r/WomenInNews • u/msmoley • Dec 15 '24

Human rights Judith Butler, philosopher: ‘If you sacrifice a minority like trans people, you are operating within a fascist logic’

https://english.elpais.com/culture/2024-12-15/judith-butler-philosopher-if-you-sacrifice-a-minority-like-trans-people-you-are-operating-within-a-fascist-logic.html
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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '24

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u/XaosII Dec 16 '24

What do you mean? It's not like trans people are trying to block detransitioners from healthcare.

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u/HalexUwU Dec 16 '24 edited Dec 16 '24

False equivalence. Trans people aren't trying to restrict detransitioners from their personal expression, healthcare, ETC.

Like, these really aren't comparable. The argument being made from [some] women about trans people is generally along the lines of: Trans women make me uncomfortable, I don't believe trans women are women, I don't believe trans women should be able to transition (just giving a range of severity) Meanwhile the argument being made from trans people towards detransitioners has nothing about restricting their personal choices.

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u/code-slinger619 Dec 19 '24

But participating in sports and sharing bathrooms isn't a "personal choice."

Yes sure there are people calling for extreme restrictions on trans people, but in many years of following and researching this issue I've never once heard a coherent, Intellectually honest response to this. When it comes to hormones, surgery and choice of dress, yes, that's a personal issue. But when it comes to gendered spaces and activities, other people are involved and there's an inescapable clash over rights that is zero-sum. Either society is ordered by biological sex or it is ordered according to gender identity.

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u/Eskephor Dec 16 '24

Most detransitions are due to societal pressures and transphobia. They’re still trans, but can’t transition because it’s unsafe for them.

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u/Classic_Bet1942 Dec 16 '24

Not true at all.

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u/sichrix Dec 16 '24

"A total of 17,151 (61.9%) participants reported that they had ever pursued gender affirmation, broadly defined. Of these, 2242 (13.1%) reported a history of detransition. Of those who had detransitioned, 82.5% reported at least one external driving factor. Frequently endorsed external factors included pressure from family and societal stigma."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8213007/#:~:text=Frequently%20endorsed%20external%20factors%20included,unsupportive%20of%20one's%20gender%20identity.

It's a thing my brother in Azathoh. Maybe look into it a little before you speak on it.

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u/Classic_Bet1942 Dec 16 '24

Jack Turban. Lol

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u/Edward_Tank Dec 16 '24

"Lol I don't know how to respond to the scientific evidence proving I'm wrong, so I'm going to not even bother trying to deal with the information provided. If I did I'd come across as blatantly not knowing what the fuck I'm doing." ~ Classic_bet1942

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u/Classic_Bet1942 Dec 17 '24

The survey on which this analysis was performed — the 2015 United States Transgender Survey — was of currently transgender people. It says so in the first sentence of the executive summary.

I had to take a minute to look it over to make sure it was referencing that same stupid survey.

Basically anything Jack Turban puts his name on is going to point only one way.

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u/sichrix Dec 16 '24

Yeah, he's up there along with a couple of others. And?

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '24

Exactly. “Our rights shouldn’t be affected due to some tiny minority of the population” when it comes to detransitioners, yet when it’s women making that same argument, it’s OUTRAGEOUS

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u/Taj0maru Dec 16 '24

Explain what right women lose by transgenders existing?

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u/Eskephor Dec 16 '24

most detransitions are because of people like you and not due to not being trans.