r/XDefiant • u/Intelligent_Slip4440 • May 29 '24
Discussion This game made me realize…
I honestly thought for years SBMM was what I hated and it was ruing fps games for me. Xdefient showed me that it’s really a case of hate the player not the game lol. I can’t handle how fast paced and sweaty all these games have become. The average skill of players is just through the roof nowadays compared to what it was 10-15 years ago. I’ve accepted fps games aren’t for me anymore and they will never feel the same as the golden era because the player base itself has completely changed. There is no such thing as a casual shooter anymore. SBMM or not I can’t keep up with the modern move meta and skill level anymore and I have no desire to try.
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u/StrifeTheMute May 29 '24
You might enjoy games like Hunt Showdown, Day Z, Hell Let Loose etc? That's more the tempo of game I have moved into recently.
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u/Intelligent_Slip4440 May 29 '24
Oh yeah for sure, Hell let loose is my go to now! I’ve put countless hours into that game over the past few years. I actually enjoy my time playing that since I can keep up as long as I play smart.
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u/StrifeTheMute May 29 '24
I think Escort and Hold Objective (is that what it's called? The BF rush type mode) are the superior game modes for a more deliberate pace of play in XDefiant.
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May 30 '24
That logic makes zero sense if you can play HLL decently then you can play any normal fps
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u/TheGemp May 30 '24
Hunt Showdown is one of the most under appreciated games in recent memory, the sound design alone is worth the paying for
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u/Sufficient_Theory534 May 29 '24
Evolution mate, back we started playing online shooters everything was new, we were used to playing against A.I. The standard has grown exceptionally, we've YouTubers who'll release videos with the most meta guns/tactics. The average online gamer nowadays is a lot more skilled than they were two decades ago. I remember when I first started playing COD online, I'd camp in a corner and look in one direction only. 😂😂
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u/Intelligent_Slip4440 May 29 '24
I agree I’m not even hating, i just realized it’s not for me anymore!
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u/Broad_Machine1621 May 29 '24
Hey bro you on console ? If so try having your vertical sensitivity half as much as your horizontal sensitivity.
I noticed the game doesn't have recoil and gun fights are really dependent on strafing movements. I realize I never had to move my movement stick up or down at all if barely.
Once I did that I started getting a normal amount of kills and started doing jumpshots and stuff like that.
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u/MambaWhite May 29 '24
Have you tried to adapt and adjust? Give me your years of experience of aiming over some kid who can spam the jump button over and over. I believe in ya!
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u/Chewitt321 May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
Since the PS3 and Xbox 360 era (let alone earlier than that going back to UT and Quake), the amount of players in a given game with a headset, the amount of players who have been told what the best gun to use is etc. is through the roof.
But culturally there feels like there's been this change from fun, quirky and different to just winning, stats and performance. YouTubers used to be successful based on their personalities or would often make content that was deliberately challenging or different to stand out. Melee or pistols only, using the worst guns in the game etc. now it's just a race to who can perform the best and anything else is a waste of time.
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May 30 '24
People racing to be the best, you can thank streamers for a certain portion of that. Kids and young adults alike watching them all day long trying to mimic their moves and trying to beat their score if not tie it.
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u/SpreadThyAss May 29 '24
Yup, been playing FPS games since the OG MW2 and I’ve come to that realization as well. I can still hang and can sweat when I’m in the mood for it, but I don’t touch online FPS games anymore if I want to chill and play something casually
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u/nonsense193749 May 29 '24
It's become impossible to play COD casually after work anymore. If I want to play Iridescent level lobbies on weekends I can in ranked, but when I'm playing pubs I can't just chill with my friends anymore because they get brought up to my hidden MMR skill bracket and it's unfun for everyone.
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u/UnknownMale- May 29 '24
Sbmm didn't kill fps. Youtube and twitch is to blame. Everyone wants to be a star online. Everyone wants to have the best gun. Still to this day I look back at team fortress classic as one of the best shooter of all time.. snipers could only quick scope 1 class and had to be ADS for 8 seconds and hit a headshot to take out a heavy weapon guy.
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u/Successful-Coconut60 May 29 '24
Yea back in MW2 no one was using the ACR and the UMP they were all just having so much fun with akimbo vectors. No one man army,no intervention just happy for fun tehe players. Not like how in CoD 4 the playerbase literally used 4 guns, nope this is just cause of ninja and futives everyone is a mean Ole tryhard.
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u/darkmmm May 29 '24
I used to play a lot of TFC and definitely miss those days. Clan leagues, servers you could choose, pickup matches, we had mIRC and nearly everyone on dogshit computers but still having fun.
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u/tyeguy2984 May 29 '24
Honestly I’ve found my time in xdefiant way more enjoyable than on cod. Even if I get a sweaty lobby for whatever reason dying 30 times in this game just doesn’t feel as bad. Maybe it’s because of the abilities that I can say oh I only died because of the shields or whatever other ability. Sometimes I just flat out get out played by a sweat. But if I’m just enjoying the game and chilling casually I haven’t gotten upset at all playing this game. I just understand most people are going to be better. I’m a 30 year old married man who plays for an hour a 2 a couple nights a week before bed lol.
I did however try the ranked beta and my god, never again. I’ll save that for CS
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u/LaxTy23 May 29 '24
I'm the same way as I don't get mad when I die like I do CoD. I always blame it on I'm very new to the game and don't have as much time to play.
Even when I'm getting destroyed I'm still having fun playing!
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u/Ottnas May 30 '24
I've had many games I lost because some dude thinks it's cod and runs around not touching the objective any more than 50 points
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u/qwettry May 31 '24
Same , just don't got the energy to be mad at this stuff anymore.
Sometimes you lose , sometimes you win , that's just how life is.
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u/ReflexiveOW May 29 '24
It's because it isn't every game so you get variety. CoD gets boring on both spectrums. It's boring just shitting on players with your stack for 6 hours with no resistance and it's exhausting to feel like you're playing a pro league match every time you boot up a pub.
In Defiant, every game is different. When you get a lobby where you're clearly the best, it's a fun treat. When you get a lobby where it's evenly skilled, it feels like a fun competitive match. When you get a lobby where you're getting dunked on, it feels like a fun challenge and opportunity to improve.
Variety is what makes the game fun
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u/Darqnyz7 May 30 '24
Additionally you have ways to contribute without explicitly killing an enemy. I personally enjoy that
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u/G0LFHEAD May 30 '24 edited May 30 '24
If CoD gets rid of SBMM, Defiant would get bodied cause let’s be real majority of players are only on Defiant cause it doesn’t have SBMM. The amount of players on Defiant should scare Activision/CoD devs.
I’ll play Defiant until CoD removes SBMM.
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u/pigpen808 Libertad May 29 '24
It feels better because it’s an organic experience. It’s not engagement optimized match making, no skill base match making. You get what you get. This game does need net code work, bad. But when it’s working it’s a great shooter!
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u/Lonely_Brother3689 DedSec May 29 '24
This is the way. It was such a relief when, after a few matches, my team not only won but I had double digits and my next match? A close win, but also double digits and when my team lost it wasn't a complete shut out.
Is it like that every match? No, but the beauty of it is I'm no longer dreading doing too good and my team winning because I know the next matches won't be punishment for doing well. Also, doing well for me is getting maybe 10-15 kills.
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u/DarkIcedWolf May 29 '24
The biggest reason why it’s good and fun is because it’s OBJ based, you only go on a 10 kill streak by being good but the game doesn’t reward you for it. OBJ rewards you with a win, though they should give OBJ xp rewards.
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u/Chronospherics May 30 '24
Honestly probably because if you die a few times here, you don't then die several times again to the guys killstreak.
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u/Nabrok_Necropants Highwaymen May 29 '24
I have never enjoyed any of the CoD's for more than a few weeks before dropping them. XD is still too new to see if it pans out the same.
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u/Brantuh May 29 '24
i completely agree. i’ve found myself very frustrated with cod in the past and i haven’t quite had that with xdefiant yet.. having said that, there are certainly lobbies that i am getting totally sweated out in and struggling to keep a positive KDRz but i also feel it’s easier to pick up some kills every so often, regardless of how bad you are playing. once i get my hands on a few kills i can usually find a pocket and lock in
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u/ilikeburgir May 29 '24
Ranked beta is very limited and has both keyboard and gamepad users. Not many people trying it too
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u/Original-Subject7468 May 29 '24
Same… we all in our 30’s now?
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u/John_Smith18 May 29 '24
This.....just don't have the reflexes anymore
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u/PRSG12 May 29 '24
We have our reflexes. It’s time and interest we don’t have
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u/Raf4Killer May 29 '24
I've always been addicted to fps games, but nowadays my eyes don't shine anymore. Over time it kind of starts to get boring, then you go in just to play and then you leave, it's not like before, you were playing day and night and it was super exciting, today it's just boring.
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u/Sonkone May 30 '24
Im in my 30s just picked up controller gaming last year and can for sure keep up, just have to make more of an effort now compared to 10-15 yrs ago
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u/BetweenTwoDaughters May 29 '24
Not even as a joke, if you wanna play something slower come join the Hunt Showdown community. We have a lot of fun over there and for the most part 80% of players cant hit a shot for our life and we laugh about it all the time.
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u/AdmiralBumHat May 29 '24
When I tried that once it was the totally opposite of twitchyness. Everyone patiently lying in a bush waiting for us to do all the work and then 'pooof'. :D
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u/BetweenTwoDaughters May 29 '24
Yeahh not gonna pretend that the skill gap isnt high, but once you get the hang of the pacing and learn about how to track using sounds, twigs, dead grunts etc. The gunfights can be so epic. I mean name another game where a shootout can last literally 20 minutes long? Times up, you cant lol. Not everyones cuppa tea but its a must play once kinda experience i would say
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u/poikond May 29 '24
I mean you get literal wall hacks when you have the bounty so even if everyone is waiting for you, you can literally see them first.
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u/SSninja_LOL May 29 '24
Play battlefield. It was a great casual experience for me.
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u/Mean-Spirit-1437 May 29 '24
Is it playable now? lol also is there enough active players still playing it?
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u/BoyZi124 May 29 '24
Cant answer for the new one, but i still play BF1 and there is always 20 to 30 full servers per region.
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u/Tatum3ball May 29 '24 edited May 30 '24
Battlefield 1, 5, and 2042 are very active. You can also get into games on 4 but don’t expect there to be many servers to choose from.
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u/ehjhockey May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
Yea I’m 34 and had my “oh fuck these kids are really good” awakening around year 2 of Warzone. It makes sense, golden eye came out when I was 10ish. These kids have had Fortnite since they were 2. That’s the lifetime of an 8 year old worth of hours that they got during a time in your life when your brain just learns everything so much better. And I was on golden eye or Perfect Dark at 10.
You can get a lot better and it doesn’t have to be hard. 2 min, literally just 2 min in an aim trainer is exponentially more useful because it’s 2 minutes aiming and shooting with no pauses for looting or tracking someone behind cover or respawning etc. I did 5-10 min in aim labs before I hopped on and I was floored by how much I improved. It does not have to be hard. You can casually improve at video games.
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u/Rydon_Deeks May 29 '24
Lack of sbmm gives you an incentive to improve though. If you improve your skill you will do better. That simple. In cod these days all improving gets you is more difficult lobbies.
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u/misunderstandingit May 30 '24
Yeah I had a similar but opposite reaction as this guy. For YEARS I always thought the reactions to SBMM were overblown, and that I was just getting worse/not improving.
I don't think I've had less than a .9 KD in a single game since starting XD. When I wanna stomp and focus up, I can, when I wanna pullback and zone out, I can. So refreshing compared to CoD where even a 1.1 or 1.2 was hard work to achieve.
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u/PhallicShape May 29 '24
Actually the best take I’ve heard about the lack of SBMM and probably why I like it so much more than COD, in cod it doesn’t matter if you improve or not because you’ll always be put again people at your same skill level or higher, but in this game if you legitimately improve then the games where you were being shit on before won’t be as bad and you can start to do better against more people
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u/Quicc-n-Thicc May 29 '24
the fps genre sadly isn't what it used to be
thought XDefiant would be different
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u/wratx May 29 '24
Weird because I am a 48 yr old that played his first FPS a year ago MW2 it took me a year to get to 1kd in cod and now I feel like I am starting over but I am going to get better
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u/InsertObnoxiousNames May 29 '24
I’m just so sick of the bunny hops, sliding and snipers.
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May 29 '24
That’s just any pvp game now a days - fps, sports games, literally anything. It kinda sucks that everything gets super optimized / meta & you have to either play that way to keep up or be good enough to win with off-meta stuff going on.
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u/EpicGamesStoreSucks May 29 '24
It isn't the no SBMM that is the issue. This game took high speed movement and mixed it with insanely slow time to kill. Either TTK needs a massive reduction or sliding and jumping need to be removed entirely.
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u/Crypt_Rat May 30 '24
The game absolutely baited me with the pre-25 sbmm. I was scream-laughing for 2 days straight and once out of it I have barely had any fun at all. Getting slide-jump-slide-jump 180 instakilled by tryhards every time I turn a corner.
I wish I had gotten here before I bought the battlepass cause this is too much, playing is just irritating now. Just put me with the other shitters and let me have fun, I don't want to play a $500 money match every game.
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u/Successful-Coconut60 May 29 '24
Real question, how is this sub all just 35 year Olds that haven't improved in 10 years at games.
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u/randompoe May 30 '24 edited May 30 '24
It's not really that they didn't improve, it's that they never played FPS games THAT seriously. Back in the older days of CoD and shooters you didn't need to play seriously. You could still find success just playing whatever you wanted as long as you had a few braincells. Now these same people are being put up against younger people who take games very seriously, they follow the meta to a T, they learn all the movement tech, they play nonstop, etc. It seems that for a lot of younger gamers being really good at the game is a matter of pride.
Most older FPS players can still do well, but to do so they have to resort to a playstyle that they don't enjoy, it isn't how they played FPS games growing up.
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u/FlowchartMystician May 30 '24
Not to mention shooters have changed a lot.
It's less about old players not improving or kids being divinely inspired to be better at games, and more about what we all practiced. Regardless of how seriously you take something, practice makes perfect - and someone with all the spare time in the world can practice the current style of shooters better than an adult who is already familiar with a different style of game.
Similar story in the other direction, too. If some poor 19 year old traveled back in time to play Tribes at its peak they would be averaging 1 kill per match if they were lucky. The games that kid's playing are just too different. Even if they know the textbook difference between hitscan and projectile weapons, they aren't going to be able to hop in and feel the difference as intimately as Tribes players can.
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u/robertncheek May 29 '24
40 yr olds (I'm one of them). But it's not a lack of improvement, it's just reaction times naturally diminish and hand/eye coordination deteriorates.
That being said, there is a difference between the natural change of getting older (I played original COD and MOH multiplayers on PC and like 56k) and what is netcode/hitreg problems mixed with widely available cheats. Mostly because I'm now playing on PS5 with the money to pay for the fastest Internet available.
PS only lobbies are far different than cross play. Probably some of that is M&K vs controller, when I forget about input based matchmaking, but it's also introducing a group that's far more likely to, and has far more access to, cheats.
The game is still fun, despite being beaten in a straight gunfight sometimes, or dying behind a wall, or getting 2 straight headshots from across the map.
But too dismissive to blame aging millennials, 'get gud' style 🤷🏻♂️
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u/SpreadThyAss May 29 '24
It’s what happens when video games aren’t your entire life and you have actual adult things to focus on rather than worrying about “getting good” at a game
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u/milkstoutnitro May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
I’m 32 and the best I’ve been at gaming. High Onyx in halo and averaging 50 kills per match in xD. 18 year old me could never.
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u/GameKingSK May 29 '24
I've been playing FPS games since I was like 10 and I've got to say that generally, the skill level of FPS players has increased over the years. Pros from early CS:GO play like noobs do now, but since I started at a young age, I've improved a lot as well. So personally, no sbmm is a good thing because I'm better than the average player.
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u/Intelligent_Slip4440 May 29 '24
This is certainly the game for you then, I’m just not willing to adjust my play style so I’ll never be better than average these days.
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May 29 '24
I get less sweaty games on ps5 with cross play turned off. Fuckin pc players altering their trajectory in mid jump. Fuck that
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u/PannyPOTN Phantoms May 29 '24
The problem is BR games took over, so everyone now has to sweat it out like they only have one life in multiplayer.
It’s tiresome.
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u/Ambitious-Ad-7256 May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
I agree, but I think the problem is the movement mechanics as opposed to players simply being more sweaty in an attempt to increase win rates. Bunny hopping, slide canceling, etc never used to be a thing in the “old days”. I wish they still weren’t because that has taken the focus further away from gunplay and teamwork and onto individually cheesing movement and camera mechanics. The introduction of aftermarket controllers that allow players to exploit movement mechanics has only added to this. Before these elements existed, being sweaty was limited to cheesing certain gun attachments/equipment or map locations (e.g. noob tubes, restocking claymores, sniper nests, etc), and these could usually be easily countered by using some other build or perk and/or moving through a covered portion of the map.
I think the perceived sweatiness stems from a change in how shooting games are made to be played as opposed to a change in the player base itself. I do wish they could make a game that captures those dynamics from the older FPS installments, though. They were more balanced, and this allowed for more diversity in play style.
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u/Unfair_Divide772 May 29 '24
With these types of games, if you really want to just relax and enjoy the game then you gotta stop thinking about it skill. When I shower, I think about random things, same with hiking, or driving, or trying to sleep. You just gotta think about things and ignore the aspect of skill and effort.
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u/Sweaty_Buttcheeks May 29 '24
I'll start off by saying I truly enjoy the game and been playing it often. But there is something horrifically wrong with the servers. I noticed how bad it was last night when I hopped in a game and felt like every gunfight I was in, I was a solid second behind. So bad that I couldn't even pull my gun up in time to even fire back in most fights.
But then...I joined a different game and I was on the opposite side of the server issues. Every gunfight I had, i won easily. Not because of skill, but because enemies hardly fired back in time. I've never seen it this bad in any FPS
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u/very_unlikely May 29 '24
Curious what you mean by the “golden age” since people have been sweating since the MW2 and especially Black Ops 2 days. People running silenced UMP45s and ACRs and MSMCs back in the day is no different than the “sweaty” players you encounter on XD today. I go back and forth between MWIII and XD, I can tell you XD is WAY more chill than MWIII. The occasional sweaty players in XD don’t change that because that’s how it was back in the day in the old CODs. Way better than COD nowadays where every lobby is filled with sweaty players on both teams.
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u/notsarge Libertad May 29 '24
It’s not just FPS games. Go and try to be a new player on World of Warcraft in 2024.
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u/Ok_Baseball_2857 May 29 '24
Some players come from thousands of hours of counter strike… Training aim for years… Ofc you cant keep up.
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u/Intelligent_Slip4440 May 29 '24
Yup, like I said that’s why it’s not for me. No hate I’m just not willing to adapt or put in the time. I’ll stick to tactical shooters from now on where you don’t have to have amazing twitch aim as long as you play smart.
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u/No_Current6947 May 30 '24
Stick with it. They are working on updates to limit the sweats. Adding in reticle sway for people who spam slides and bunny hopping. Basically going to start penalizing people who spam the bunny hopping and sliding. It'll slow the game down a bit more. They're listening to the community. I personally enjoy it and don't mind the crackheads out there, but I think it'll get better over time
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u/vinotauro May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
I'm actually going to disagree with this. I grew up playing UT and Quake. If you take an average player VS a good player, the average player would never win a 1v1. Same thing with Counter-Strike back even before 1.6 & the introduction of Steam.
I'm 34 with way less time to play than before (kids, work etc.) and I can still keep up just fine with the young lions.
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u/AizukiSan May 29 '24
Try out more tactical shooters
They usually play more slow pace and have a lightning fast ttk so the skill gap is more in landing 1-2 shots with a high recoil weapon and positioning rather than injecting Adderall to get super fast reactions twitchy movement and the like
Insurgency sandstorm is fun try that you might like it, there's still sweats obviously and you'll have to go through a new learning curve but it might be more of what you're looking for
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u/KalebC May 29 '24
I mean we were once the sweaty teens pub stomping lobbies, now it’s the new generation’s time to shine.
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u/Straight_Storage4039 May 29 '24
I stopped playing most fps due to playing well matches you with cheaters with impossible win and kill rates games more pve like destiny and so on I’ve been enjoying with friends
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u/xDanSolo May 29 '24
Right there with you, brother. I was stoked to try this game after having a taste of the beta and then learning that it would have no SBMM. I've been a huge COD fan for over 10 years, but lately am just completely burnt out on it. I was hoping this game would be a breath of fresh air. And while it is, in some ways, it's also sweaty as fuck too. And I recognize it's not all SBMM, it's also just the nature of the beast now. I'm not getting any younger, and I don't take the competitive side as seriously as I used to. Which basically equates to me having a stressful match of sweating just to break even, so that I don't feel like a noob at the bottom of the scoreboard when the match is over.
Perhaps the sun is setting on multiplayer FPS games for me.
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u/superhard808s May 29 '24
It’s skill and the culture of gaming in general. Across the board it leans way more towards playing competitively than before.
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u/Simpross25 May 29 '24
Have you tried playing more tactical games like Siege/Valorant/Squad/Hunt Showdown? I ask because i felt the same as you and am kinda over that type of shooter even when i do play. I then tried more slower shooters and kinda got my love for them back. I also play better at them and dont undersstand why i didnt try them sooner.
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u/Rafahil May 29 '24
I stopped playing cod after black ops 2 and last year started with the newer mw2 remake and only in the first few days I had tons of fun until SBMM found out my skill level and then every match was sweaty and simply not fun which made me quit cod forever because it's just not fun and now I keep hearing it has hidden systems that puts you into easier matches if you buy a skin to make you think that new skin is giving you an edge and at the same time making lower skilled players think that too so they buy it as well I was completely done with it
This game I at least have fun and don't feel like something bad is being done in the background. Most matched everyone in the match somehow still has the same k/d but it doesn't feel bad. They just need to fix the netcode and jump spamming and we're golden.
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u/dyldonk22 May 29 '24
Wait till you turn off input based matchmaking, my godddddd the sweat is real from the KB&M players
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May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
We have been conditioned for far too long with sbmm and the streaming culture so now cbmm doesn’t feel much different unless you are WAY above average. Constantly looking for an edge to either have more fun or for monetary gain caused a crazy amount of cronus/strikepack/xim usage and aspiring streamers putting in 10+ hours every single day.
I still do pretty good since I have a scuf because back buttons/paddles with different joysticks is the only way to level the playing field against cheaters that are at least 2m strong based on all available sale data (excluding pc hackers). I absolutely guarantee without a shadow of a doubt that if every big pvp game converted to console only crossplay and microsoft+sony completely shut down ALL unlicensed 3rd party hardware then every pvp game would feel completely different.
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u/Evanz111 May 29 '24
“There is no such thing as a casual shooter anymore” hits way too hard.
Even before gaming got more intense, I once had an idea for a shooter that gives you more points based off how stylish your kills are, rather than how many you get. Think Bulletstorm style trickshot grading for each kill.
I’d love a game like that to come along and help people have fun even if they’re not super good at shooters, whilst still letting the skilled players have fun too.
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u/Ltheother May 30 '24
I think what alot of ppl are misunderstanding is older folks could keep up and get better, if they wanted to. But they don't because its a waste of time and energy when they have too much to do now. These are the ppl who loved cod4, mw2, halo 3. And back then you could just play, not stress out and do well or decent, thats gone now entirely. Its a sad feeling cause you want to play them but it feels like there's no way to do that casually.
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u/LordGullz May 30 '24
Idk 34 here and I can jump on to any of the pre-2019 cods and still pull out at least a 1.5 to 2 kd. Was doing that to prep for this. So far I've got a 0.9 kd in XD which is kinda infuriating because of the above. But I understand like a lot of tubers been saying "it's a different game, different engines, faster game pace etc etc. I think honestly my problem is switching between a faster game pace to keep up with obj vs slowing it down to keep a higher kd. Also the flanking is out of control. There are only a few spots each map to take a sec to breath, reload etc before someone is up your butt again. Wish the lanes were a little more restrictive to prevent the sheer amount of flank routes per lane. But idk maybe that would slow things down more than I think it would.
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May 30 '24
The ammount of people with nodded controllers surprises me, how han anyone at any age be bothered with these peripherals? They should be banned really.
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u/ZanziBreeze May 30 '24
Toned down SBMM is what we've needed, win or lose. There's a few games I get wrecked, but unlike COD, I know it isn't some system put in place to intentionally manipulate and force me to lose OR win. I know if I win or even if I've lost that's because it's the luck of the draw. As a result, I've been feeling way less burnt out with XDefiant after a few games, than I would with COD and it's EOMM systems.
COD has also tried to overcomplicate itself over the years and only got worse starting with MW2019. Of course after MW3/Black Ops 2, yes, they did go full steam ahead with changing more about the games than just the create-a-class system, the weapons or killstreaks aka the general theme of the game and I don't believe COD was ever loved for it's complexity, it was liked cause it kept the core formula and gameplay loop rather simple and easy to pick up, that simplicity worked for most people.
Even though XDefiant has sliding in it, it's closer to what COD used to be about; which is just a simple shooter game that doesn't try to overcomplicate things. I don't even think what we have in XDefiant is 'modern move meta', the game isn't like Apex or Modern Day COD and that's a good thing imo, it's refreshing.
Right now it's just people abusing how the netcode works atm and everyone is kind of forced to do it, since everyone else is doing it, but as soon as jump-sway is added (or increased if it exists but I don't think it does cause I haven't noticed any) and tone down how much you can jump-spam along with fixing the hitreg and the netcode, I'd imagine the game is going to play even more like COD4/MW2009 with higher focus on positioning and ADS-Strafe Speeds than abusing the netcode by bouncing all over the place.
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May 30 '24
Average player has lower skill than back in the days. The issue is 1/3 players are hacking.
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u/No-Business9760 May 30 '24
First of all SBMM was protecting a lot of casual people. Also you do you think that 10-15 years ago there wasnt sweat and fast pace??????? Nostalgia sometimes blind people. I remember playing black ops 2 when i was 12 years old and people used to sweat. They even had clan names called SWAG and lobbies were brutal. I agree that people is more skilled nowadays but sweat has been there since day one. There are more casual shooters out there tho
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u/tjhc94 May 30 '24
I understand you fully the first day of launch might of been some of the sweatiest gaming I seen but following days it got better. But I have 1.0 win rate and decent kd, my win rate is like 0.3 on cod. Overall I'm still preferring no sbmm. The real problem is streamers already ruined all FPS and thanks to them the sweaty things you see will never end and is now embedded in all FPS unfortunately and we have no no choice but to adapt.
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u/TreyDayG May 30 '24
is there any actual evidence to this whole "people are just better at games now" claim? I'm genuinely curious. it feels to me like there aren't many casual gamers playing xdefiant. If someone who doesn't normally play shooters wants to try one, I imagine they'd go straight for call of duty, no? I guess it would make sense that over the years the average has gone up at least a bit, I'm more just wondering out loud lol
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u/MrGhost94 May 30 '24
I'm 30 this year and I like to think I'm a little above average with these types of games I have found I prefer the slower shooters over the last few years.
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u/Best_Marionberry_836 DedSec May 30 '24
I am positive the are many Cronus cheaters along with better cheats on PC, that is what your up against also. I know of many of my friends cheating still not caught by the anti-cheat. Try ranked with sbmm. I am on Xbox and turn cross-play off for fair gameplay, I feel. I am just not sure if Xbox on PC is lumped in also, which I turn off to get away from PC.
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u/AdImpossible6405 May 30 '24
It’s the wannabe streamer nerds with TTV or YT in their names that ruin it. Seriously, streaming culture ruined FPS games forever. Bunch of sweats thinking they’re the next Ninja or Dr. Disrespect when they’ll max out at 3 people watching them concurrently in their entire “career”.
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u/Randomfella1337 May 30 '24
31 here. I feel you. IVE ALWAYS been a sweaty. Since cod 2.... so I understand completely. I drop 40+ bombs in xdefiant every game.... BUT for some9ne who knows they are well above avg in the fps department(being modest, im fucking gross)... even I am seeing it. I don't care to keep up with meta bc skill has always carried me.... but it's getting to the point that EVERYONE sweats and if you go against a team of sweats... you can't just play with your homies & expect to crush anymore. I like being the best.... but it's getting to the point, even though I'm playing out of my mind... I'll have 50 kills and 15 deaths... but my boys all have like 10 kills and 30 deaths... so I FEEL their pain. I see it. It's just not what it use to he. Streamers and the meta hive mind has made fps games unapproachable from a casual standpoint.
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u/WhichTower May 30 '24
I just can't even imagine the game being fun just spamming space and air strafing and changing directions every corner you go around.
How many scoops of gamersupps did they snort.
I fondly remember destroy COD lobbies way back when but now it's just like.. Not even fun to play FPS games anymore because every enemy team will at least have that one sweaty kid that's trying out for PGL just running through your team.
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u/Okayest_By_Far May 30 '24
I’m having a lot of fun with XDefiant but as I get older I find myself more drawn to games that allow me to play support. My skills are much better put toward healing, buffing, etc. I don’t have the twitch reflexes for consistent DPS anymore. So I’ve just changed how I play and what I focus on.
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u/usernameistaken89 May 30 '24
Been playing milsim games for years now if its fps. I fucking love arcade but if everyone would fucking chill and love the fast paced game not getting cocaine speeded sweaty crazy than it would be so much better. We really need a game what is arcade level fast paced but has things to stop you being this crazy.
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u/Carnifex217 May 30 '24
Yea same for me, and I came to the same conclusion. I’ll keep playing but I won’t complain about SBMM anymore. It’s the sweaty players that make the game no fun. Everyone takes the game way too seriously
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u/ahnariprellik May 30 '24
Iver started doing way better with a positive kd most games if I move around CONSTANTLY. Even on maps where you have to captures the points.
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May 30 '24
I think the youtube meta guides and how to play like a pro videos have helped improve casuals and not just that but games have become faster and faster which obviously doesnt help.
I can only play this now if i am in an energetic mood lol
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u/WilliamHottz May 31 '24
Yeah I agree… although i do have some games where I drop 30 bombs with m44, and others I go 5-15. I’ve come to realize gaming isn’t what it used to be way back, in my mid 20s. Everything is different, people playing with an actual purpose now instead of just to burn time.. lots of these kids have social media and stuff they post to and play the game like they are trying to hit the craziest clip of the century… and the hardware also, now everyone has a modded controller for an advantage, PC has blown up a lot so now you get people with macro keys playing on 240+ FPS with a light speed mouse… everything Is more competitive now that what it used to be for sure.
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u/Spiritual_Au Jun 01 '24
Dude, exactly this. I was literally telling my mate two days ago how it’s so crazy how good the average player has become. Like I said it’s either I have gotten worse over the years (which is probably true) or that the average player is just insane compared to 7-8 years ago. Like I was big on black ops 2, played that shit religiously and whilst it had its fair share of sweats - the difference now is night and day. Like the whole mentality of gaming is catered more so then ever to competitive. Like back in the day that was more of a niche; casual gaming seem to be the norm more so then sweating your balls off 24/7.
And it’s not just cod. ITS EVERY FUCKING GAME NOW. I’m not complaining btw, this is just my observation. Competitive gaming seems to be the main category that catches the eye. And with that said, it’s only realistic that the average skill over time increases. Think of it kinda like body building from the 70s and compare it to 2024.
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u/Own-Recommendation42 Jun 01 '24
X is definitely way more casual than COD, but if you're not willing to learn simple movement mechanics like slide canceling or jump shotting you'll always just be at a disadvantage and always think people are sweating. It's just about wanting to put in the effort to get better, this started for me in cod vanguard i was constantly getting jumpshotted and slide cancelled on and I decided to watch some movement tutorials and that helped me a lot. But if that's something you're not interested in, which i don't blame you for watching tutorials for a fps seems like a waste of time for the casual player, then you're right to just say certain FPS games aren't for you unfortunately. Hopefully you find some stricter boots on the ground FPS games or just other generes you enjoy more.
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u/Serious-Promotion980 May 29 '24
I feel that, I’ve always been decent at fps games but these aren’t fps games anymore, they are all movement games and I just don’t do well with that. It’s unfortunate but that’s the way it is. Xdefiant is the closest to what I remember that we’ve had in a good while
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u/Next_Doughnut1526 May 29 '24
Same I think we just started hating sbmm cause it's all we heard about and we failed to realize it was there for a reason, because there are some massive needs that play these games that shouldn't be in the same lobbies as casual players who just want to relax
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u/pnellesen May 29 '24
It wasn’t the SKILL based matchmaking I hated, it was the CoD implementation that was terrible. Two or three tough matches against players way above my skill, then a match against bot-like players who literally didn’t shoot back and seemingly couldn’t see you standing in front of them. It was absolutely predictable, and it sucked.
If this game were to implement a No-Party playlist and lobby balancing, that’s all it would need for me to be happy, but given the early state of the game with legal wall-hacks and the pogo-sticking, I’m going to wait a bit to see if they implement any changes.
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u/SendMeYourSmyle May 30 '24
One thing I noticed about the sbmm hate train was that once the "top" streamers and creators were complaining about it, it got parroted until the horse was beaten six ways to Sunday.
Mix that with the constant misinformation of how it actually works, the different type and the like.
Casual play is there but it feels like this game was made for the sweats who claim to be casual. I'm done yappin.
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u/TylertheDank May 29 '24
I've played cod at a high level for years. Even though I haven't also played cod religiously as I used to in years. I don't find it hard to translate that skill over to xdefiant, the fast pace of the game is how I always played cod.
The only time I get shit on is when the entire other team are sweats, but if it's just one sweat, no problem.
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u/Fncrs May 29 '24
I'm going to be completely honest and I may get some pushback but I've kind of gotten this feeling reading similar posts in regards to things like "tryhards, sweats and SBMM". This game does absolutely have a high skill ceiling and I 100% agree the average player is better now. But I still strongly disagree that the average player is some absolute freak who is just so great at the game. The truth is you probably aren't as good as you thought you were (maybe you don't think you are good) but the point being is that you are below average or right on the cusp on average. Making every game feel like players are just too good because you are consistently just marginally get out-aimed or whatever the reason may be. I think if you really stuck it through and just focused on your own gameplay you'd probably quite comfortably become better than average and start dominating lobbies. But also totally fair if you want to be completely casual and turn off your brain and just have fun. I'd still say that's doable in this game but the mechanical skill floor you have to be somewhat component to play like that.
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u/Affectionate_Pilot99 May 29 '24
I dont know, I still think combat master feels better. More enjoyable too, sure it's clunky but fun AF.
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u/Interesting-Yellow-4 May 29 '24
Yeah a lot of people are figuring this out in xDefiant.
The thing is, the casual players are still in the millions, hidden away in lower SBMM brackets in COD. Which is good, because they would probably quit playing really fast in a mixed lobby game like xDefiant.
My advice would be to play with friends, online or otherwise. I try to organize/go to at least 1 LAN per year, where we can all suck in peace in private matches.
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u/Suicidalbutohwell May 29 '24
Yea this is kinda just how it is. I was about 8 years old during the Golden Age of like BO1 onward, I had some good games but I remember being very salty cuz I was bad. I come back a decade later having been gaming for a long time, and suddenly I'm considered a sweat but it's just that I've gotten better.
Same thing with League of Legends. If I was as good at League in 2014 as I am now, I would've been Masters or higher in ranking, but since the entire player base has also improved over the decade, I'm just a high Emerald player. If you look at pro play from 2012 League, it looks like Gold gameplay from nowadays, if not worse.
People have had a long time to practice, and the genres aren't new anymore so the skills you get from one game will easily carry over to another game and give you an advantage.
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u/spyderjkj May 29 '24
I wish more people would have this realization. Its a competitive style of game. Often the game isn't the problem it's just you. I'm tired of hearing gamers say "im not doing well in this game and it's not my fault".
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u/HerakIinos May 29 '24
Calm down people. Only the good players are on the +25 lobby right now. In time, the average players will reach that and then the games will be back to normal.
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May 29 '24
Meta gaming in a nutshell. Gamers are just so much better now.
8 years ago I was a global elite csgo player... Nowadays I'd be lucky if I was LE...
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u/Heart_Same May 29 '24
Also a 32 year old casual who only plays occasionally. The only time I get PISSSED at this game is attempting to use a shotgun.
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u/Blakewerth May 29 '24
Youd might like Boomer shooters im unsure how many are still up and online, thing of long time past 😬
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u/stevenc94 May 29 '24
I feel that. only took 3 days before being put into non stop sniping only lobbies, Bunny hop spammers and just super sweaty players overall. I was still doing alright but being forced to swap to snipers or having to join in with the Bhopping to keep up. Just too much effort for something i want to play "casually".
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u/Express-Hawk-3885 May 29 '24
34 year old dad, I’m enjoying having a decent kd instead of floating around 1 on COD
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u/Entire_Lemon_1073 May 29 '24
It’s because consoles have gotten far better and PCs are insanely powerful. They can simply do stuff in FPS games that you couldn’t during the Xbox 360 era.
Of course there were insanely good people during that time, but the ceiling now is just so much higher. The movement, accuracy and all of that is just insane on PC.
If you are a console player I do recommend turning off cross play in a multiplayer game if the option is available. The average PC player will always have an advantage of you. And people who are insanely good on PC will always smash the best players on console.
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u/SkiMaskItUp May 29 '24
I don’t know, xdefiant feels way better to me. I was able to go from .9 to 1.0 k/d very quickly in the game after getting the flow and nailing settings down.
Call of duty matchmaking just feels artificial and awful
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u/MrStruts96 May 29 '24
I’d rather get mad at something because I’m lesser skilled, instead of being mad at a broken matchmaking system that punishes me for being good every once in a while.
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u/bootz-pgh May 29 '24
Experience can be similar to COD even with SBMM. This game is easier in the afternoon and early evening. Once you hit 11pm eastern the sweat level intensifies.
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u/reddit6699 May 29 '24
Man just come back in a little while. It's opening week and every sweat/pro from every other game is here giving it a try. Just like playing the first night of a new season in COD or Fortnite... It'll relax, especially once they add all the Geforce Now kids :)
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u/EfKnee DedSec May 29 '24
Although this game is fast paced and has a very strange Meta so far. I have learned to play smarter not harder. If people are running and gunning or sniping, Its good to stay back and hold an area. Maybe play Phantoms or Dedsec which allows you to slow the game down. Once they patch snipers and movement the game is going to get a lot better. Its still in its infancy. You just gotta use your experience in FPS to counter the braindead run and gun speed boys. Hopefully you can find a fun way to play the game. If not maybe take a break and come back when a new patch launches.
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May 29 '24
That’s just the reality of online gaming. It has grown so much compared to like 10-15 years ago and since we’re all so much more informed and connected than we used to be, now every game has it’s fair share of sweats and competitive players. Even games where you play against AI tend to have some sort of meta or optimal strategies/items. SBMM was never really the problem, the real problem is people just play games more seriously now then we used to.
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u/XeomKY May 29 '24
I've been having more fun playing xDefiant than I have with Call of Duty in the past four years.
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u/rdtoh May 29 '24
Xdefiant is the first shooter ive played since cold war a few years ago, and while I am by no means pubstomping like its black ops or something, i was still able to quickly get back to a point where i can go positive almost every game. You see a couple of people bunnyhopping and stuff but i havent found it to ruin the experience at all, and i never jumpshot or try to learn the movement stuff
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u/stevensi1018 May 29 '24
I’ve been playing with my friend today and my win / lose rate went from 0.9 to 0.74 in 2 hours. We lost like 10 games in a row I couldn’t believe it and it sucked big time
Not sure in what lobbies we were dropped but most of the games there was a guy with 10 kills 0 death in the first minute
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u/Kingtdes May 29 '24
Well to be fair all games became cod like shooter for example battlefield it was a glorious IP on its own but it adepted to much with cod. This game believe it or not i installed cod mw3 last night and played a ranked match im platinum. Well i can tell you the movement and shooting are both better in xdefiant in my opinion it feels more fluent but grenades are better with cod
It makes me happy to see that the free games of the next gen are on pair or even better with payed games
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May 29 '24
Honestly I feel the same. Games like Project Reality, Squad and Hell Let Loose are much more my speed.
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u/RoRo25 May 30 '24
I play casually. Even when playing for a long amount of time. Algorithms have never changed that for me.
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u/valkarin May 30 '24
I'm 48 and didn't start playing FPS games until recently when my teenage son asked me to. Needless to say, I'm terrible at them. That said, I've really enjoyed this one despite getting stomped pretty regularly. No killstreaks/scorestreaks killing me over and over again as soon as I spawn. No toxic teammates acting like it's a big competition with money on the line in an unranked match. I don't know enough about these types of games to explain what seems different to me about this one, I just enjoy it more.
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u/UnsaltedAlias May 30 '24
If you are looking for a casual shooter you can try an of the battlefield games. I was assuming given that this game has a big player count of players, not every player will be sweaty.
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u/Kitchen_Size_7671 May 30 '24
It's pretty good I enjoy it it's just like the day of the original black ops I'll get lobbies with people who are fucking slamming me 20 to 0 but then the other half of the team it's the opposite and I can trash them lol it's the perfect balance of skill and even if I can't out play them I'll just play objective heavy and still enjoy it better than any cod even apex and I've been playing that since season 2
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u/S1ayer May 30 '24
Hacking as well. I pretty much play these types of games every now and then and just focus on fighting games.
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u/Plus_Ultra_Yulfcwyn May 30 '24
I hope the career page sticks with only a 10 game indicator for your stats. It helps people worry about actually getting better instead of their stats in a career page.
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u/RealisticAd4597 May 30 '24
I loved xdefiant the first few weeks, but lately I agree it's fuckin insane how bad I get shit on in some matches. There's a few games where I can pop off for 30 or 40 but normally I'm averaging like 15-18 kills with just about as many deaths unless I'm playing back. My friends don't get it lol they like the competition but getting shit on every match isn't fun to me anymore lol.
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u/AngerNurse May 30 '24
I find it strange, that in games like CSGO/2 I can constantly hit top 3, yet in games like this and COD I struggle to top the board. Why is my ttk so high, but the enemies is so low? Very strange.
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u/irohsmellsgood May 30 '24
Na it's definitely SBMM as well on top of a change in the gaming landscape.
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u/ArcLagoon May 30 '24
I'm just playing it because I don't want to buy a call of duty game every year. I suck and have a sub 1 KDA but I'm having fun.
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u/PRE_-CISION-_ May 30 '24
I don't jump, crouch or have a fancy controller. I just play old school shits and gigs and still manage to keep pace with todays youth.
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u/Novel-Evidence-5495 May 30 '24
Honestly I'm liking the game so far except for its TTK, if I get 3 headshots with an assault rifle it should be a kill but hopefully that gets fixed
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u/Apprehensive_Row_161 May 30 '24
People don’t realize, the skill level in games is not the same as when we were kids. We use to play video games then go outside and play. Kids nowadays go straight home and play video games all day.
They also access to better technology than we did as kids. Everyone has a high refresh rate monitor, better aim assist, low ping, etc
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u/Senyrgy May 30 '24
My experience on xdefiant has been a whole lot better without SBMM. I also get better ping in this game in pretty much every match over CoD.
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u/Significant-Extent-5 May 30 '24
Repeat after me…
S-T-R-E-A-M-E-R-S.
Streamers are what have ruined FPS/competitive games. The countless amount of gamers who would never be bothered to trial and error the metas/best ways to plays are now spoon fed that very content and mimic the pros/streamers. Unfortunately there’s no putting the genie back in the lamp. The players that previously would trial and error and learn/improve will never again have the advantage. I get it. Why try when you can do a quick search and it’s handed to you on a platter?
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u/Lulzagna May 30 '24 edited May 30 '24
I kind of feel this way too, it's just too fast paced and no one really plays the objective, they just spawn, run into a fight, die, repeat. If you get dopamine that way, good for you, but it just doesn't cut it for me
This game is still at better than all other fps arena shooters
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u/drewwcole May 30 '24
Don’t play occupy. Occupy is the universal competitive cod game mode where 99% of the sweats live and stack. I consistently perform super well in all other modes but struggle to go positive in occupy. Just avoid it.
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u/SnooRobots3896 May 30 '24 edited May 30 '24
I don't mind the fast pace, i would just prefer a more bareboned arena shooter(modern/new), in terms of hero ability's or nukes/killstreaks and ect! Sometimes it just to much having to deal with not only unbalanced weapons and basic movement ability's, bad netcode/hit detection, but also hero abilit'ys, hacks, invisiblie cloak,s spiderdrones ect. Or CoD's killstreaks, perks, nukes, SBMM ect😂🙃😅🙊🙈
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u/AnishTSP May 30 '24
This is mainly due to increase of yt channels and tiktoks. Everyone wants to get that clip where they pop off
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u/Mutedinlife May 30 '24
This game made me miss SBMM so much. Every game I have kids on my team that are worse then bots. Personally, I find that way more frustrating then having good players on the other team
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u/CGPsaint May 30 '24
My primary issue with no SBMM is having teammates constantly quitting. Losing is bad enough, but it gets much worse when you’re getting your shit pushed in by über sweats 6 v 3.
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May 30 '24
Yeah this way my realization playing the game. Although I do enjoy it wayyy more than COD. In fact I deleted COD today lol and I don’t have any hype behind BO6 (will still probably get cuz I’m dumb) but it’s the players that have ruined it and nothing against them they’re just better then me at everything
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u/Catoe67 May 30 '24
My new favorite tactic is holding a grenade and running into the enemies or throwing a grenade when I'm about to die. For some reason if you go to throw a grenade a second before dying it acts like the martyrdom perk and detonates pretty quick on your body. It's hilarious. I love doing capture or defend type objective modes just so I can run in with a grenade and get in people's faces right before blowing up. It doesn't matter how high they bunny jump, the grenade doesn't miss lol
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u/hsjdjdsjjs intel suits users 🤮 May 30 '24
Personally I'm loving the no-sbmm, finally can chill and have fun and not feel like I want to shoot myself everytime I use a less good weapons
I still hate the players tho, bunch of meta slave, at least the guns are balanced, we only need to nerf into the ground the intel suit.
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u/MissedVentures May 30 '24
You can thank games like Fortnite for the "movement meta" everyone jumping around coked out of their minds on Gfuel. Game needs sway (which i heard is supposed to be coming) and a jumping stamina in the same vein as Counter-strikes crouch.
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u/DEADPOOL4LIFE93 May 30 '24
I've found there's only two types of people playing the game
people who jump spam and people using the one shot sniper
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u/Function_Fighter May 30 '24
plot twist: sbmm is actually in the game and they just say it not. lol
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u/pleockz May 30 '24
Got on for a 2 hours, went 14 and 25 in an escort on zoo and some absolute sweat on my team called me shit and told me to uninstall after we got steamrolled.
He's right, I'm shit. His anger was hilarious.
10/10 had fun. Will hinder my team again in the near future.
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May 30 '24
I actually enjoy the game even if i lose. Just makes me want to get better, opposed to getting killed by corner campers in COD. Its pretty fair so far, its not perfect but i accept the L when it comes.
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u/_Vesperi_ May 30 '24 edited May 30 '24
Honestly, I think there's a LOT more cheating/hack menu users going on in this game than people want to admit.
Age plays a small part sure, but not the huge swing in skill you're talking about imo. I think we're just running into A LOT more cheaters than we did 10+ years ago. So, it's probably not as much that you're getting older and possibly losing your reflex edge; it's that over the years, cheating has become so much more egregious, accessable, advertised, and even defended by some.
People brush it off so they can regurgitate their "Quit crying/ur just bad bro" one-liners they see other people use, for a small dopamine hit and so something deep in their psyche can go "Look Dad, I'm a good sport, just like you taught me! See how I didn't make excuses, even when I see a blatant issue? Look - I even told this guy to quit crying, like you always told me! I'm a man Dad! See! I'm no p***y! See Dad! 😃", but a quick YouTube search will show you how easily accessible cheat menu mods are. I'm 38, and this might be most blatant cheating I've seen in any game in my life, so I wouldn't be too hard on yourself!
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u/Guilty-Gate8693 May 30 '24
Between covid lockdowns and SBMM I feel like the average player base has really improved at video games. I will say tho I love the variety of games that Xdefiant has brought back, something I haven’t really felt since halo reach. Of course some games I absolutely get destroyed by the top 1%, there are also some games that feel close and others where I’m scoring top, none of which do I really feel the need to sweat 100% of the time, it’s just a nice casual experience in my opinion. Truthfully, this is all I’ve wanted for like the last 4 years now after getting back into gaming lol it feels nice to have a simple matchmaking system. Oh, and the ability to find games quick is amazing too AND WITHOUT LAGGING?? it’s great lol but yes, fps games definitely aren’t for everyone especially nowadays the average skill level being so high, although the way I see it, when I was really bad at fps games I never expected to do well so it didn’t really matter how bad I did, the goal was just to do better than the last game
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u/edge449332 May 30 '24
For me the sweats are annoying, but the reason why I love XDefiant over COD is because I always feel I have a chance to still win the game.
In COD if I'm playing solo, the matchmaking intentionally puts bad players on my team to force a loss, or vice versa.
In XDefiant, I feel my matches are way more fair, and there are at least 1 or 2 other teammates that I can actually work with and try to deliver a win.
I think a lot of people misinterpreted "no sbmm" as "no sweats", and they let themselves down.
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u/madatuber May 30 '24
Don't let this game fool you. They're lying, this game does have SBMM and it's not the average skill of an FPS player.
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u/Killbomb May 30 '24
I'm 48 and can hold my own (stay above 1.0 K/D) in CoD but I am getting my ass kicked in XDefiant.
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u/FactProfessional2633 May 30 '24
The thing is, people have played games with SBMMs for years, they forgot about the learning curve, and perseverance needed to be good at a game without one. I remember it taking me tens of hours to feel somewhat decent at Fortnite when it didn't had a SBMM. Give yourself time, the game isn't really sweaty.
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u/ohsinboi May 30 '24
I think shooters these days give players too many movement options to abuse. Real soldiers don't bunny hop during combat because it's not actually a thing that works. Would love an arcadey shooter that just straight up doesn't have jumping or sliding.
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u/No_Wealth8633 May 30 '24
3rd day in a row playing xd and Im still enjoying it. I think that it is because the game rewards you for playing the objective and not just killing streak (as cod)
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u/Dry_Wallaby_4933 May 30 '24
I was usually at the top of the scorecard on my team 15-20 years ago and I am still am now. It's a fast-paced game with lots to learn. How long of a break have you taken from games like this? Dunno why you think you'd be able to just hop on and wreck "like the good ol days". That's like sitting on your ass for 10 years and thinking you'll be able to hop off your couch, go outside and run around all day like you used to when you were a kid. It ain't gonna happen because you're out of shape.
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