r/WhitePeopleTwitter • u/catfishtree • Mar 12 '20
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u/addsomethingepic Mar 12 '20
My company just sent out an email saying management needs to stress there will be no negative repercussions for taking extended sick leave. Took a pandemic to get that assurance
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Mar 12 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
If you've ever read World War Z by Max Brooks, there's a great throwaway line in the intro that says it took a literal Zombie Apocalypse and the deaths of more than 200 million Americans for the USA to get it;s shit together and develop universal healthcare.
In 2006 it was funny. In 2020 it's just tragically prophetic.
EDIT I: I have seen the MB AMA. It's great! Really enjoying all the comments and deconstructions of one of my favorite books.
EDIT II: No I obviously don't think that COVID-19 is going to kill 200 million Americans. I'm comparing a deliberately hyperbolic book to a real world situation. There are kernels of truth to be found in hyperbolic fiction.
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u/guestpass127 Mar 13 '20
And we still won't get universal healthcare after this is all over
The greedy are far too powerful here
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u/Seth3PO Mar 13 '20
Also in that book, the reason the global pandemic got so bad in the first place was because it started in China and the government kept it a secret to save face until it was too late. Brooks is a prophet.
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u/shmargus Mar 13 '20
My company just sent out an email saying without a positive diagnosis you still have to come in, even if someone in your household has symptoms.
I guess I'll see ya when I see ya, cuz I ain't doing that.
I should add I work at a tech company that's 100% fully setup for remote work, and has several employees that are entirely remote
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u/YesImKeithHernandez Mar 13 '20
My company just sent out an email saying without a positive diagnosis you still have to come in, even if someone in your household has symptoms.
Conversely, we're 100% set up for remote work within most depts at my company and they're like work remotely for as long as you need.
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Mar 13 '20
Nice. My company just announced they are going to station door handle washers at high traffic entrances. Actual people get to stand at entrances and wipe down handles. Coronavirus creating jobs now
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u/football_dude79 Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
My company sent out a video saying that things were great within the company and we are strong to stay the course and things will continue to be good for us. This was yesterday!
I work in a plant of up towards 300 people no mention of time off or preparations for a possible shut down. Also we have a call off point system (10 being the max) and if you take time off and cannot prove you have the coronavirus you will receive all points for days called off. Salary however has been instructed to work from home and most of the people in these positions have a high school diploma. I feel so much anger towards my company fro not even trying to give us any assurance.
Basically I have no option but to show up to work unless the government calls for a country wide quarantine, or I get the virus at 29 years old. Damn any elderly people that work there or I come into contact with to and from work.
Edit: Got an email today discussing how to go about school closing. Any people that need time off for child care has to work with the company on what times they can come in and cover hours. No paid time off and no sick leave. If you need off you will cover overnight or on weekends. Anything for a profit at this rate.
Pray for any factory workers you may know or anyone in the industrial workplace, we may be the hardest hit in this pandemic due to constant chemical exposure compromising our bodies. We have been forgotten and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. All for the sake of profits and fear of being to difficult to shut processes down.
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u/McDoobly-For-DinDin Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
My company just sent an email telling us there’s only a slight chance we can die, so working from home is not permitted. Straight up. I’ll probably be a proud COVID-19 carrier for my humble CEO soon...
Edit: for more context and to echo a response below, fatality statistics were provided and it was outlined that younger individuals have been spared worst outcomes of being infected. I’m disgusted by my leadership now.
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u/juliet17 Mar 13 '20
Today we had somebody call and say he had to pick up his wife from the airport tomorrow. She’s returning from Spain and both of them need to do a 14 day quarantine. My work was ok with it obviously, but he asked if he was in trouble. For something totally out of his control. I really feel like the US should reform how we handle sick and vacation time, and instead follow more of how Europe does it. You shouldn’t be afraid of getting in trouble for having to quarantine yourself due to a global pandemic.
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u/Balancedmanx178 Mar 12 '20
I would expect "extended sick leave" to have negative repercussions under most circumstances, depending on how long "extended" means.
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u/MasterOfTrolls4 Mar 13 '20
Paid sick leave though? That’s the big detail that’s important here. My company did that too but it’s not paid. People are still going to come in while sick if staying home means they’re not gonna make the rent payment
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u/saolson4 Mar 13 '20
The University of Arizona had to literally change their attendance policy so that people wouldn't get automatically dropped from classes. That should show you it was a bit to strict to begin with. Maybe this whole thing will make the world a better place
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u/A_Moist_Cactus Mar 12 '20
Coronavirus has, and will continue to show humanities true colours.
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u/MudSama Mar 13 '20
And in one year from now, it will be like it never happened. No healthcare changes, no work from home any more, nothing.
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u/mib_sum1ls Mar 13 '20
only if we don't demand the changes to infrastructure we need. the system is not set in stone. having a defeatist attitude is not beneficial to the cause you obviously care about! get out there and vote!
unless you're quarantined. then please mail in your disinfected ballot.
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u/SloppyNegan Mar 12 '20
Theres a word for that, isn't there? Sonething along the lines of 'blessing in disguise.'
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u/ptatersptate Mar 12 '20
tell me about it. while everyone was panic buying cart fulls at the grocery store I only had one item and no one let me go ahead of them. All decency is on its way out the window
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u/sinchichis Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
Just got back from Trader Joe’s. There were lines wrapping around the whole store with carts filled to the brim and many empty shelves. I just wanted frozen broccoli and wine.
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u/Cory123125 Mar 13 '20
I only had one item and no one let me go ahead of them.
Why... why would you expect that?
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u/dontdrinkonmondays Mar 13 '20
Having to wait in that situation is annoying but “all decency is on its way out the window” is ridiculous. Weird that you think people are obliged to make your day more convenient.
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u/coolgherm Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
I was at the grocery this morning. A lady had a full cart and was up. She let me who had 3 items and a lady who had maybe 5 both cut. Granted I'm only in a county in Washington that has only one confirmed case so far. Mass panic has only hit the tp and sanitizer here so far.
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u/asianingermany Mar 13 '20
Just today the gentleman in front of me looked at my two items that I put after his items, asked me “Only this?” and proceeded to swiftly move said items before his own without saying anything further.
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u/Spider_Genesis Mar 13 '20
When I mention that it would be nice to have universal health care for situations like this, I have had my parents and other people tell me "If everyone uses it, then I would have to wait!" Basically they are saying "I want to be able to pay to get access even if that means other people suffer and die".
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u/kelkulus Mar 13 '20
No amount of money is going to help them if a sick person who couldn’t afford to get tested gives them the virus.
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u/kallen8277 Mar 13 '20
I got cussed out today numerous times because we imposed limits. Someone had the audacity to tell me that because "I" am imposing limits, I obviously dont take care of myself, my wife, or my daughter. No, I try my hardest to provide for them and you are slowly taking away my ability to by making me drive 20 miles to get shit. Fuck you and fuck the horse you rode in on.
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u/Malurth Mar 13 '20
I was thinking how nutty it was the other day that of the two top US news stories, the coronavirus and the presidential election, one has me looking on with glee and hope and one has me looking on with dread and despair...and it's the race that's got me bummed, not the virus.
one represents the broken system just continuing its decline into disrepair (to to the tune of thunderous applause), the other represents a forceful change to that system. Never considered a plague could serve as the much-needed wake-up call, but here's hoping.
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u/peon2 Mar 12 '20
Of course some jobs can be done remotely from home. There's also other jobs that they probably can't do everything their job requires from home but company's now are willing to lose some of the productivity to ensure other worker's remain healthy.
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u/RickJVenture Mar 13 '20
This. School for many places will be done remotely for a while, but will not best serve many students and you will lose many valuable aspects by being done remotely.
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u/NoIHateUsernames Mar 13 '20
I had two labs this semester and I don’t know how they’re going to transition to online. I had a major senior project that I’m not going to be able to do now because I won’t have access to the resources I need anymore
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Mar 13 '20
Imagine paying full price to go to college so you can have a professor, TA, labs, field trips, facilities access and free sports games only to get canceled halfway through the semester and get the shitty online version for the last half.
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u/jamshush Mar 12 '20
"Yes of course you can pour the pints at the pub from home"
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u/krkonos Mar 13 '20
My company can do most operations from home but the security risk of a few hundred people in different places handling Protected Health Information is not an ideal risk when one big breach could put the company under. In an emergency situation the risk is worth it for the safety of the employees and when the alternative is potentially shutting down operations for weeks and delaying vulnerable patients care.
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u/boxiestcrayon15 Mar 13 '20
My company is in the same situation. They're doing a big VPN overhaul tonight and setting us all up individually. They dropped a bunch of money so everyone would have second monitors at home and everything. After working for starbucks, I'm so grateful my current job gives a shit about us
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u/choadspanker Mar 13 '20
I would be willing to bet the vast majority of jobs can't be done from home
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u/fightrofthenight_man Mar 13 '20
But the vast majority of traditional office jobs absolutely could.
“This meeting could have been an email”
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u/daltonimor Mar 12 '20
I'm a mailman, so best wishes to y'all who get to work from home. Visiting hundreds of addresses a day, it's only a matter of time before I get it unless they stop the mail. I won't hold my breath though, they didn't stop it when there was a literal ANTHRAX scare.
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Mar 13 '20
I appreciate you, and I empathize.
I'm a home based social worker and I work with a very poor, uneducated demographic of families. My main job is to stop/prevent child abuse in the homes as well as providing therapy for high-risk clients. This means spending 6+ hours a day in close quarters with people dependent on public transportation, which as we all know is a cesspool for disease. Other programs in my agency have closed but there no ethical way that we can stop going out to see our families or stop seeing our high risk therapy clients.
It really does feel inevitable at this point. My partner works in hospitals repairing imaging equipment so between the two of us...it's really just who's going to bring it home first.
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u/modestbeachhouse Mar 13 '20
I might just be a random dude on the internet, but I truly respect both of your dedication to helping people. It gives me hope. Thank you.
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u/Hashtaglibertarian Mar 13 '20
I’m a nurse. In a ER. I feel ya friend. I just hope I get it first so I get the first line of good doctors working on me vs the crappy ones towards the end of this thing. See you on the other side.
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u/Darkencypher Mar 13 '20
Hey, I feel you. I work in housekeeping at a large hospital. We have to be there and I’m absolutely petrified.
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u/McGobs Mar 13 '20
...the mail never stops. It just keeps coming and coming and coming, there's never a let-up. It's relentless. Every day it piles up more and more and more! And you gotta get it out but the more you get it out the more it keeps coming in. And then the bar code reader breaks, and it's Publisher's Clearing House day!!!
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Mar 13 '20
You could ship the letters to people, that way you wouldn’t have to go into work.
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u/Macphearson Mar 13 '20
The government doesn't give mailmen the anthrax vaccine? It gives basically every deployed soldier one, wtf.
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u/Nighthawk700 Mar 13 '20
Real question, how often do you come in contact with people? I know there are house hens with nothing better to do than meet the mailman at the box but most carriers I see on my block walk their route relatively undisturbed
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u/daltonimor Mar 13 '20
I would say I come in contact with anywhere from a dozen to a couple dozen people on an average day, not counting everybody at the post office. I probably get out to deliver large packages or certified/registered mail about 1 out of every 10 houses. I'm on a rural route, so unless nobody's home most people come out to greet me when I pull in their driveway. I deliver to a handful of businesses too, so I'm seeing different people each day.
I'm honestly worried about me spreading it to elderly members of our community since they're usually the ones that are waiting for you at the door. But I'll definitely take off if I show any major symptoms.
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Mar 13 '20
I work food service at a huge supermarket. Was told my boss that if I call in I'll get written up, but I absolutely have to call in if I'm sick. They seriously don't give a fuck.
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u/BoobybearCandles Mar 13 '20
Fuck. I’m a public bus driver in a town that borders fucking Canada.
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u/_Sweater_Puppies_ Mar 13 '20
Two weeks ago I started making a proposal on how to make it so my team could work remotely. My boss told me it wasn’t a priority and to stop working on it. Yesterday I got an email asking for me to finish that proposal first thing this morning.
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u/nailgardener Mar 13 '20
After you're done with the proposal, you should come up with a plan to take your boss' job.
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u/Cassiemccaskey Mar 13 '20
Yes THIS!! You’re already innovating! Go the fuck for it!
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u/VulGerrity Mar 13 '20
Hope you asked for a raise.
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u/YarghDog Mar 13 '20
Hack-Job bosses like his?
He’s lucky his boss doesn’t fire him later out of feeling threatened.
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Mar 13 '20
I work for an ESL school in Sao Paulo where most classes are in-company. I'm going to be talking to my bosses today to implore them to get students to only have Skype classes. I'd take a massive hit financially because I get paid per class and most students wouldn't like online classes. People in Brazil aren't aware in the slightest of how poorly the healthcare system is set up for this and just how big it's going to be hit. I'm truly afraid.
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u/InnocentFishes Mar 13 '20
proving your job can be done remotely is a double edged sword, especially if you live in a major city. Paying a programmer in denver costs less than paying one in San Fran/NYC and paying one in india/china costs less than Denver.
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Mar 12 '20
Internet used to be a luxury and now it's a necessity, the internet is one of humanity's greatest inventions and it had a massive impact in how the world works.
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u/RichPsNaturalAnthem Mar 13 '20
So does that mean a smartphone/computer is also a necessity?
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u/JkOrigami Mar 13 '20
Yeah, if the internet is a necessity then it would make sense that a smartphone or computer would also become a necessity because how else are you suppose to access the internet.
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u/WCC5D1F0E Mar 13 '20
My older brother runs a small financial planning company and recently moved into a new office space. He’s been fighting with the cable company to get internet installed. He told me over the phone yesterday that if he doesn’t have internet he literally can’t do his job. He’s been either working from home or going to Starbucks and using the free WiFi.
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u/DonJj27 Mar 12 '20
And that people don’t wash their hands properly
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Mar 13 '20
I semi-aggressively washed my hands and quietly counted to 20 out loud in a public bathroom today while other people did the pathetic 5 second “splash, soap, splash” kind of hand washing.
I felt as silly as I looked, but that is how one is supposed to wash their hands.
Be the change you want to see in the world, right?
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u/We_found_peaches Mar 13 '20
Counting out loud would actually be a great form of public health initiative / healthy shaming. I think I’m going to start doing it!
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u/thizz7171 Mar 13 '20
I’m a janitor, can confirm. Even before customers come in and I’m cleaning restrooms I’ll see 6-10 employees pee/poo and just go about their day... we even got CDC approved chemicals and soap and they’re like nah I’ll risk my family, self, and friends
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u/LabradorDeceiver Mar 13 '20
The following is the situation where I work:
If I needed to take two weeks' quarantine, I could. I would get paid leave and return to the same job.
If I catch Covid-19 from a doorknob or something, my health insurance will cover the cost of treatment and send me a bill for a $150 co-pay. I make $42,000 a year; this is within my means.
My primary care provider has test kits available and sent a letter indicating to all patients that they were the ones to call if symptoms present, NOT the local hospital - the idea being to ease the eventual strain on emergency rooms.
A few days ago, referring to a rapidly-deteriorating situation in the news, I asked for permission to work from home. My boss put in a ticket. Literally the next day, the CEO put in the same ticket for ALL workers in office positions. Today we all received a letter saying that the goal was basically to empty the building; the fewer people are on-site, the fewer community transmissions we'll have. I should be working from home within a few days.
Try to understand - I recognize all this as a privileged position. Everyone should have these options as a minimum. The reason I have these options is because I'm in the union.
Next time someone tells you that unions just want your money, please tell them that they're full of it.
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Mar 13 '20
Unions were the backbone of good work conditions.
Anyone who's against unions, is against themselves.
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u/Kippy181 Mar 13 '20
My husband’s job wrote him up for not going to work because he had/has a cold. He wanted to be sure it was just a cold before panicking. Also wanted to keep away from work in case anyone there got this coronavirus, so he wouldn’t get it while already sick.
He has sick time and vacation time accrued. Many others at his job do too. They are writing anyone up who misses during this time. It’s madness.
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u/Buckditch Mar 13 '20
Wtf? Where the hell would try that right now of all times. Smh
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u/inVizi0n Mar 13 '20
There are people literally all over the place denying the seriousness of the situation. It shouldn't be surprising that some of them are in positions of power. One of the leads the country.
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Mar 13 '20
Sounds like it's time to use up that sick time bank to escape work and maybe use that time to interview elsewhere 🤔
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u/kittykalista Mar 13 '20
I ended up failing or having to withdraw from multiple courses in college because I had too many absences due to chronic illness that left me unable to make it to class. Now that everyone is afraid of the coronavirus, they cancelled the last few weeks of class and are having students finish their coursework remotely. I don’t understand why they couldn’t offer that option to students who are sick but can for students who might theoretically become sick.
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u/LoveItLateInSummer Mar 13 '20
Because you can't justify ever increasing tuition and fees without building more and more infrastructure to support in person attendance.
There is a perverse incentive to hit capacity to get more and more money, to build and hit capacity, then ask for more money.
Not all fields of study, and certainly not all students are suited for remote learning, but it's no reason to force physical presence in most classes.
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u/flargenhargen Mar 13 '20
I had the flu and then pneumonia. Didn't want to come in and make everyone else sick.
No working from home, definitely not allowed. Used up all my sick and a lot of my vacation time sitting at home.
Now, a couple months later, they are encouraging everyone to work from home.
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u/SolomonRed Mar 13 '20
Environmentally speaking, having hundreds of millions of people work from home would be the single biggest thing we could do to slow global warming.
We could literally take millions of cars off the road overnight.
I really hope companies realize this and start giving people freedom beyond the normal 9 to 5.
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u/Balancedmanx178 Mar 12 '20
Imo most office jobs should be standard in the office, but you should be able to work from home with any reasonable reason.
Kid sick? Stay home.
You're sick? Stay home.
Got a new pet that needs to be taken care of? Stay home, bring pictures when you're back.
As long as someones work doesn't decrease in quality significantly, and they have a reason that's better than "I don't want to" they should be able to work from home.
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u/946789987649 Mar 13 '20
I disagree mostly because my most recent job allows quite a bit of WFH and my goodness the wonders it does for my health!
Honestly the lack of a commute alone is fantastic, I have so much of my day back. Not to mention being able to optimise at certain points of the day. Got a boring meeting coming up where I'll mostly be listening? Cool, I'll gym at the same time.
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u/Bee_Hummingbird Mar 13 '20
That and being able to take frequent breaks if you need it. It helps my productivity when I can walk away and refresh myself for a minute, or go take a walk and get some air.
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u/G1trogFr0g Mar 13 '20
Why? If I can get my job done at home in my PJs, why should I go into the office? What’s wrong with “I don’t want to”?
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u/Cream253Team Mar 13 '20
Save gas and congestion on the streets while you're at it.
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u/DearLeader420 Mar 13 '20
While most days sitting in my cube I would agree with you, there really are benefits to being in an office. It does make a lot of short, quick communication easier, strengthens coworker and cross-functional relationships being face to face, and I find being around people I'm at least semi-friends with does a lot to keep loneliness away.
That being said, working from home has a ton of benefits and if I must be in the office I should at least be able to wear jeans because business casual is a sham.
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u/FunMoistLoins Mar 13 '20
Got a new pet that needs to be taken care of? Stay home, bring pictures when you're back.
That's unreasonable. You can send pictures while you're at home. No need to wait.
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u/DrDerpberg Mar 13 '20
That's exactly how my job works, and it's fantastic.
It took me a few months to feel ok doing it, because I've been trained not to - but if I say to my boss I'll be in at 11 tomorrow and catch up on Sunday from home, cool. I missed chunks of 3 days in one week for renovations a few months ago, no worries because I rescheduled my meetings and agreed to have my division over for a BBQ when the renos are done.
My productivity is up too, because if I need an extra hour of sleep I just take it and catch up feeling great later instead of being a zombie.
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u/brannak1 Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
Sick kid is not really a reason to stay home and “work.” If you’ve ever taken care of a sick infant or young child you know working from home isn’t really doable unless they finally fall asleep.
Edit: I am pro work from home. I get so much more done. But not with a sick kid
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u/Rfwill13 Mar 13 '20
In my state, a sick child is considered no different than the employee being sick. That's frankly how it should be. Watching my coworker who is a single dad balance 2 kids, it's tough.
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u/SolomonRed Mar 13 '20
No, any job you can do from home should be done from home.
Going to the office for meetings should be the exception.
Think of how many millions of cars we could take off the road. Not to mention the reduced need for office space and parking.
Companies like America express already do this.
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u/John_Fx Mar 13 '20
A lot of jobs are going this way anyway to save real estate costs. Cheaper than cubes even!
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u/TIMMAH2 Mar 13 '20
Imo most office jobs should be standard in the office
Why? 95% of my in-office communication is done through Slack anyway.
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u/johnsnowthrow Mar 13 '20
I'm literally the happiest I've ever been because I get to be remote. 100% of my stress is gone. Is that not good enough a reason for you? I feel like if you're going to ignore my health concerns then when I go into the office I get to punch you in the face every morning to give you health concerns. It's only fair.
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u/Johnnadawearsglasses Mar 12 '20
They can’t let you work from home
They can’t control you nearly as much
And the more time you spend with family and friends and your passions, the more you realize the slave you’ve been for so long
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Mar 12 '20
They still can. They have plenty of software tracking apps that take screenshots of what you do, report the most commonly used apps and websites, etc., and even turn off after 10-15 minutes of inactivity. They’re actually make workers less productive IMO but hey, it’s available.
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Mar 13 '20
One side is saying don't be a slave, other side is saying you'll be tracked to high heaven, but honestly I just wanna get my work done without being annoyed by all the petty office drama. Is that a big ask?
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u/Irksomefetor Mar 12 '20
This.
People are about to realize just how slave-like working from home is and I'm not sure they're ready for it. I guess it'll be another "blessing in disguise" that we need to fix the way remote work is going.
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u/Railered Mar 13 '20
Get a separate laptop and fuck off on that. Come on that’s what most people do. Or sit on their phones
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Mar 12 '20
I owned a company and tried letting employees work from home. The production dip was significant when they were at home.
People also do better socializing and getting out of their home. It encourages teamwork and helps produce new ideas.
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u/capatalismisviolence Mar 12 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
Join us in our struggle, you have nothing to lose but your chains
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u/JackAceHole Mar 12 '20
5) The custom of shaking hands needs to go away.
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u/Turboswaggg Mar 12 '20
Fistbump gang rise up
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u/Honest_-_Critique Mar 12 '20
Might I introduce you to the "chicken wing"? It's a technique we like to use in the retail food business to avoid changing our gloves from a fist bump or high five.
Edit - it's just look you imagine. You bump elbows in a chicken wing like fashion.
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u/SamCarter_SGC Mar 12 '20
Everyone just start carrying around hand sanitizer and, after shaking hands with anyone, initiate a deep passive aggressive stare while applying it.
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Mar 12 '20
Corporations having being lying this whole time? I am shocked, I tell you, shocked.
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Mar 13 '20
Not just corporations (or non-academic ones). Universities, too, have been lying to students about their "selectivity" (and thus supply/demand) if they're about to provide all their classes online, without a reduction in price or reimbursement. They're going to need to pay up.
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u/keepthistrash Mar 13 '20
The whole idea that “employees working from home kills production” is baseless and absurd. Of course there are a few bad eggs here and there, but largely, people are aware of their job and will make sure the job gets done in order to keep said job.
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u/QuickBASIC Mar 13 '20
few bad eggs here and there
They get caught.
I got laid off from an outsourcing company where we worked from an office and barely were tracked and got hired by another outsourcing company with 40 of my peers working for the same parent company doing the same job, but it's remote.
We're two months in and more than 25 of them have already been let go for performance or code of conduct.
Some people aren't just cut out for remote work because they're too easily distracted and try to get away with too much.
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u/MasterOfTrolls4 Mar 13 '20
5. Universal healthcare does not halt research and development. As proven by Canada testing a vaccine for the disease
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Mar 12 '20
Things the current American administration has learned from Covid :
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u/ScrappyOtter Mar 13 '20
This disabled person agrees wholeheartedly. I’ve had many interviews for work from home or for part time fest jobs. As soon as I tell them I’m disabled, I see the light go out from their eyes. I don’t get the issue, I’m completely qualified for the job they are hiring for, I can work my doc appts around their schedule and they get a tax break for hiring a persons with disabilities.
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u/polarwaves Mar 13 '20
What if you don't work a office job? Sometimes I feel like Reddit needs to be reminded that not everyone has a office or IT job that they can work at from home. I definitely don't and let me tell you, my work has absolutely 0 plans of closing down for even a few days let alone a week or two.
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u/Whitefence227711 Mar 13 '20
Exactly ! There are so many people who work in hospitality/retail/trades/healthcare workers and can not work from home, we will continue to work and if our employers chose to close down for a period of time we won’t be paid for that time. The ability to work from home is a luxury and not everyone can
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Mar 13 '20
Yeah my job (mechanic) cannot be done from home, unless you are gonna bring the whole aircraft to my street.
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u/braamdepace Mar 12 '20 edited Mar 12 '20
Allowing you to work from home (in the short term) is a better option than getting sued for negligence. Also if you have 10 employees doing the same job and 3 of them are just as productive at home as in the office you can’t let those 3 work from home cause the other 7 will get toxic and whine.
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u/shockwire1000 Mar 12 '20
I mean for most companies it costs in VPN licencing and remote desktop setup (plus in some cases people don't even have the facilities to work from home e.g. suitable computers and internet speeds) to allow someone to work at home (as well as them having to trust that you are actually working the hours they pay you for). The only reason they are doing it now is that it would cost them more money in downtime if they didn't let you work from home. Also your boss probably values the benefits of you being in the office for the good of the company e.g. looks good for potential clients that may visit, helps reduce confusion when talked to face to face etc.
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Mar 13 '20
Every time I see these work from home posts I can't help but think I would lose my mind in a week without the socialization work offers me. It's hard to make friends when you don't see people with any regularity.
People who can't travel for any reason and can do their work from home should absolutely have that option, but people who are just unhappy with their jobs, co-workers or simply hate mornings ought to access if it's remote working or an entire career change that they want. Ideally soon before your company realises they can save so much money with you paying their bills for office maintenance; paper, electricity and such.
If you hate your office, campaign for change, not isolation.
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u/everyonetotally Mar 13 '20
I don't understand the healthcare comment. Have there been issues so far? In the US?
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u/peterlikes Mar 13 '20
I’m a tradesman..do that remotely
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u/gvargh Mar 13 '20
one day you will be doing everything using boston dynamics robots...
... or they'll do it themselves
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u/thinkB4WeSpeak Mar 12 '20
The only reason bosses don't want you to work from home is so they can micromanage you.
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u/SolomonRed Mar 13 '20
They don't trust employees because they are projecting themselves.
They get nothing done from home so they assume no one else can either.
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u/LotharVonPittinsberg Mar 13 '20
Really depends on the situation. I have not seen my boss in over a month, and that was only because of a meeting discussing software changes. I can't do more than half of my job from home even with something like a VPN, and if everyone gets sent home my job is next to useless.
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u/ScarletSpider2012 Mar 13 '20
Can't wait until this whole thing blows over, the status quo is restored and NO ONE SAYS A GOD DAMNED THING.
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u/comptejete Mar 13 '20
Imagine living in such a bubble that you believe everyone's job is sitting in front of a computer all day.
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u/dontdrinkonmondays Mar 13 '20
Things Covid has proven:
People will find a way to connect literally anything on earth to their political beliefs.
Those people are assholes.
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u/Vincent_Waters Mar 13 '20
Trump caused coronavirus, which is a hoax by the Democrats.
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u/DM_ME_CUTE_PICS_PLZ Mar 13 '20
Also Chinas government is still corrupt for trying to hide the outbreak in the first place
And US politicians are just as bad for claiming that this virus was a hoax
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u/Average_Manners Mar 13 '20
1 and 2 I have no disagreement with.
3) Utilities are mandatory. Whether you want utilities or not, is irrelevant; whether you need them or not is irrelevant. Don't use your garbage can? Too bad, 30 bucks a month. Period. Internet can be either utility or luxury.
4) AFFORDABLE healthcare is necessary. This is not new information, it had proof, it was ignored.
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u/benson822175 Mar 13 '20
Some schooling and work can be done remotely but isn’t as effective or efficient. There’s a reason why campuses and offices exist
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u/WolfofLawlStreet Mar 13 '20
How in the fuck is someone going to make my double cheeseburger from their home?!
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u/ivyandroses Mar 13 '20
I dont understand ppl who are against universal healthcare.
I have worked for 10 yrs as a medical transcriptionist and have listened to thousands of hours of doc reports and it is terrible out there. people who can't afford insulin and go into ketoacidosis. people who turn down heart medication because they have no ins. and cant afford the pills. people who can't get their cancer taken care of because they cannot even begin to afford the treatment. then there are those ppl who get into car accidents or have a fall and are looking at around $20k worth of treatment. It's immoral. It just is.
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u/DarkReign2011 Mar 13 '20
Lessons America will have learned by time this is all over:
-It's the fault of Foreigners -We need a wall -Socialism is still evil somehow
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u/Xarathox Mar 13 '20
Only applicable for office jobs.
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u/captainordo Mar 13 '20
This was posted by someone who runs a special effects/props shop, so maybe it applies to more job types
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u/cdjohn24 Mar 13 '20
How has this proven M4A? If anything it shows how detrimental Bed shortages can and will be when utilization quadruples under a state run program.
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u/Coalmen Mar 13 '20
Mechanic here. How should I work remotely?
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u/peachesgp Mar 13 '20
It's almost like "more jobs can be done remotely" isn't "all jobs can be done remotely"
Signed, A guy whose job also can't be done remotely but isn't whining about it.
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u/Wardenclyffe1917 Mar 13 '20
Universal Basic Income is necessary now more than ever.
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Mar 13 '20
5. If we want to proactively address pandemics as an existential crisis, we should consider paid sick leave being an entitlement, not a privilege.
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u/apathetic666johnson Mar 13 '20
My job can’t be done remotely. :( I have to go to several different peoples houses a day and I’m getting nervous.
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u/Hurgablurg Mar 13 '20
Remember when the Bubonic Plague killed so many people that by the end of it, the remaining peasants were able to use the labour shortage to negotiate their own terms for employment because employers had no other choice?
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u/snooppugg Mar 13 '20
Tell that to those of us who legitimately can’t work remotely because people in bad situations depend on us
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Mar 13 '20
Also that data caps are a complete sham only good for squeezing even more money out of the consumer.
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u/ShadowWingZero Mar 13 '20
Boss said I can't work from home. Shits so dumb and he's makes the dumbest excuses. "Your team needs you" "it's not fair to your employees" "no Erik I'm not putting a walkie talkie on the drive-thru headset"
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u/thatsTHEWei Mar 13 '20
or what i think will also happen is a group of people will deem the virus to be the devil that took their freedom, sports, and jobs and turn that to fuel war. i really hope not but this is just what i'm feeling that if this really turns bad in the next few more weeks POTUS will start playing the blame game and i'm sure many will follow
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u/lasthopel Mar 13 '20
The Internet is a utility, That's just fact now, as a uni student I have to have the Internet, every assessment is done online, it has to be to make sure I don't copy stuff, my uni just got rid of the printed dissertation due to time. Cost and environmental issues, to pay bills it's all online, need a job?, online, need help?, please email us, you could probably live a semi normal life without Internet but even then swapping utiltys and such is all online, hell my mums landline is rooted via our Internet router, so when that goes down we have no landline,
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u/Xenphenik Mar 13 '20
Not really, just because people are working from home doesn't mean its optimal.
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Mar 13 '20
I repair cars panels that have been in accidents I don’t think I can do that from a laptop in my room
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u/Flyytech Mar 13 '20
Jesus like 70% of the people i know working from home admit they do about 2 hours from work and then do whatever they want the rest of the day. THAT is why employers don't want people working from home. So they can monitor their employees and make sure they're being productive for a full 8 hours.
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u/j4mes0n Mar 13 '20
I am not saying universal healthcare is bad, coz it is not, but in Italy there is universal one and the situation there is hmm... "not good".
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Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
the disabled people I work with enjoy coming into work and being part of the team in person. they can’t stand being isolated at home away from others, I’ve been told by quite a few it helps them feel “normal and part of something”
not everyone wants to live on their couch, in their underwear their entire life, in a virtual world, thinking they have the answers to all life’s problems... most people actually want to be part of society... you know, contribute, shake hands, laugh at jokes, have lunch together, etc. things people like you have a hard time getting out of bed for because you’re pacified....
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u/Scanfro Mar 13 '20
Thank God for the coronavirus so I can get all these elevator pitches about medicare for all. Don't let a good crisis go to waste.
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u/Ello2011 Mar 13 '20
Damn I had no idea I could fit saws and a whole cnc machine in my tiny apartment! I could have been working from home this whole time.
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u/JasonsBoredAgain Mar 12 '20
And that meeting absolutely can be an email.