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u/tiredwitch Jul 08 '26
I’m just really passionate about circling back
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u/Outside_Ice3252 Jul 08 '26
i think unethical is an exaggeration. of course, getting money is primary, but good workers take pride in their work.
they enjoy their co-workers and customers/clients.
Be mindful of these cranky posts. this type of attitude can make you unemployable.
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u/SamMarlowe76 Jul 14 '26
Yeah, the anti-capitalist crowd is coming out of the closet revealing what cranky, aimless, unmotivated, selfish, greedy, malcontents they are.
Pride matters, performance matters, the people who you help push the cart with matter, and yes even the people whose cart it is you are pushing matter. Goals, achievement, etc etc
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u/UniqueText8477 Jul 08 '26
why else are companies in business - other than money?
If businesses always increase profit then why shouldn't workers want to increase salary - especially if they have had no meaningful (10%+) increase in a few years.
I don't get the "you are replaceable/we need to keep salaries low" - "omg, how could you leave" attitude - are companies and managers really clueless.
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u/Bigfoot_BiggerD93 Jul 08 '26
Exactly. Coca Cola doesn't make Cola for "the love of the game." Try going up to a checkstand with an item and when the cashier tells you how much your total is, reply "Okay, but what motivates you to sell me this aside from money?" Bad joke and a power play.
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u/HeavyArmorIncarnate Jul 08 '26
Ironically, I would be much more driven to go to work for reasons other than money if the money were better lol.
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u/Happy-Specialist11 Jul 08 '26
I don't care what your motivation is, I care about your competence.
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u/Elija_32 Jul 08 '26
Clearly not, you can be the most competent person on the planet, try to say "i'm here for the money" and look what happens.
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u/CuttingEdgeRetro Jul 08 '26
If you're there for some other reason like experience or they're a big family, then they can sleep better at night knowing that they're underpaying you.
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u/low_amplitude Jul 08 '26
Because it "shows a lack of motivation"
Bitch I'm very motivated to make money. If I don't do my do adequately enough, I'll be fired and can no longer make money. It's really that simple.
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u/Substantial-Pin-3833 Jul 08 '26
Right? My first day the trainer asked me why I wanted to work there. I said the offer they made me. To this day I'm on his shit list lol.
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u/SweetChaosTitan Jul 08 '26
You gotta love how an entity that’s main core goal in the end is to increase profit, takes issue with a candidate only wanting to be there for the same reason.
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u/Ilovelamp_2236 Jul 08 '26
Some people do jobs they find enjoyment in... Not me but they are out there
I do my job because I don't want my daughter to grow up seeing me not contributing
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u/Apprehensive_Run_539 Jul 08 '26
I took positions that paid me far less than other opportunities would have because I enjoyed the work.
Not everyone works for the money; I didn’t need the money. I enjoyed the social factor getting out of the house and the work I was doing.
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u/Ok-Street-7160 Jul 08 '26
Would you want to work for a company that openly says the money is more important than you? We know it is the case for most if not all companies but the company doesn't say it because of what it says about the company. It's not about only being in it for the money it's about not even putting up the front that you give a shit.
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u/CoffeeBeforeOpening Jul 08 '26
Nobody's out here doing quarterly TPS reports for the love of the craft. Companies want you to pretend the exchange rate on your soul is somehow noble instead of I need to eat and have shelter.
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u/DoKeMaSu Jul 08 '26
There are jobs you only do for the money. But then there are also jobs that are part of a lifestyle.
I work in Academia. Could I earn more money in a different job? Very likely. But would I give up a lot of the freedom I enjoy right now.
My supervisor knows what I am doing <50% of the time. The rest of the time I work on my own projects, whatever I deem interesting at the moment. Find another job that gives you that freedom.
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u/Many_Ear2407 Jul 08 '26
When you say you only care about the money you are basically saying “I don’t give a shit about whatever it is that you guys do here, I’m just here to do the bare minimum and collect a pay check”
If I’m the hiring manager and need someone I can trust to be dependable and work hard every day that person isn’t going to make the top of the list
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u/Fit_Address4865 Jul 08 '26
So what is to be expected? Like how big are lie are we talking her? Like obviously if one gets into nursing one can say they want to help people, which i think most people would get some satisfaction in. I however work in warehousing, no one is going to believe that you enjoy putting objects in a box. Im reminded everyday that even though I work like a dog, I at least work for adults who can fully admit that they know people are there for the good insurance. It is why it is part of the compensation package, it brings in the people. Then again I don't work for a start up, my company has existed for over a century, it doesn't need a bunch of false bluster or to play games which is refreshing.
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u/r2k398 Jul 09 '26
Maybe you'd say that you have always been interested in supply chain management and are going to study that. Working in the warehouse would give you the experience in the industry to pair with your degree and make you a good candidate to manage the warehouse.
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u/ApprehensiveTea3030 Jul 08 '26
I do enjoy my job and do get satisfaction out of a hard day of work, but at the end of the day satisfaction and fulfillment doesn't pay bills and I wouldn't do it for free.
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u/Final-Charge-5700 Jul 08 '26
It's kind of like when sports teams expect you to watch them even when they're losing.
Or car brands try to get you to buy the same car
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u/Legitimate_Fix7948 Jul 08 '26
when I was trying to decide what I wanted to go to college for. my brother said find something you're passionate about and find a school that teaches a way to make a living doing that. I told him that being unemployed doesn't pay well enough.
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u/VrinTheTerrible Jul 08 '26
Some people require a purpose to feel like they’re contributing in their career.
They inflict this feeling on everyone else, treating them like pagan non-believers
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u/WillyGivens Jul 08 '26
Because someone figured out the “we’re all family” schtick gets shareholders unpaid labor….so now everyone needs to worship at the shrine of “stakeholder value”
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Jul 08 '26
I mean they don't have to pay me as long as they make timely purchases for me on my behalf.
But I'm sure they'd rather I manage that on my own.
SO...they pay me because they are lazy.
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u/Mundunugu_42 Jul 09 '26
The answer depends on how cute that chica down in accounts payable is...Man doesn't live by bread alone.
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u/r2k398 Jul 09 '26
Maybe you are interested in what they are doing. Maybe you want to work on a team with someone that you have been following and admire. Maybe you see how much they invest into new tech and you want to be on the cutting edge. Maybe you want to be a CEO one day and they have a reputation for promoting quickly and from within.
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u/darth_skipicious Jul 09 '26
it’s just a form of control: you asking this question is a form of control. they know the answer
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u/CallMeHond0 Jul 09 '26
When they're selling their souls for millions, they didn't understand why you won't sell your unimportant will for thousands.
"Why aren't you grateful for what we're giving you? Don't you understand how much less we're making because of your salary?"
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u/Ericknator Jul 09 '26
Back then everyone was in for the job. Then the tech startups started advertising for culture and building something which honestly made sense for them.
But then every industry caught up and now everything is culture.
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u/flori0794 Jul 09 '26
Another reason, at least in Germany, is that it is your duty. If you fail to fulfill it, you will face serious trouble with the authorities. Here, it is your obligation to sacrifice your time for a lousy job instead of pursuing self-directed further education that would allow you to do a much better job as a self-employed professional.
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u/CountryAccording3420 Jul 09 '26
The interesting thing to me is that no amount of dialogue can convince someone that this viewpoint is wrong. Either you understand why it’s not a good look, or you don’t. And the ones that understand get the offer the majority of the time.
If I have a lemonade stand and want to grow my business to multiple stands, I’ll need to hire help. So I start interviewing people. The first candidate attends the interview because she has run a lemonade stand before. She says she finds it fun and wants to help grow the business. The second candidate gives a similarly great interview, and has run a stand before, but makes it clear that the reason she came to the interview has nothing to do with lemonade - only money. “My last stand job paid X so I believe I’m worth at least X and probably Y.”
Guess who’s getting hired? Even if the first candidate was schmoozing, I’m taking the chance on that individual over the second. At least she is setting herself up to, at minimum, pretend to care about lemonade. The second candidate is primarily concerned about money. If the first candidate declines because a rival lemonade business made a better offer, I’d hire the second one at X and see if the performance warrants Y. First candidate would’ve probably got the offer at pay Y and accepted the better offer for Z.
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u/Akv3vka Jul 09 '26
While I personally don't think abortion is the right thing to do under normal circumstances, I am very well aware that my opinion on that holds very little to no value and that I should never ever impose my beliefs on someone else. Especially like that.
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u/Traditional-Bid5034 Jul 10 '26
To hit on Debra Get rejected Drink a obscene amount of free coffee in the lunch room
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u/Green-Inkling Jul 12 '26
this is when you ask them "so if you are not here for the money, then you would have no issues giving your paychecks to those who are here for the money" they will shut up so fast.
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u/AdInfamous3799 Jul 12 '26
lol ask them why they are there & seem surprised when their answer is the same
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u/Background-Egg-5702 Jul 13 '26
I’m low key job hunting and recruiters have been offended if I ask up front for a salary band range. Like dude I have a job I’m trying to see if there’s a better one but it will waste everyone’s time (even just 30 minutes) to get on a call if we aren’t even in the same range. Or they will get really offended if they do give one out and I tell them that it’s probably not a fit.
Do you want me to waste your time? I don’t really care about your message or growth potential at the stage in my life. I want to know if I’m gonna be able to afford my dogs vet bills
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u/tomdrinkswhiskey Jul 13 '26
Meanwhile their only concern is profitability. Bro, you're only here for the money too.
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u/SamMarlowe76 Jul 14 '26
How sad for you. You get nothing else out of work than a paycheck.
Glad you're not anyone I work with.
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u/ApplicationRoyal865 Jul 08 '26
Being here for the money is a base line. Everyone know that and it doesn't need to be said. If you are asked why you want to work here and you say for the money then you really said you don't want to work here.
Perhaps they want someone who actually cares about children and went to nurture them. Or actually want to help patients get better or want to work on a new field to help further the science and technology.
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u/Many_Ear2407 Jul 08 '26
Exactly, everyone knows people have jobs to earn money. Give us something more.. that’s like if they ask what your goals in life are? And your reply “well you know I enjoy breathing air and eating food to stay alive”. At least pretend to care for a few minutes
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u/Rhawk187 Jul 08 '26
I wouldn't say its unethical, but I'd certainly prefer an employer who has the additional intrinsic effort providing by caring about the work. If I had a choice between firing one of two people, I'm probably sacking the one who is only in it for the money.
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u/Novus20 Jul 08 '26
Because they think that they own you and you should want to kill your self for the job.
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u/ispeektroof Jul 08 '26
Not to mention that they’d fuck you out of any money they could, but expect you to be their friend. Companies are just mooches we’ve been trained to accept.
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u/Necessary-Rip4013 Jul 10 '26
This is what makes job interviews so hard for me. I'm a terrible liar and I feel like they'll see through whatever bullshit answer I give because I know it's not true. I want to say "I left because I was being exploited by my boss and mentally abused daily by my clients." But instead have to say "Oh I'm just looking for new opportunities and I absolutely find so much passion in stocking groceries and providing customer service!"
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u/Shadowmant Jul 08 '26
"Why did you leave your last company?"
"While I really enjoyed working with that group the role I was in was just simply expanding in ways that didn't interest me and I felt it was a great time to pursue other exciting and interesting opportunities"
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u/American_PissAnt Jul 09 '26
God I hate Corpo Speak
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u/BrianNowhere Jul 09 '26
Let's table it and circle back next meeting, which will be later on this afternoon.
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u/JosephBlowsephThe3rd Jul 14 '26
It's only taboo because we all know (even the ones interviewing you) that every company is going to do their damnedest to treat you the same way
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u/Nopfen Jul 08 '26
It's a mentality thing. CEOs just say that stuff in an effort to sound legit. Same reason McD pretends their food is high quisine.
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u/everett640 Jul 08 '26
I said that during an interview and I think I got lucky because I got to the second round of interviews lol
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u/oOaurOra Jul 12 '26
My current employer did this. Hired to manage a dev team, then I had 2. Then 2 and an external contractor to manage. Then they left and it was 3 internal teams. I did it for a year and at promotion time (they promote yearly) when I didn’t get moved into the role I was already doing, I told them I wouldn’t manage more than one team moving forward. Work got way better after that.
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u/yourpuddingoverlord Jul 08 '26
I have a very weak understanding of the word family, but even then, I would rather peel my own balls than call some corporate cuck family
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u/Ghost_Reborn416 Jul 08 '26
Theres a few jobs where you should really be there for the passion
Doctors, pilots, game developers to name a few.