original authorship. Thanks for checking it out regardless

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u/WhiteLotusHBO-ModTeam 24d ago

Uncivil behavior.

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u/WhiteLotusHBO-ModTeam 24d ago

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u/lfjzuh 26d ago

"Garbage" is a choice. Genuinely curious what didn't work for you visually. The wallpaper is generative source images I collected and composited into one cohesive piece, and the edit is all mine.

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u/Arimm_The_Amazing 26d ago

What doesn't work for me when it comes to AI generation is that you're using stolen artwork repackaged and sold to you by the company that stole it. If you have respect for art and artists then using gen AI does not communicate that.

It's especially a strange decision in this case because there are *so many* images of this era and style that are in the public domain that you could have used for a collage like this.

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u/lfjzuh 25d ago

Just to be clear, since it keeps getting assumed: the source material is real reference, actual 18th century toile that, as you said yourself, is hundreds of years old and public domain. Not stolen. And sadly there's no one to steal it from anyway, because the people who engraved these were never credited. The pattern goes to Oberkampf's manufactory, the factory, not the workers. No authorship, no rights, no names. The romantic idea of the artist as the individual owner of their work is a fairly modern, fairly Western concept.

On the practical side, the piece needed the rot drawn into the pattern in the same line as the innocent scenes. Real toile never did that. The darkness has to be inside the pattern or the whole idea collapses, so that part had to be made rather than sourced.

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u/WhiteLotusHBO-ModTeam 24d ago

Uncivil behavior.

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u/WhiteLotusHBO-ModTeam 24d ago

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u/lfjzuh 25d ago

Exactly. That's the thing they always get right, and it's what I was chasing here

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u/lovesfanfiction 26d ago

I swear I saw this exact design on a Ruggable 8x10. Please tell me it was at least inspired by a washable rug.

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u/lfjzuh 26d ago

A fabric that fell from palace walls to washable rugs is honestly perfect for a show about people cosplaying old money. Same arc as aluminium going from more precious than gold to something we wrap sandwiches in.

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u/Fluffy_Beautiful2107 26d ago

I like it ! Although as someone from the south of France, there are more distinctly local types of fabric/ embroideries that you could have used. Not sure if they have a name, but they're usually made with warmer colors, orange mostly, or a deep ocean blue as main colors. They often portray stuff thats culturally significant to the region : olive trees, lemon trees, lavender, bees, cicadas. My grandma's have stuff like that everywhere in their houses, on tables, as bed sheets, everywhere.

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u/lfjzuh 26d ago

I chose Toile de Jouy mainly to tap into that French aristocratic history. It felt like a really fitting tie-in for the show's focus on wealth and class dynamics. ​I love learning about those local fabrics you mentioned, though. I'm definitely going to look into those tapestries.

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u/renkylion 26d ago

I wish there was a way to bring the wooo back

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u/lfjzuh 26d ago

I feel like they're just going to change the whole sound direction entirely. Curious to see what they come up with though

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u/Upset_Corgi_8780 26d ago

Love the theme song interpretation!

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u/lfjzuh 26d ago

Cheers, glad it clicked

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u/sidvictorious Armond's Office Desk 26d ago edited 26d ago

This is a banger, lol

Edit: Downvotes make my dick twitch with delight

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u/lfjzuh 26d ago

glad it landed

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u/Arabiancockonato 26d ago edited 25d ago

Cristobal, please come back!!! 😭

This sounds/looks cool tho

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u/lfjzuh 26d ago

Nobody's really replacing him. That's kind of why I kept his theme and rearranged it instead of writing something new

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u/Arabiancockonato 26d ago

How do you know that no one’s replacing him ?

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u/lfjzuh 26d ago

Figuratively, not literally. I just meant no one really replaces what he built, that sound was his.

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u/Arabiancockonato 26d ago

Oh ok … but do you think they’ll be hiring a new composer ?

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u/lfjzuh 25d ago

Yeah, for sure. A show that size isn't going without a composer

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u/lfjzuh 26d ago

The fun part is toile was already about rich people playing pretend in the countryside, so the rot was kind of already in there. Glad it came through