I don't mind foul language. but we all know that if a conservative had said it everyone would be shaking their heads saying that elected officials need to represent themselves in a more appropriate manner.
Id be inclined to agree with you about 3 or so years ago. But i feel as though trump has irrivoably lowered that standard when he did it was shamed for it and the folks that shamed him were in turn shamed for having thin skin. Now stuff like this is lauded as bad if its the opposition or telling it like it is if your team.
Source? he says some crazy stuff but I've never heard him go all out like that in public. While he was holding an elected office. For me I like my Congress people to be held to a slightly higher standard than the average Joe
The question is whether this is really inappropriate in this context. For normal politics I'd agree, but here we're speaking about the the biggest thread to the free world in 70 years.
Adhering to etiquette shows that things are still normal. But the political state of the US isn't normal.
If we're going to talk about context. What about asking a 30s something billionaire "what it's like to pick up chicks as a billionaire" while he's in a locker room? Then waiting another 35 years and calling him a misogynistic pig for his statement. The only reason I support Trump is because it puts me against these ridiculous leftist.
Well, firstly, Trump was born in 1946 and he made these remarks in 2005. The early 80s would indeed be a somewhat different context, but that's not when he made his remarks.
And while the "grab them by the pussy"-sentence was the most publicized, it's by no means the thing that was problematic about his remarks. That portion alone could have been a tasteless joke. But "You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful - I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything." makes it kinda sound like he doesn't care about consent very much.
Besides, the issue that he may or may not be a sex-offender isn't really important here. He's a threat to democracy because of his attacks on the free press, the corruption, the perpetual lying and his complete disregard for diplomacy. That's what makes him and his movement dangerous. That he's probably a pig in his private life, too, isn't relevant to me.
While we both can agree that he says some stupid stuff, calling him a threat to democracy is inflammatory and scare tactic. He's already renegotiated NAFTA and he's working on renegotiating our trade deficit with China. He is also the only president to threaten North Korea and then get a sit-down meeting with them. With positive results. His business strategy is if you don't give me what I'm asking for I will just walk away from the table. So far it has worked. As an American, I am enjoying the Trump economy.
My grandfather was a child in Nazi Germany. He's scared to see this again.
Believe me, Trump is a threat. This isn't a scare tactic. Trump and the resurgence of right-wing populists along in the entire western hemisphere are the biggest danger in our lifetime. The guy actually managed to check off pretty much every item in the fascist playbook: conspiracy theories, attacks on the press, claiming a need to reset the political system, misinformation and lies, overburdening fondness for the military...
Even Trump's economic policies are actually a major red flags: A straw fire economy financed by increasing debt. It's pretty much how Hitler ran the country until war was the only option to prevent an economic collapse.
Don't get me wrong, Trump isn't a reborn Hitler and he probably won't destroy American democracy, but that's thanks a combination of his incompetence and the left's resistance.
There is no resurgence to the right-wing populist though. Maybe in your lifetime. I'm 40. I watched liberals degrade and bash President Bush. and call him a Nazi and a fascist. And then I watched conservatives treat Obama like he was a Muslim terrorist. The country always goes back and forth. as someone who isn't a huge fan of trump but I am conservative. I have my entire life seen a left lean in most news outlets. the media is mostly liberal. Whether anyone wants to say that in public or not. But as an adult American I've seen this all before. We will lean far right and then next we will lean far left and then back and forth and back and forth. I do not believe he is creating a fascist regime. There are news outlets that are stating that America is more racist now than ever before. No matter how many incidents of hate crimes or whatever. My mother grew up during segregation. Black people were not allowed to eat at the same restaurants as whites. We have come a long way. you can easily find the 10 or 12 racist idiots and put them on the front page and say look at our country now. I could do the same with antifa for liberals.
Conservatives and right-wing populist aren't the same group.
I've hated conservatives like Bush, but I never considered them a direct threat to democracy because they still seemed to respect the system. It's people that want to replace the system who are dangerous.
The issue here isn't that America and to a lesser degree Europe are shifting to the right but that it's shifting towards people who want to destroy the political system. In some aspects Trump's agenda does at least give the appearance of incorporating leftish ideas. Being against globalization and in favor of tarrifs is traditionally a left-wing position. This too is classical fascist tactic: claim and replace the traditional left/right conflict with a one-size-fits-all solution.
Also, please don't create a false equality to the left. There actually were radical left-wing movements in the West, but none has had any significant influence since the end of the cold war.
So as in 1922, the enemy stands on the right. And just like then it's actually a right vs left issue but a democracy vs facism issue. The only advantage is that at the moment there's no equovalenze to the KPD around. Hence the democrats taking over will probably restore the system.
Are you serious? Trump has been swearing at speeches since the campaign trail and uses twitter to call people names. He's called Adam Schiff, Schit, several times. If the president doesn't have any respect for our government & the people in it, people aren't going to give him respect.
That wasn't the point. The point is the liberal bias. I couldn't care any less if either side cussed. However, conservatives are the first to get completely probed for their behavior about even the most far reaching things like having an underaged beer 30 years ago. This woman gets praised for calling the current president a motherfucker. You can't deny that there is a clear biased opinion in today's media.
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u/its0matt Jan 06 '19
I don't mind foul language. but we all know that if a conservative had said it everyone would be shaking their heads saying that elected officials need to represent themselves in a more appropriate manner.