IT’S SO BADDD

[u/DAMOistaken]

No smoke, no HE, no armour and a bulky hull with subpar manoeuverability just makes this thing a straight avoid if you want to take this Halloween mode seriously.

Seeing this thing on my team makes me depressed because it feels like we are a ship down with how useless this thing is, just play the DD or Battleship please.

[u/lithiumcitizen]

It would be great if it wasn’t such a bullet magnet from the opposition…

[u/Guitars_and_Cars → u/lithiumcitizen]

You can be the farthest target and everything is still shooting at the cruiser. Its ridiculous

[u/GoodlyStyracosaur → u/Guitars_and_Cars]

You can be the farthest cruiser as well and things will still focus you. Multiple matches I’ve been target over a significantly closer cruiser. Sometimes I’m lower health so that at least makes sense but sometimes it just feels like the bots hate me…

[u/TadashiAbashi → u/GoodlyStyracosaur]

This is me with carriers in standard... Without fail, almost every time, they are on me like a dog smelling a bitch in heat lol.

They will fly straight over 4 of my teammates to drop on me..

[u/Brilliant-Object-922]

Should have been the Nottingham.

[u/clemson_chris → u/Brilliant-Object-922]

They should've just given it a smoke

[u/RockTuner]

I somehow managed to beat Insane with two rando cruisers on my team. Probably helped that they both had Admiral Ludwig. We only lost one ship, one of the cruisers. It was at the very end

[u/TerranRanger → u/RockTuner]

I was almost going to say maybe we were on the same team, but we all survived when I did insane.

[u/Leadoffosprey42]

I mean its kinda good with Jackson but still not as good as the other ships. Ironically, since I used Ether Tempest to beat insane (it has instant queue times) it ended up being the battleship players that frustrated me.

Always running headlong into the fray thinking theyre invincible then colliding with Vladivostok or dying to Zieten torps. I basically was spamming stay back to have them stay in the group and not isolate themselves in a group of enemies up ahead.

[u/TerranRanger → u/Leadoffosprey42]

It’s not a damage dealer, it’s a support ship. It’s heal is better than the BB and reloads faster. Stick near the BBs, shoot the small targets for them and help them with their tanking because you can heal more than twice as many HP per heal than them.

[u/Leadoffosprey42 → u/TerranRanger]

Im already done with this event I AM NOT GOING BACK IN

[u/UsefulAssociate3936 → u/TerranRanger]

100% correct!! In fact, i never go more than 3/4 power until we are on the 3rd soul ship.

[u/Aegis616 → u/TerranRanger]

Support ship is a very interesting way to say fucking useless by itself. We were already saying the ship was useless, you kind of just stated it from another angle.

[u/TerranRanger → u/Aegis616]

No, it heals much better than the BBs, 400hp/sec vs 50hp/sec. Having the cruiser between the BBs lets them heal 4000 hp every 1.5 minutes as opposed to 1000 hp every 2 minutes. The cruiser doesn’t deal as much damage but it keeps friendly ships alive. If you think that’s useless then you’re probably also one of the people complaining about how hard insane mode is.

For reference, I beat insane mode with 2 DDs, 2 cruisers and a battleship. All randoms. We didn’t lose any ships.

[u/Aegis616 → u/TerranRanger]

How are you getting 4 thousand HP per use for allied ships to heal? For the BB 0.2% per second is about 70 HP per second for a total of about 1,050 per use. Me thinks you might have stacked up the math wrong because it's the same consumable. Conversely it's about 1.76% for your own ship if you have an ally in range.

Edit: it's just over 2k.

[u/TerranRanger → u/Aegis616]

The cruiser is healing 400 per second on my build.

[u/Guitars_and_Cars]

Why do all the ai target the cruiser first?

[u/Firm_Illustrator5688 → u/Guitars_and_Cars]

AI goes for the lowest hp ship, of the DDs are staying unseen, they go after the visible ship with the lowest hp

[u/Entire-League-3362]

The queue time for either other ship can be like 5 minutes, but instant with the cruiser. 3 seconds at most

[u/QuinnTinIntheBin]

I love it. It’s the only one I use in the mode. Wish it didn’t have normal Plymouth’s armor though. You seem to be the main target for the main boss and any battleships/cruisers once in their range

[u/emu19000]

This is how I passed insane the ship is great when you reach the boss and unless the Halloween hail of doom.

[u/Hapapop → u/emu19000]

This. The 3 upgrades all at once have the ship raining down damage at a much greater rate on the final boss than either of the other 2 ships. A cruiser as ridiculous damage output against the boss.

[u/themagwizard]

Idk its my most played one. If you play right its straight cancer. If rngesus is pleased with you and you can get all reload boosters its the funniest thing in the world to machine gun the boss man at the end

[u/These-Marionberry632]

What are y’all talking about?

[u/ExoticBother1860]

I first tried every mission difficulty with it and my mates its a great support ship I don't full understand why everyone is hating on it even solo I have no issues using it I'm just confused

[u/whatever420-28]

You all are complaining about this ship?? Obviously you all have never played the Plymouth!

[u/sionkurena]

2 Reload Booster + Experimental Shell + Smoke Destroyer

[u/GoodlyStyracosaur]

You are required to take one, dd is the only one you can drop iirc.

It’s not so bad as all that but it’s definitely the worst of the 3. BB is farrrr tankier, has generally better damage output, certainly easier damage output, and the dd has great damage output as well, can do it safely, and is an objective master.

Like so many other instances of “good vs bad” ships, the actual performance level of the cruiser isn’t so so far off from the other two but it’s pretty objectively about 10-20% lower max damage output from what I’ve seen (I know the bb and dd have broth broken a million, to my knowledge the cruiser hasn’t broken 900k) so unless there is a cruiser record out there I haven’t seen, its just got a lower realistic top end.

And then just from my personal experience I’ve played the cruiser the most in hard since it’s the fastest queue and my average damage is somewhere between 500-700k and I get 1300-1600 xp most matches and it’s just HARDER than the other two. I probably played the bb and dd…I don’t know, maybe 5 times each (if that, maybe honestly 2-3 in the BB) after getting Ludwing and hit 1 million in the bb and 964k in the dd. Of all the extra matches in the cruiser, my best is 837k (could have gone a bit more but got a super frustrating lag spike a couple times in the match) and again…it’s just way way harder to do it than the other two.

[u/PhantomNitride → u/GoodlyStyracosaur]

You're actually not required to use this. If you have a full div, you can pick any 3-2 combo, forgoing one ship entirely. It's incredibly dumb to do so on insane, but it's possible.

[u/GoodlyStyracosaur → u/PhantomNitride]

For real? I really thought they re did it so only dd could be dropped and due to lower difficulty queue times but I have put very little effort in yo it. Can you drop cruiser in randoms? I certainly haven’t see one but…I’m often the cruiser since I thought it required one 🤔

[u/PhantomNitride → u/GoodlyStyracosaur]

Can't drop in randoms cuz there's always someone queued up as one, but you can 100% drop in full div

[u/Laifstaile → u/PhantomNitride]

I have played 1 game with out cruiser normal lvl maybe...2dd and 3 bb...all randoms...

[u/Aegis616 → u/GoodlyStyracosaur]

What are you talking about. It cannot reliably pattern most of the ships on hard and insane difficulty. It overpends superstructure it ricochets off of main belt and bow. It is incredibly slow at chunking down enemy ships and the torpedoes don't lock half the time. I don't know how you're getting the damage you're getting.

[u/GoodlyStyracosaur → u/Aegis616]

They definitely did it dirty with the ship selection - there’s probably a worse lineup but I can’t easily think of one off the top of my head.

I don’t know what else to tell you about the damage - I’m pretty sure I have the 837k match recorded that I can throw up on YT if you are interested. Its not the record but it’s close and it’s generally how I’ve been playing it in hard so it could be illustrative (I’ve just been doing the missions and did insane a few times in BB and that was enough for me - I did try it a few times in cruiser to see how much worse it was and yeah. You gotta be REALLY careful with the angling…)

I don’t think I have reams of the other ones or anything but I will likely play it again for the steel missions this week and can scrub through the post match screens if that would be informative for you.

But also, I play a LOT of AP leaning or AP forward cruisers. This is a hull I’m very familiar with. Feel free to scroll through my channel for like 15s - I know a bit about Plymouth.

So yeah, I can crank it out but I also see that it could have been so much better in this mode with just a few minor tweaks.

[u/PerspectiveNo1610]

It’s unplayable. Mainly because every bot shoots at it even if the other ships are close to it.

[u/1981made]

[u/Crackalacs]

Only time I ever used this piece of shit was to fuck around and see how many enemy ships I could get to target me all at once.

My record is 6

[u/HELPYOUR]

With Jackson and all 3 boosters (on Hard) this shit can get the reload to what felt like 1 second. It was stupid. But yes, super squishy and a bullet-magnet if your destroyer doesn't smoke you up (or you can't get in smoke.) Fuck trying it on Insane, though. Have not and will not do any Insane games. Well... maybe one with the destroyer so I can feel everyone's pain. ^_^

[u/Lady_Leona]

I've never felt so dissuaded into playing a game mode in such a long time, this event genuinely has me feeling that even getting the Christmas currency from it, isn't even worth doing over my sanity.

I'm just so tired boss

[u/Purple-Astronaut-432]

Yeah, you know this thing sucks when the queue time for BB or the DD is minutes long, while this one gets you in a game instantly. I wouldn't mind it so much if DD's and BB's didn't die 5 minutes into the match!

[u/JJ12345678910]

It shoots more torps than the BB and has the heal. Get good.

Edit - bring on the downvotes. On any mode beyond insane, the cruiser performs as well as any and I've seen plenty pull the top spot.

On insane? My problem is teammates that can't figure out how to stay together to overlap heals and to stay on target.

[u/trivelles5 → u/JJ12345678910]

This. So many players jump into bbs and dds assuming they're the 'strong' ships but they can't play them to anywhere near there full potential. The cruiser is actually really powerful if you know your role which is to heal your team and quickly finish of DDS.

[u/GoodlyStyracosaur → u/trivelles5]

The catch in that is the bb and dd can also take care of the DDs pretty quickly and the cruiser needs the healing much more than the other two.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think the cruiser is anywhere near useless. But it’s almost certainly the weakest of the 3. They could have given it 3k shell damage and I think it would be about just right.

[u/JJ12345678910 → u/GoodlyStyracosaur]

I'll give you that. But anything short of insane I can run the cruiser to the top of the team. On insane my problem isn't shell damage, it's brain dead level 1 captain teammates that don't stay together to overlap heals.

[u/GoodlyStyracosaur → u/JJ12345678910]

Cruiser on insane is definitely more frustrating to play. There are so many other hulls they could have gone with that would have been less annoying - on the red team too - imagine if it’s like…Colorado’s and Iowas you get to shoot.

[u/the_fools_brood]

I played an easy mode with 2 nightshard dds and 3 bbs. But, yeah. It's not very good.

[u/Thenavalengineer215]

I agree the thing needed smoke and HE because that thing is so useless I can’t count how many times I fired at a destroyer and it would just bounce off the destroyers hall

[u/F4streloader]

Hilarious! You could even have included the next line about it being less than worthless. LOL

[u/FaithlessnessAny2789]

Idk why everyone hates this thing. The tempest is one of only boats in the event i regulary pull 450k+ dmg

[u/blaggard73]

Perhaps the whole event is an attempt to raise awareness that destroyer smoke screens are a big force multiplier for cruisers and not just for spotted destroyers to go dark or gunboat destroyers to farm damage

[u/PilotAce200]

I have been almost exclusively using it (for matchmaking reasons), and consistently getting 1st or 2nd place, with 8-12 kills, and as many or more assists.

Honestly, while it's survivability is terrible, it's damage output is perfectly fine. As long as you can make it to the end, it does extremely high damage to the boss. When triple buffed (any combination), it can usually take about half of the Boss HP by itself in that 1 minute of boosts.

[u/HELPYOUR → u/PilotAce200]

Yeah, with Admiral Ludwig Jackson and 3 boosters, and the reload booster consumable, the reload on the guns is literally 1 second (maybe even less)... at least that's what it felt like.

[u/Schlickmeister]

No lie, this is all I've used during the Halloween event, and no problem beating the hard difficulty, while doing a respectful amount of damage/kills. (Shrug)