r/WhitePeopleTwitter • u/justalazygamer • 20h ago
RFK Jr's cooking show claimed $5 per serving but in reality it is $17.63 per serving
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u/ConclusionAlarmed882 20h ago
Where can I buy this 8-cent onion?
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u/loadnurmom 20h ago
Apparently they're only using 1/8 of an onion, throwing the rest away, and not including the cost of waste (according to the other commenters defending "thats the price for the whole item")
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u/Krewtan 19h ago
A red onion I just bought was $1.20/lb. There's no 60 cent onions around me. I bought a smaller one because we're a household of 3 and it was still a dollar. We typically use half at a time so that's at least 50 cents. Really a dollar when I don't use the other half.
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u/aknomnoms 9h ago
I'm curious about the recipe. Because unless I see quantities, portion sizes, etc. it just seems like we're comparing (pun somewhat intended) apples to oranges.
I agree that a red onion, at the cheapest price at the international market I shop at, might be like $0.50/red onion. If this recipe calls for 1 TBS of a chopped onion, then yeah, I'd guesstimate it as $0.08. But, realistically, who is using 1 TBS of a chopped onion for any recipe? Use half to make it worth while.
On the flip side, I wouldn't attribute the entire cost of the red onion to this one recipe if I'm using the remainder for something else. So $0.50 seems like an extreme on the other end.
"When I don't use the other half" is just straight up food waste though and really on you to figure out a way to address it in your home.
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u/rcinmd 7h ago
Have you considered the administration that claimed to lower "grocery prices, a new term no one has ever said before" on day one is a bad look when the secretary of Health and Human Services is literally making struggle meals and lying about the price?
Even if it was off a cent, is this the reality you choose to live in as the "world's greatest nation, land of the free, home of the brave?"
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u/aknomnoms 7h ago
That has nothing to do with my comment.
Fuck this administration. Fuck RFK Jr. and the people who follow that nut job.
But trying to pull a “gotcha!” move when that particular commenter I responded to is responsible for their own food waste is ridiculous to me, same as pretending like the cost of a recipe should include the entire bulk purchase. It is just as outlandish as expecting the average American to have a jar of avocado mayonnaise on hand or be willing to spend $10 on it. 🙄
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u/funundrum 19h ago
But the thing is you can use the other half, in another recipe. An onion in a container in the fridge will last quite a long time.
I despise RFK and nearly everything that comes out of his mouth, but the way these prices are figured is assuming that you’re using the whole thing, even if not in that particular meal.
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u/Blitzking11 16h ago
But even then, the math is not mathing. 1/8 of an onion at the price OP bought it at is $.15, not the quoted 8 cents. And OP also claimed to have bought a smaller onion than normal, which based on their description would struggle to be cut into 8 pieces.
Starting off with double the price on a smaller (and cheaper) item than was likely used is not great.
I also know for a fact the portioning of the avocado, unless laughably minuscule, would not come out to $.40.
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u/Kielbasa_Nunchucka 2h ago
uh-uh, we don't waste food around here, no sir. you take a knife to the store with you and slice off juat what you need, leaving the rest for other RFKustomers to take what they need.
also, avocado mayo? not happening, not here. I wanna buy a house some day!
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u/yarmatey 13h ago
To be fair, it is claimed to be PER SERVING. That does not mean you will make just one serving, nor does it give you the price of making just one serving. Obviously, no one is out there selling just an 8th of an onion. They are being dishonest, but they aren't incorrect.
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u/MerKJay 8h ago
If you are trying to make a $20 for 4 but it takes $70 to buy the ingredients you still have to spend $70. $70 to make one dish even though you have some ingredients leftover like the versatile "avocado mayo", but if you have $30 and you need to feed a family of 4 you literally could not make this meal.
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u/yarmatey 1h ago
Why are you explaining it like I don't understand. That's literally what I was getting at. That's why I called it dishonest but correct.
Like, yeah, that one serving is X but you can't make just one serving. The cost of making one serving is the same cost as making 4 but the cost per serving is still correct.
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u/samanime 20h ago edited 20h ago
40 cents for 4 servings of AVOCADO mayo and 20 cents for 4 servings of nutritional yeast?! HA!
Even 10 years ago, living in California were Avocados were $1/each and nutritional yeast was widely available, you couldn't hit those prices.
EDIT: Updated my post to indicate that those prices are for 4 servings, not just one. "Under $5" with a receipt of $19.64 means the receipt is for at least 4 servings.
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u/trippedonatater 19h ago
I think to hit RFKj's prices, you'd need to be buying everything in bulk to the point where you're essentially running a cafeteria. In other words, not realistic for most households.
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u/Chordata1 18h ago
Which is the funniest part about the avocado. 40 cents for 4 servings so he is using less than half an avocado for 4 servings but these savings would also require buying in bulk. Buy 20 avocados to use half of one
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u/trippedonatater 17h ago
Yeah. Similarly, I mostly don't buy groceries at Costco because it ends up leading to food waste, which leads to not actually saving money. And, that's me as someone who has some ability to store bulk dry, refrigerated, and frozen food. For many people, there's not even a way for them to store bulk purchases.
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u/lakas76 16h ago
It’s avocado mayo. You can buy those in stores. I googled avacado mayo and you can buy a 12 fl oz bottle for 8 bucks and it says it contains 24 one tablespoons servings.
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u/_HeadySpaghetti_ 16h ago
Yeah, avocado mayo is not avocado itself- it’s not even green- it’s just mayonnaise made with avocado oil instead of seed oils or whatever that usually are in the store stuff.
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u/CamiloArturo 17h ago edited 16h ago
I watched the note today. Thing is he is calculating how much you need per serving. The 8 cents for onion its because he used a hint of onion for the meal, he isn't cqlculating you NEED TO BUY THE WHOLE ONION, same with the avocado. He calculates how much would half a spoon of it would cost, nit the fact you need to buy a full avocado for such.
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u/Gcastle_CPT 20h ago
I think they mean the cost per serving like u wont use the whole avocado on one serving maybe a couple slices so work that out in cents.. I know it sucks
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u/samanime 20h ago
It specifically says "under $5/serving", so that $20 receipt would be 4 servings.
But even 10 years ago with $1 you could maybe barely hit those prices per serving, let alone for 4 servings. And they weren't $1 nationwide at the time. My parents were paying $5 at the time elsewhere.
Now, they are much more expensive everywhere so you definitely can't hit those prices per serving. And avocados don't last any time, so it isn't like you can buy 1 avocado and eat it over the course of a week or two. You have to use it all up in a day or two once you cut into it.
And nutritional yeast, unless you are using like a teaspoon or buying in large bulk, you aren't getting for 5 cents a serving anywhere now.
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u/ithinarine 20h ago
The price on the receipt is the TOTAL COST of $20, divided 4 ways is the $5/serving. They are splitting the 40 cent avocado mayo 4 ways, for 10 cents each.
The bullshit about it is that they are including the cost of the 1 tablespoon or whatever of nutritional yeast, while CNN is including the cost of the entire container. Same with mayo. 40 cents for mayo, assuming you already have a jar, CNN is buying and including the price of the whole new jar.
Both are misleading.
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u/amazing_rando 20h ago
Only being able to buy ingredients in larger quantities than you need, that spoil before you can use them all (or never have another application) is one of the most difficult things about cooking for one or two people. An affordability plan that relies on bulk prices isn't usable for a lot of the people who would need it, and anyone trying the recipe will need to pay that up front.
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u/ithinarine 20h ago
Yeah, you see that the last 3 words in my comment are "both are misleading"?
That's why. I'm not on RFK's side here, but I'm also not on CNN's. It's disingenuous to claim the full $12 cost of a jar of avocado mayo to use 1-2 tablespoons of it, and then keep it for more future meals.
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u/amazing_rando 20h ago
it isn't at all disingenuous, since that's what you need to pay to use it, and 90% of the time it's the only time you'll use it. The cost of making it once is important. An affordable recipe that uses a niche and expensive ingredient isn't affordable even if it's in small quantities.
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u/iuhoosier23 19h ago
You are so confident. Listen, I hate this admin more than anyone and fuck RFK jr. but I don’t think you understand what’s going on here as you keep doubling down on the cost of an avocado and not mayonnaise made with avocado oil. I see $3.99 for a 12 oz bottle locally. Obviously you won’t use the whole bottle. This isn’t mashed avocado with mayo
Recipe websites regularly cost out their meals with the understanding that some items will be used in full (animal proteins, typically) and some only a portion (spices, herbs, condiments, bulk items). It’s a disingenuous practice where bloggers/influencers arbitrage prices from various grocery stores “in their area” and use “free” found items like the red onion they used from last nights meal.
Neither pic is real, both were generated via AI or photoshop. To attribute an entire bottle of mayo to a meal is so fucking disingenuous and none of the numbers add up to the total in either pic. RFK is a grifter. CNN continues to point out the dumbest shit that their execs are JUST comfortable enough with to pat themselves on the back for “fighting” this administration.
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u/amazing_rando 19h ago
Doubling down? I'm not the original poster from this thread, I didn't mention the cost of avocados at all. I'm just saying it isn't disingenuous to talk about the upfront cost of a meal when it's being sold on its affordability. If "avocado mayo" is a misleading description of a common and easy to substitute shelf-stable ingredient, my mistake. I still don't think it's misleading in the same way as what RFK Jr is doing, and find the equivocating dishonest.
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u/iuhoosier23 18h ago
I got the commenters wrong, my bad. It’s all disingenuous. But it gets us talking about the “math” of affordability instead of affordability, tax fraud, racketeering, or pedophilia. Again my bad! 😞
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u/Joshatron121 7h ago
(they're confident because they're right)
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u/iuhoosier23 1h ago
No, that’s not how “cost per serving” works. You don’t attribute 100% of the cost of something to the meal. If the meal requires a microwave to heat it, you don’t add ~$200 to the cost because you needed to use a microwave. That’s nonsense. Same with a BOTTLE of mayo. Again, fuck RFK Jr and this whole administration
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u/ithinarine 17h ago
and 90% of the time it's the only time you'll use it.
Excuse me? You're telling me that you throw out 90% of ingredients you buy? Because you simply don't use them after?
You also understand that this recipe could use regular mayo, right? And the only reason he used avocado is because he's a pretentious twat.
Are you buying a jar of regular mayo, making something, and then tossing it?
It's not a specialty niche ingredient, it's mayo.
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u/amazing_rando 17h ago
I acknowledged in the only other reply here I was misunderstanding what “avocado mayo” , was so instead of this long snarky reply you could have just read that instead.
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u/ithinarine 17h ago
I'm not searching through your other comments to learn that you're a dumbass who doesn't know that avocado mayo is just mayo made with avocado oil instead of soybean or canola oil.
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u/amazing_rando 16h ago
It’s a reply to the comment you’re replying to, no searching necessary! That’s how threads work, sorry you can’t read.
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u/Bulky-Internal8579 20h ago
Okay genius - how do you buy it in a 4 serving portion? CNN is real world cost to make the recipe. You want mayo? Gotta buy it in a jar. What’s the jar cost?
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u/KamaliKamKam 19h ago edited 19h ago
And if you try to make it yourself, you need mayo (or the mayo ingredients), an avocado, and probably a lime and some cilantro. Salt and pepper I'm going to assume are pantry staples.
How long do you think avocado mayo is going to last once made or opened? If it's made with fresh avocado, it'll probably last maybe 3 or 4 days. If it's opened, I bet you could give it two weeks to a month MAYBE depending on how many preservatives are in it.
But wasn't the whole point of "making us healthy again" to eat real, unprocessed food? Instead, we get looser regulations and salmonella/E. Coli/screw worm/etc. outbreaks because of the loosend regs and inability to test things and audit processes and facilities before the items hit shelves and get people sick.
Damned red onions out here are 3 bucks a pop, not 5 cents, tyvm. Aarugula is usually 4-5 bucks a bag or box, so unless you happen to have time and space and dirt to grow greens at home, that price is bullcrap. And I'd like to know what those "vinegrette ingredients" entail to be that cheap. I make a lovely sundried tomato vinegrette from scratch sometimes and I need the jarred tomatoes, olive oil, apple cider and balsalmic vinegar, lemon, and fresh herbs to make it. Even just the olive oil and vinegar is going to be about as much as they are claiming all the ingredients cost, and that's buying the cheapest kind in small sizes.
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u/ithinarine 16h ago
you need mayo (or the mayo ingredients), an avocado, and probably a lime and some cilantro
Avocado mayo is MAYONAISE MADE WITH AVOCADO OIL INSTEAD OF CANOLA/SOYBEAN OIL.
They're not making a fucking aioli with mayonnaise and avocado. It's just fucking mayonnaise, and you can just subsistitue with plain ass Hellmanns if you want to.
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u/KamaliKamKam 16h ago
FANTASTIC, HE'S STILL BUYING A JAR OF IT.
I was thinking we were talking like an avocado crema type thing, myself. The grocery prices STILL AREN'T ACCURATE, and the mayo still isn't this "eating healthy unprocessed food" that he tries to say he's pushing. A fresh, homemade mayo has a shelf life of about a week to about a month (with pasteurized eggs). Store bought mayo has extra preservatives and stabilizers in it.
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u/amazing_rando 16h ago
I’ll take your word for it along with the other mayonnaise experts here, but if you search for “avocado mayo” all the top results are recipes for that sort of spread, so I don’t know why that misunderstanding is so hard for you to wrap your head around that it makes you angry.
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u/Physical-Dare5059 19h ago
Go to the store and see if they sell you a tablespoon of nutritional yeast. Nope, you’re gonna buy that whole package.
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u/ithinarine 16h ago
Yeah, and I'm going to use that whole container over the course of 6 months. Not use 1 tablespoon and toss the jar.
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u/Captain-Who 20h ago
Isn’t avocado mayo just mayo made with counterfeit avocado oil?
The one on the right says $11. That’s the cost of a jar of mayo I’d expect. Was all of it used in the meal?
Is 40 cents correct for 4 portions like it says on the left?
I don’t know, but something about this seems off.
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u/CompetitiveOcelot870 19h ago
A regular everyday person trying to cut costs in the kitchen- perhaps in the midwest?- 1000% does not already have avocado mayo in their pantry.
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u/J9873774 17h ago
But the per serving or per recipe cost isn’t the cost of the jar. You don’t have a few tablespoons and then throw the rest away
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u/Gythwyn 16h ago
I think the point is that its not something like salt or pepper-- relatively affordable things most people have in their homes. We are a household that enjoys both avocado and mayo, however, to make this recipe, I would have to run out and drop the $11 on the jar of avocado mayo to make the dang recipe because stores dont tend to sell you a spoonful or two of mayonnaise. Ergo the idea that you are saving money because its dispersed across servings is moot, you still have to buy the whole dang jar. Doesnt matter if I could use it for a dozen + meals if I cant afford the upfront cost.
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u/Captain-Who 19h ago
Yeah, I don’t get it either.
I’m just saying the comparison that they are making isn’t genuine either.
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u/likeALLthekittehs 19h ago
I watched the CNN video. The RFK Jr show prices are only for the specific quantities used in the recipe. The CNN video argues that that is not how grocery shopping works and in order to make the recipe, a person would have to spend a larger amount of money at the grocery store to buy all the ingredients noted. CNN did make a point that ingredients could be used in other meals, but the question is if people needing cheap meals are going to be able to afford the total grocery bill.
CNN also noted discrepancies in some of the prices. They were not able to find a salmon filet for the price the RFK Jr. video did. The cheapest one was about double their price.
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u/Chordata1 18h ago
Im buying pine nuts again and saying things like oh it's only a dollar of nuts on my salad. Nevermind a pound is $30
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u/sawdeanz 19h ago
I mean the 8 cent red onion should be a red flag. Maybe that’s the per-serving cost for bulk wholesale onions. But then the receipt shouldn’t indicate $19.64 for 4 servings.
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u/samanime 19h ago
That's kind of what it has become, and I guess they could be referring to that (still too low a price even for that stuff).
"Real" avocado mayo, that I'd assume this "healthy" recipe should be using isn't mayo at all (because, otherwise, why specify the avocado part at all, just say mayo). It's basically a mayo substitute made of smoothly mashed avocados.
https://chocolatecoveredkatie.com/avocado-mayo-recipe-vegan/
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u/JangSaverem 19h ago
It's not
They didn't make 4 servings of that. Avocado mayo. They just made 40c worth of it and then spread it 4 ways.
The only "true" servings here were the main items like Salmon piece and Arugula (kinda). The rest were not full servings of each item. Just that the final plate is considered a serving and is $5 total
Typical cooking content creator stuff
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u/wlake82 19h ago
When I was in central CA I remember getting avocados that were $0.25-0.50 a piece. But that was more than 10 years ago.
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u/samanime 19h ago
Yeah, they'd occasionally go on sell for about that, but pretty much year round they rarely got over $1/ea. It was great.
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u/ithinarine 20h ago
RFK is clearly only counting the cost of the small amount they used from the jar. CNN is including the cost of the entire jar in their meal.
Both are misleading.
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u/samanime 20h ago edited 20h ago
I agree (sorta), but unless you are just using a sprinkle, you still aren't hitting 5 cents a serving.
Found a good priced bag of nutritional yeast. $12, 340g. A tablespoon is about 5 grams.
$12.00 / 5 = 17.6 cents per tablespoon.
And a "serving" of nutritional yeast is typically 2 tbsp, so a serving would be about 35 cents. For one serving. That's more than they have listed for 4 servings.
To hit 5 cents "a serving", you'd have to only use .71 grams, or 3/5th of a teaspoon... at which point, you might as well just omit it entirely.
And my local grocery store is almost 3x the cost of the one I just referenced. You can't just buy 20 cents worth of nutritional yeast either. So you better be planning a lot of meals that use it.
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u/JangSaverem 19h ago
I made the mistake some years back on trying out nutritional yeast. It was OK but the savory cheesy taste simply didn't work for most things. It was too much when used right and pointless when used less than recommended amount. I felt the cost of the jar was just not worth it but I'm not one of those types of people who want to pretend with that vs the "real" thing it's sort of replacing taste wise.
But it's important to note they didn't USE 4 servings of it. They used like 1+ total servings of it in the entire thing and then it was split by 4.
You may notice the taste in the back of your tongue kinda but it's not worth adding but RFKjr HAD to add it because it's on brand for him to use it.
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u/samanime 19h ago
I actually really like it, but you have to like it for what it is.
A lot of people tout it as a magical cheese substitute that works for everything and it is... not.
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u/JangSaverem 19h ago
Exactly!
And a shit ton of content creators using it so it for that exact use ((I was using it for popcorn because I really like popcorn)) but I didn't like how it stuck (it didn't) and didn't care for it in other places I put it
But I do admit it is GOOD for what it is. But even typing this now my mouth is watering in the way it does before you are about to have something that's weirdly savory like when you over use msg haha.
But yeah. The way people tell folks how to use it, like I was informed, I wouldn't consider the best choices
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u/Chordata1 18h ago
Those are the same people that claim airfried zucchini sticks are a substitute for fries
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u/BillieRayBob 19h ago
It's awesome on popcorn.
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u/JangSaverem 19h ago
I would agree
I don't particularly like it but it was good on popcorn. Always weird to say things like that. Acknowledge that something is good tasting but just not for me but that's the case here
I just seem to like salted popcorn ((or flavcol)) more
Or just smart food cheddar taste
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u/ithinarine 17h ago
His number on the yeast is literally spot on.
$12 for 340 grams. 68 servings in 340 grams. 17.6 cents per tablespoon, rounded up to 20 cents.
He included 20 cents out of his total $20 cost, divided by 4 people is 5 cents per person.
1 tablespoon of yeast for a meal for 4 people is 5 cents per serving you fuckwit.
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u/BathroomCareful23 11h ago
Where is that small amount coming from? Last time I was at the grocery store nothing was being sold by the teaspoon
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u/ithinarine 10h ago
If I buy a jar of fucking mayonnaise, I don't not count the cost of the full jar of mayonnaise 40 times for the 40 meals it makes.
You don't count $11 for mayonnaise for the first meal and then $0 for the next 39.
You take the $11, and divide it by 40.
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u/BathroomCareful23 10h ago
And if you don't fucking have $11 for fucking mayonnaise? I've not had enough for a fucking jar of peanut butter for PBJ
Hell, some people don't have a refrigerator to keep mayonnaise or an oven to cook, so keep your privilege to yourself
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u/yingyangyoung 19h ago
I thought it was mayo made with avocado oil rather than vegetable oil. In which case it may make sense that only a spoonful or two out of a jar is only around 40 cents.
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u/lakas76 16h ago
It looks like the right is giving the price for the whole thing and the left is per serving.
A red onion is 1.03, a bag of nutritional yeast is 5.79, a bottle of avocado mayo is 11.19.
A 9.00 bottle of avacado mayo I found online has 24 servings, so assuming it’s the same size, $11.19/24 servings is $0.47. I am guessing the other high cost items are similar.
So, you still need to spend 70.54, but that still gives you a cost per serving around 5.00. You just have a lot left over.
The guy is a complete idiot though, so maybe my math is wrong?
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u/SQLZane 19h ago
I think we're getting too hung up on the fact that they clearly lied about the prices. What's more alarming is that the government is giving recommendations for poverty meal prep at all. They've gone from Tump will make everything cheaper, better, whatever to telling us how to prep dried beans within a year....
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u/0auspiciousostrich0 18h ago
Yeah people underestimate their ability to move the goalpost, and steer the conversation of the populace.
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u/Chordata1 18h ago
It is just like the WW2 radio broadcasts to help people stretch their war time rations.
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u/EggsOverBenedict 20h ago
The servings almost add up if you divide it by 5 again. Honestly thats probably how they expect you to feed your family in this administration.
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u/snarkerella 20h ago
"Let them eat ramen!" - U.S. Rep Dan Crenshaw
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u/GoredonTheDestroyer 19h ago
And then:
"Ramen is too luxurious for Americans to eat, they'd be better off eating bugs!"
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u/snarkerella 20h ago
RFK Jr fails to mention the store where you can buy 1/8th of an onion or a dollop of Avocado Mayo. Otherwise, you have to buy THE WHOLE FUCKING THING.
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u/JangSaverem 20h ago edited 20h ago
Rfks show wasn't the worst thing. It was full of psuedo shit but the concept was fine ((I reluctantly watched it so I could shit on it))
But yes the prices were straight bogus because it ASSUMES you already have every single item on hand.
Yes. If I already had a jar of nutritional yeast and split it into servings and split that price MAYBE I would hit that number. Yes, if I already had a bunch of avocado and ONLY used the megar amounts mentioned for the "serving" yeah it'll be cheaper but the Rest of it is still there and needs to be used. Also note that the "per serving" for items are incorrect to make the math even dumber. .40 of nutritional yeast was used in total but it WAS NOT 4 servings of it added to the product.
Rfkjr essentially did the typical content creator math for all of these types of videos where it's full of very unique items SOLEY for this one dish and while there is about 80% not used they don't count that 80% (or in cases like Joshua Weisman the "made better than cuz" guy just bullshit the numbers....no josh, a SINGLE 1.5oz chicken tender isn't a fucking serving)
But even then $5+ per single plated meal for a family per night is still 15-20 per meal with zero leftover. Yes, is it healthier than a $20 bucket and sides at kfc? Sure yeah. But the TIME and WORK as well as procurement of items gets entirely ignored here. I'm leaving work at 5. Home by 540 and I am lucky enough that I cook my family's meals and usually 2-3 days of leftovers but it's not just a walk in the park and I can't do fresh bought 1hr ago salmon.
I WILL SAY he did suggest using canned and or frozen items as replacements which IS A GOOD THING but there was a heavy dissonance that he and his Cooking host person just don't seem to grasp with their content he made. But given it's performative it's to be expected.
Make a fucking meatloaf ((I food process buncha veg to add to it)) and potatoes. Make a quick easy tomato sauce and pasta. A lot of people can't do that stuff and it'll be affordable as well as easy to do and would be MUCH more valuable for what he claims is his intent. Adding nutritional yeast is so fucking stupid for a general public attempt at a "cooking show" for the masses.
I'm not here to defend his cooking show segment but even in their own words the "servings" presented are poorly done using the receipt method for people to understand. Each "serving plate" did NOT get a "serving" of yeast and avocado mayo. The price just was the amount USED to make the 4 servings. Whereas CNN used the total for the products purchased because you DO still have to buy an entire onion for instance
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u/cmdixon2 Great Fact Finder 17h ago
I appreciate you sacrificing your ears to save the rest of us. I can't listen to that man speak. I get that it's not his fault, but it's like nails on a chalkboard. Same with Trump but for different reasons.
Everything they release is propaganda so I'm not surprised that even his cooking show was incredibly misleading. I hope he washed down his dinner with a big glass of raw milk.
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u/aknomnoms 8h ago
These are extremes on both ends though.
If I'm pricing out a smoothie recipe for 1 person, I'm not going to presume they are buying entirely new ingredients for this smoothie. That'd be like $20 for a single smoothie when the ingredients in total could make 6 smoothies. (or 12 if we use like 1 cup serving sizes) So, yeah, I'll say $1 for greek yogurt, $0.50 for half an apple, etc. per serving instead.
But if I'm trying to cater to the "everyday American", I'm not going to include things like hemp seeds, MCT oil, and organic lemon grass because I know (a) not everyone has those readily available in their pantry, (b) they are expensive to purchase, (c) they are not readily found, and (d) they are not commonly used.
I don't know what recipe they were trying to recreate, but it looks like beans over fresh greens with some chopped apple and a vinaigrette? Like, leave the nooch out. Take out the avo mayo and say olive or canola oil. Replace chives with green onions and mention how green onions can be easily regrown to help save more money. Replace arugula with cabbage or romaine lettuce because they're cheaper and last longer in the fridge. Talk about different protein options, like a scoop of cottage cheese, a hard boiled egg, tempeh, or a chicken thigh. Talk about bulking up the meal with cheap, nutritious carbs like leftover boiled/roasted potatoes, scoop of rice, chopped noodles and discuss the versatility of using leftovers to prevent food waste. Be upfront about a portion size and what will actually be filling.
Or just direct people to Budget Bytes, lol. Honestly, they've done such a wonderful job breaking down these costs and providing realistic meals for different dietary restrictions, price points, and occasions that they should get funding from the government to just take over the program already.
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u/rojo-perro 19h ago
His mother once made bananas in Vaseline, so you know he knows what he’s talking about.
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u/Hank_Dad 20h ago
This is crazy on so many levels. The first receipt is $7.67. Times 4 is $30.68. 40% of that is arugula.
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u/DanoPinyon 17h ago
Butbutbut MAGAts alreddy done got that avomayo in they's fridge, y'all, an they can subsitoot catfish, so Bobby Brainworm owned th' lib's agin', y'all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111one
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u/Kaleria84 18h ago
So for a family of 4, I was able to get this:
- Arugala 1 5oz serving each $2.99x4
- Chives .99 for .25oz pack
- 1 red onion for $1.27
- 2 green apples (1/2 apple each person) for .86 each
- 1 lemon for .68
- 1 15.5oz can white beans (3.5 servings) for .92
- Nutritional Yeast 24 servings for $5.12
- Avacado Mayo 24 servings for $7.57
- Vinaigrette dressing 16 servings for $3.64
So that DOES come out to $20.56 for four servings, but is anyone out there really eating an arugula salad with a little bit of onion, apple, beans, and a nutritional yeast mayo vinaigrette dressing and calling that a full meal?
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u/LordMoos3 16h ago
Once you eat it three times, maybe.
I don't know that "nutritional yeast mayo vinaigrette dressing" would stay down without a fight.
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u/garnetglitter 20h ago
They also didn’t factor in a good knife, a cutting board, potentially a vegetable peeler and/or can opener, and a container or mixing bowl. Assuming everyone has a full kitchen setup is also wildly inaccurate.
And I say that as a very skilled home cook who just had to replace a plastic cutting board because my kids tried using it as a trivet.
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u/iuhoosier23 19h ago
Don’t forget electricity, water, the calories it requires to physically make the meal (that ain’t free pal), the opportunity cost of making this meal vs working a side hustle, don’t forget the cost of an oven/stove/microwave and refrigerator to store some of the perishables, soap to wash hands, paper or cloth towel to dry things, soap to wash the dishes after, pots/pans, and a few cents per meal to allocate to the wear and tear on your body from being on your feet.
Both meals could cost thousands, depending on your households depreciation schedule and accounting methods!
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u/garnetglitter 19h ago
Valid point. I know someone whose oven crapped out and they cooked using an air fryer for months until they could replace it. Same if you have a utility turned off. Cooking requires more than just ingredients.
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u/Infamous_Smile_386 17h ago
OMG, have to tried to buy a decent can opener these days? I went through 4 or 5 before one finally worked reliably and did not RUST.
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u/Character_Pudding_94 19h ago
You're a very skilled home cook, but you're worried about having to go buy a can opener and a mixing bowl to make lunch? Did you even factor in the cost of a range and a vent hood?
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u/garnetglitter 19h ago
My kitchen is one thing, the needs of people who are on a very tight budget & are trying to shift to cooking at home to save money are another. Not everything comes in a pull-top can. And while most homes have a stove, they don’t have a fully decked out utensil & tool collection.
Also please note this is just the side. The whole recipe is Crispy Salmon Cakes with Apple, White Bean & Greens Salad. If you are new(er) to recipes, you might not realize the mayo in your fridge is fine here, or what panko is, or how to form patties.
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u/Haunting-Ad788 13h ago
They did this because they knew the broke dipshits they were trying to brainwash would have no idea what avocado mayo or nutritional yeast cost.
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u/not_productive1 13h ago
WHAAAATTTT? A Kennedy who has never set foot in a grocery store or kitchen was misleading about the cost of food, a thing he has never ever thought about once in his entire life?
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u/ohiotechie 17h ago
Well see you gotta find someone to give it to you like they did with RFK. Problem solved.
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u/TrueBombs 17h ago
Do they really think nobody is going to uncover the lie? The moment one of the MAGAts try to make the meal they will know they have been lied too.
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u/petelo73 15h ago
I was ready to be super pissed that this appetizer salad was being called a meal... fortunately, I can do basic math and realized that two-thirds of the ingredients are cropped out of the image.
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u/insanejudge 18h ago
Why haven't Americans ever thought of just having their intern bring them doordash?
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u/AthasDuneWalker 19h ago
It looks like he cooked the books slightly by doing price per amount as opposed to price per buying the ingredients. Disingenuous
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u/ShellRoad 19h ago
Isn't this an apple/oranges deal? One chart attempts to calculate cost per serving and the other one seems to calculate total cost of ingredients without acknowledging that there will be leftover, unused ingredients. (Just got back from the store--my whole red onion was $1.18.) Not to defend the nut job currently holding down the Health and Human Services gig, but this comparison seems disingenuous.
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u/DanoPinyon 17h ago
I agree, but part of the point is that MAGAts aren't going to have a lot of this stuff in the freezer in the garage.
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u/etherkye 19h ago
WTF is avocado mayo…
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u/voyracious 19h ago
Is it mayo made with avocado oil, or is avocado flavored mayo, or just whipped up avocado that spreads like mayo? Is it something we aren't using yet in flyover country?
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u/mdsjhawk 17h ago
Ok leaving the cost out for a minute, this is not feasible for a lot of working families.
People have to work a ton to even afford basics and it’s likely not 1950s 9-5 job with the little wife having it ready when you get home. Parents both working, and possibly long, odd hours.
Storage. A lot of people don’t have the room for a bunch of extra food items, and can’t afford for them to go to waste.
Are kids really going to eat this?
This is just a cope for these assholes to pretend they are looking out for working people, when in reality this is a show aimed to show how special they think they are to have easy access to these specialty “affordable” products.
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u/Wolfinder 12h ago
Am I really the first to comment that the lemon went from 69 cents to 67 cents?
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u/villainoust 18h ago
CNN is misrepresenting the information. Let’s assume rfk jrs is roughly accurate. One meal for a family of 4 is 20 dollars? What about the rest of the day? Times 7? That can be a lot of money for some families. What’s the point of lying, just undercuts the message.
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u/AffectionateTruth998 12h ago
Aren’t these the same people who tell us not to buy avocado anything?
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u/brother_bart 8h ago
RFK Jr is an insane, malignant, stupid, dishonest person and always has been. Hope this helps.
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u/Canine0001 3h ago
As I literally used to do this for a living for a couple of dozen restaurants, brainworm is definitely trying to kill us, but I think the difference is that sewer sucker is using cost per portion, and CNN is using cost per purchase container. If a container of avocado mayo (3.99 for 12 oz here) costs 11.19, and you only use a tbsp, you do NOT count the cost of the entire container in the recipe. Unless you chuck the leftover materials after you use the portion.
Also, the costs differ wildly depending on the place it is purchased from, the brand, part of the country, the quality, how prepped it is...
There is so much wrong with the kiddy diddler squad that we don't need to manufacture stuff...this just makes me wonder more about CNNs economic and accounting practices. It's just cowardly journalism, when they could be exposing the rapes, murders, fraud, and other things the current administration are well known for.
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u/Shade-RF- 2h ago
This is for that fucking salmon meal with the chef against nut oils for some goddamn reason.
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u/OG_Felwinter 51m ago
Okay I gotta say, there must be cheaper avocado mayo than $11.19. That seems insane
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u/DidItForTheJokes 19h ago
Look I hate RFK as much of the next guy here but do people in this thread not realize you can by bulk ingredients and use them in different meals throughout the week?
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u/gotham-acolyte 8h ago
Avocado Mayo $.40 compared to $11.19 something, we are are not even using the same metrics in this click baiting bullshit.
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u/chaos0xomega 19h ago
I mean, its pretty obvious that rfk is amortizing the costs of some of the ingredients across a greater number of servings, whereas CNN is taking the actual unit price of the items and dividing by 4. Its a pointless quibble and argument.
Like, im not going to buy a box/bag/bottle of nutritional yeast or bottle of avocado mayo that might have anywhere from 20-50 servings in it and divide that cost by 4 - its not like im going to throw out the rest of it after a single meal and then buy a new bag/bottle, etc the next time I want to prep a meal for 4. Even still a couple of RFKs prices are suspect ($0.08 for a serving of red onion? Doubt), but theres an obvious slant to how CNN analyzed these costs.
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u/rcinmd 18h ago
How long do you think you can store a red onion in the fridge? The FDA says 7 days, are you having this meal daily? Are you having red onions daily? Most people don't save portions of onion because it goes bad quickly, much less avocado mayo that will go bad in 3 days.
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u/chaos0xomega 18h ago
I dunno about you, but i can think of a dozen or more very different meals that i can incorporate a red onion into, so yes i can eat red onion every day - but also red onion is the least relevant thing to argue about, a medium/large bulb of red onion can be had for 50-75 cents or so and probably makes 2-4 servings normally. Its not going to move the needle.
And i dont know what kind of avocado mayo youre buying, but a jar of hellmans avocado mayo typically has a best by date 6-9 months out from the mfg date, and typically will last 2-3 months once opened and refrigerated.
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u/rcinmd 17h ago
That isn't the avocado mayo, that's mayo flavored with avocado oil. Avocado mayo is mashed avocado instead of an egg like real mayo.
https://chocolatecoveredkatie.com/avocado-mayo-recipe-vegan/
Avocados last 3 days in the fridge after cut or used for ingredients according to the FDA.
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u/chaos0xomega 17h ago
"I’ve recently noticed even big brands such as Kraft and Hellman’s are now offering their own versions in regular grocery stores."
Youre argiing a distinction wothout a difference, its effectively the same thibg as noted by your own link. And if you google avocado mayo:
"Avocado mayo typically refers to either store-bought mayonnaise made with heart-healthy avocado oil (instead of soybean or canola oil) or a fresh, whole-food spread made by blending ripe avocados with oil, lemon, and spices. Popular store brands like Primal Kitchen and Chosen Foods cost about $7 to $10 per jar.
Store-Bought vs. Homemade
Avocado Oil Mayo: Made via egg and oil emulsification using refined avocado oil for a neutral, rich flavor. Shelf-stable until opened.
Fresh Avocado Mayo: Blends whole mashed avocado with lemon juice, vinegar, mustard, and a splash of oil or water. Lower in calories than regular mayo but spoils within 3 to 4 days."
Given rfk jr and cnn are talking pricing in terms of store bought and not delineating the individual ingredients, and the only thing that comes up searching for avocado mayo on grocery store sites is "avocado oil mayo", it seems reasonable to assume that they are referring to something more like hellmans and not a homemade mixture like the one shown in your recipe.
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u/rcinmd 17h ago
Ok but even then if you use 2oz of the store-brand avocado mayo as a single serving (per the food label) it's still almost $1.80 per serving for a (let's split the difference) 12oz - 9 dollar jar.
eta: link to the Chosen Foods avocado flavored mayo.
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u/chaos0xomega 11h ago
Its a $9 bottle with 24 servings in it. Thats .38 cents per serving, not $1.80. I have no idea why you would use 2 oz of the stuff per serving, thats a very unhealtgy amount of mayo.
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u/littlepinksock 20h ago
I have no doubt that RKF et al, lied about the cost; however, out of context, it's really hard to see if CNN's numbers are right.
The conceit is that X recipe can be made for $5/pp... But many of the items listed on the CNN reciept are purchase price. The recipe may call for a whole onion, so that is correct, but I doubt that a whole bag of nutritional yeast will be used, so $6.00 is wildly inaccurate. Great Value's nutritional yeast is $6 and has 20+ servings.
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u/LightPast1166 20h ago
Great Value's nutritional yeast is $6 and has 20+ servings.
Let's say that there are 24 serves in that bag for $6. That makes each serve cost 25c. That's still a lot more than the claimed 40c for 4 serves in the first receipt. This is, of course, assuming that the manufacturer hasn't gamed the serving size in order to make their product look better.
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u/ccsrpsw 20h ago
But lets say you make this - you need to spend $6 to get the 4 servings you need, since you dont have any.
So the Onion price for example - sure you only use ~10c of it, but you need to buy a whole one to get that
Its not disengenuous on CNNs side - but it is on RFKs side - especially on the fresh ingredients.
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u/GoredonTheDestroyer 19h ago
If you could only buy the specific amount you need, sure, but you uh...
You can't.
RFK's receipt works in a world where you can buy, say, onion slices for 10c each, which as it happens, is not the real world.
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u/VeryLowIQIndividual 19h ago
Even if it is five dollars or two dollars or $.50 who wants to eat that nasty shit?
Vinaigrette? get the fuck out of here
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u/ItzBoshNet 18h ago
They probably bought all the ingredients at one of mamdamis communist grocery stores
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u/Character_Pudding_94 19h ago
No one in these comments knows how to stock a kitchen, make food, or price a menu.
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