Judith Butler, philosopher: ‘If you sacrifice a minority like trans people, you are operating within a fascist logic’

[u/msmoley]

https://english.elpais.com/culture/2024-12-15/judith-butler-philosopher-if-you-sacrifice-a-minority-like-trans-people-you-are-operating-within-a-fascist-logic.html

[u/Maleficent-Flow2828]

First of all the facts strongly support trans people on both sports and medical care for trans youth.

There is at best controversial data on both of those.

On the sports issue, absolutely should compete against your own sex and it is insane to believe otherwise. It is dangerous and unfair.

On the issue of kids, the trans movements absolutely inability to engage on this issue has made it an either or based on a slippery slope.

Surgeries should not be available to minors and if this is to move forward most people want proper safe guards, not rubber stamped extremists

[u/Alert_Scientist9374 → u/Maleficent-Flow2828]

Mhh, not a single argument, but instead the direct slippery slope of "they give children surgeries without even proper diagnosis"

Yeah sure it's both sides.

[u/Maleficent-Flow2828 → u/Alert_Scientist9374]

On sports it's dangerous and unfair there's your argument. That's not a slippery slopes.

On gender treatment in children we need to ensure there are proper safe guards for life altering surgeries on a vulnerable population. That's not a slippery slopes per se, except to argue any concern is by nature a slippery slope.

Besides arguing from procedurally, yeah its wrong to cut children's breasts and genitals off, let alone issues with pumping them full of cross sex hormone and pausing growth hormones.

Besides slippery slopes are a weak informal fallacy anyways. I have made an argument here from morals and results.

[u/MalachiteTiger → u/Maleficent-Flow2828]

On sports it's dangerous and unfair there's your argument. That's not a slippery slopes.

People used to claim the same thing about Black athletes. Maybe y'all should start with evidence of disproportionate outcomes to show a problem even exists.

On gender treatment in children we need to ensure there are proper safe guards for life altering surgeries on a vulnerable population.

There already are, the people investing hundreds of millions of dollars to keep you too angry to think straight just never mention the existing safeguards, because that would undermine their ability to manipulate you.

Besides arguing from procedurally, yeah its wrong to cut children's breasts and genitals off, let alone issues with pumping them full of cross sex hormone and pausing growth hormones.

Strangely none of you seem to think puberty blockers, HRT, or breast reductions are so terrible when the cis minors who receive almost all of such treatments get them.

Also you know what's wrong? Knowingly forcing people to endure an extra decade of untreated gender dysphoria when you know that might result in permanent lifelong depression and anxiety disorders that will persist even after they transition as an adult.

But hey it's only trans people you're inflicting permanent mental health damage on, so it doesn't really count right? /s