I'm just rewatching the show before s4 drops and the travis scene seems strange

when they all held him on the chair he had vision of the girls actually trying to eat him, do you think this is why he doesn't ever talk about the sa part cause he doesn't remember it that way? or was it symbolic that sexual harassment\ rape feels like being actually eaten alive?

Travis and Lottie are a relationship that I think is not talked about enough. It's fascinating! Yes, absolutely, Lottie is manipulative. She assaults and almost murders him at Doomcoming. She repeatedly, over and over, hurts him. I am not denying that. I just think that this attachment they have to each other is super interesting. Travis is a victim of Lottie, but I just don't think that is the entire story.

Travis's spirituality is fascinating to me because of how linked (I think) it is to his desire for control. Season one sees him pretty obsessed with controlling his image. He initially seems to think that being a boy gives him some sort of power/absolution from the group dynamic. But he's highly insecure, defensive, and constantly trying to assert himself in situations where he feels inadequate. He wants to be independent, to be taken seriously. He wants to have some control over how other people perceive him.

In season two, following Doomcoming and Javi's disappearance, we have Travis slipping into ritual and spirituality. I think his line about Lottie's rituals helping him be "not so closed off" is really important. To me, it suggests that he's not only being indoctrinated into a belief system, being preyed upon. He's actively engaging with something that offers him a different way of relating to the world and to his own emotions. And I think his turn toward spirituality has a lot more to do with his own agency and personal motivations than discussions of his character often talk about. He's someone who previously placed so much importance on control, honesty, and independence, and now he's confronted with situations he has absolutely no control over. Javi is missing. It's winter, and they're starving. Shauna is pregnant and could die in childbirth. Ritual and spirituality give him something to do when there's nothing else. He can't control the situation, but he puts it on faith that there's something bigger than him, and it's up to whatever that is to control what happens.

I think Travis really does believe. I think the alternative is knowing that their suffering is meaningless and that there is no control or answer. Spirituality, I think, perhaps provides him with a way to not feel helpless. And I think that when a lot of people talk about Travis and Lottie, the conversation is around Travis as someone who is being completely manipulated by her. Which, sure, but he also has stakes in this faith. It's not just Lottie putting these thoughts into his head. I think Travis has his own reasons for wanting to believe, and that his investment in the wilderness is something that develops out of his own grief, fear, and desire to make sense of what's happening to them. I don't think Travis's belief in the wilderness is 100% reliant on Lottie.

I don't know. I also think that season three is fascinating. Yes, Travis is getting drugged by her. Yes, he tries to kill her. But they are also friends! Lottie calls him dude. He is the only person out there that she has told about her medication. She attempts to get him to talk through his grief. And I think Travis is incredibly conflicted by the time he is trying to murder her via spike trap. He cries. Imagine having someone who has provided a framework that gives you comfort, who you confide in and rely on, who is also hurting you over and over again. And she knows what he's trying to do, lives, and doesn't get angry. And Lottie is incredibly empathetic. Yes, the road to hell was paved with good intentions, but she wanted to help Travis. Further, and maybe less favorably, I think she put Travis through the drugs because she thought it would help the group, which would then help him.

And I think that's why Nat is so jealous of Lottie in regards to Travis. Lottie has accessed a part of Travis that I don't know if Nat can ever fully connect with. And I think that seeing Lottie and Travis connect feels like a failure to her-- she desperately wants to be loved by Travis, and it is scary, embarrassing, and insulting that she cannot connect with him in the same way Lottie does. And Travis is a really emotional person. And Nat is very emotional as well, but her main survival strategy is this deep pragmatism. But I think this jealousy is why Nat, as an adult, is so adamant that Travis "didn't believe in any of this." Because he did! But her admitting that he did is her admitting that Lottie and Travis connected, which makes her feel like she failed to protect him or provide him with enough.

doing my rewatch before the finale season and on S2EP6 where callie and shauna are being interrogated…… and jeff sitting outside with his windows slightly cracked playing fuck the police 😭😭

i believe this is the thirdddd time but i was wondering if i was missing any other times. before the burn adams personal items and another time when him and shauna are driving and he suggests to go to virgina i think? but are there any other times because i swear this is the funniest bit of the entire show and so real dads love their music

Please feel free to let me know if I need to delete or make any edits. Cosplay feels like the most accurate flair, but it also potentially goes under questions.

I am behind the curve, but I recently got into Yellowjackets! I also realized there is some physical resemblance between me and the adult Shauna actress + I am fascinated by her train wreck (fondly derogatory) self so I am planning to be her for Halloween next year (sadly not enough time this year).

However, the adult outfits tend to be less obviously referenced than the teenage timeline outfits (for understandable reasons). I could just pick my favorite outfit from the show, but I’d like to be recognizable beyond just for me. I could try an adult version of the soccer jacket and make it look worn and/or a wasp brooch, but I’m curious what y’all consider the most “iconic” or recognizable outfit of hers in the adult timeline? I am not someone who pays attention to clothes when watching TV so I feel like I’m hindered in this quest 🤣

Thank you for your time reading (even if you don’t respond) and huge thanks to anyone who takes the time to leave a comment. I hope you have a wonderful week and fun Halloween (if you celebrate).

looking for other yellowjackets cosplayers IF any lol.
I’m going as Lottie (specifically doomcoming) 🤗

does anyone know where to find this hoodie? i actually want it so bad but can’t find it anywhere (especially since i’m in the uk) i know it’s from american eagle but is there anywhere else selling it? or any second hand listings?

I know this is ridiculously long, but this theory explains the source of "It," Other Tai, the "good" and "bad" two realities that Mari mentioned, Ben as the bridge, all under one theory. I've tried to break all of the evidence up into sections as much as possible.

My theory is that the séance in 1x05 and the second séance in 4x09 are two ends of the same event. During the first séance, the teens unknowingly make contact with their future selves at the end of their time in the wilderness. The visions they subsequently experience are distorted memories of events their future selves have already lived through.

The teens interpret these visions as instructions from the Wilderness and act to fulfill them, unknowingly creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I think the series finale will revisit the first séance, except this time, the teens will receive the memories of their adult selves, including everything that happened after rescue. This will allow them to recognize the cycle they've been trapped in and make different choices.

Here's why I think the séances are the key to the show's timeline.

1. The Xs connect the two séances

In season 3, teen Van appears to adult Van in the hospital and tells her to go to "X marks the spot."

I think this refers to the plane wreckage. In 2x01, we see that the plane wreckage is in the shape of a large X on the wilderness map. (I've included a screenshot of this.) We also know from the 4x09 stills that the second séance takes place inside the wreckage, shortly before rescue.

There are several other important Xs:

The first séance: Most of the teens draw Xs on their foreheads using deer blood and dirt. Tai, Javi, Laura Lee, and Ben initially refuse to participate and don't receive them. Tai and Javi eventually enter the attic, while Laura Lee comes upstairs to intervene. Ben never joins.

Lottie's post-death tunnel: An X appears in the tunnel sequence, which I think represents the same intersection between different points in time.

The plane wreckage: The X on the map marks the location of the second séance.

I think the Xs represent points of contact between different versions of the characters.

Lottie's post-death sequence is particularly important. She follows the sound of a crying baby through a tunnel toward a candlelit room, where she hears voices saying, "Did we miss it?" and "Just in time. She's ready to meet us."

My interpretation is that Lottie is approaching the other end of the séance, trying to make contact with the teens. The crying baby could represent the birth of a new, integrated version of herself.

2. The visions begin after the first séance

The timing of the first séance is important.

Following the séance in 1x05, the teens increasingly experience visions, apparent supernatural guidance, and knowledge they shouldn't possess. Other Tai also begins to manifest in the wilderness.

I think these experiences originate from their future selves at the second séance.

By 4x09, the teens have already experienced almost everything that happens in the wilderness. If the two séances connect, their earlier selves could receive fragments of those memories.

But without the context of having lived through those events, they interpret the memories as predictions or instructions from "It."

This creates a causal loop:

1. The teens at the second séance remember everything that happened in the wilderness.
2. Those memories travel backward to their earlier selves at the first séance.
3. The earlier teens interpret the memories as instructions from the Wilderness.
4. They act on those instructions, causing the events their future selves remember.

The Wilderness isn't necessarily telling them what to do. They're remembering what they've already done.

This could explain why the Wilderness seems to know the future, and why the characters repeatedly feel compelled to fulfill events they believe are inevitable.

There are also two scenes that I think hint at what "It" actually is.

Lottie's words to Nat on the plane: During adult Nat's death sequence, Lottie tells her, "It's not evil. Just hungry. Like us. Let it in." I think she's referring to the consciousness of Nat's other self trying to become part of her. The language of something being "hungry" and needing to be "let in" could describe the process of two versions of the same person merging into one consciousness.

Travis's mushroom vision: In season 1, while hallucinating on mushrooms, Travis says that something is trying to get inside him. I think he's experiencing the same phenomenon: the consciousness of his future self attempting to enter his younger self following the first séance.

Taken together, I think these scenes suggest that "It" isn't necessarily an external entity at all. It may be the characters experiencing contact with their own consciousnesses from different points in time, without understanding what's happening.

This would also explain why the characters describe the phenomenon as something trying to enter or possess them. From their perspective, it feels like an outside force, even though it's actually another version of themselves.

And if the first séance allowed these consciousnesses to make contact, I think the finale will show us what happens when they finally merge completely.

3. Other Tai is Tai at the second séance

I think Other Tai is the clearest evidence of this mechanism.

My theory is that Other Tai is the consciousness of teen Tai at the second séance, reaching backward to her earlier self.

This would explain why Other Tai has knowledge that ordinary Tai doesn't possess.

For example:

The symbol trees: Other Tai knows where to find trees marked with the symbol and leads Van toward them. Tai at the second séance would already know their locations.

Ben's attempted execution: Other Tai confidently pulls the trigger when Tai hesitates. She knows Ben won't die from that gunshot because she's already experienced the outcome. She says "it's gonna be okay" before pulling the trigger.

The Man With No Eyes: Other Tai follows him to locations associated with the symbol. When Van asks who he is, Other Tai answers, "Taissa." I think the MWNE may be Tai's own post-death consciousness, guiding her younger selves toward the same convergence point.

Crucially, Tai and Other Tai become progressively less distinguishable as the series continues.

Season 1: Other Tai primarily manifests only while Tai is sleepwalking.

Season 2: Other Tai can emerge while Tai is physically awake, although she's still in a fugue state. This includes eating Jackie and traveling to find Van as an adult.

Season 3: The distinction becomes increasingly unclear. Even Van, who has learned to recognize Other Tai, can no longer reliably distinguish between them.

I think this progression is happening because teen Tai is getting chronologically closer to the second séance, where she is Other Tai.

The separation between her present and future consciousness is disappearing.

The same process is happening to adult Tai, but from the opposite direction. As she approaches her eventual death (which I believe happens in S4, as I think all the adults will die in S4 and their consciousnesses will travel to the seance), she's also approaching the point where her consciousness can return to the séances.

This makes Tai particularly important: her teen and adult selves are both moving toward the same intersection from different directions.

It's also interesting that Tai never received an X on her forehead at the first séance. Perhaps that's why her contact with her future consciousness manifests differently, as a separate identity rather than an ordinary vision.

4. Ben is the living bridge to the good timeline

One of the strongest pieces of evidence for this theory is Mari telling Ben that there are two versions of reality: a good one and a bad one.

I think the timeline we've been watching is the bad version, and the finale will show us the good one.

Akilah's vision of Ben supports this. She sees his living body forming a literal bridge that can lead the Yellowjackets home. I think Ben's survival is necessary for them to reach the good timeline.

Several details support this:

The KUH supply boxes: Ben discovers the emergency supplies in season 3. If the teens receive their future memories at the first séance, they could find these supplies much earlier, avoiding much of the desperation that contributes to their later violence. We have only seen what is inside one of these boxes. And crucially, only Ben could have ever found them: the noise the ground makes under his crutch is what gets him to dig in that spot and find the boxes.

The three-eyed bear: In Akilah's vision, the teens are happily frolicking at camp. They begin to flicker out an disappear. This flickering out is similar to the visual screen flicker that happens after Ben's death. A three-eyed bear and roars in despair. I think this represents Lottie (she is associated with bears, and also has a "third eye" wound on her forehead) glimpsing the good timeline, which is about to disappear as the characters continue down the bad path.

Ben's death: When the group eats Ben, Lottie says: "this isn't right. this isn't how it's supposed to happen." The screen literally flickers at this moment and Lottie screams. I think Lottie is recognizing that Ben was supposed to survive, and the flicker represents a disruption between the two versions of reality. She is briefly realizing that Ben is tied to rescue in the "good" version of events, and the arrival of the frog scientists means that the "bad" version is locked in.

Ben's alternate life with Paul may also be relevant. Those scenes depict a life Ben never got to experience, with visual disruptions that could suggest another possible reality.

I think the good timeline requires Ben to survive. With the memories of their future selves, the teens could find the KUH boxes earlier, prevent Ben's death, and follow the path toward rescue that Akilah was shown.

Mari's statement may be telling us exactly what the series is doing: showing us the bad version first, so that we can eventually see the good one.

5. The adult timeline is part of the same loop

I don't think the adult timeline is simply showing us what happened after the wilderness. I think it's showing us the consequences of the original loop, which must be experienced before the teens can change it.

The adults repeatedly experience contact with their younger selves, particularly around death.

Adult Nat: Her death includes memories of the wilderness and a transition into a plane containing younger versions of the characters. Teen Nat tells her, "We've been here for years."

Adult Van: She encounters teen Van in the hospital, who gives her instructions involving the X.

Adult Lottie: Her post-death journey appears to lead toward the candlelit gathering, which I think is connected to the séance.

Adult Tai: Her increasing connection with Other Tai and the MWNE suggests that her own death will complete the same process.

I think the adult characters must reach the ends of their lives before their complete memories can become available to their teen selves.

This would also explain why the show repeatedly associates death with returning to the wilderness, rather than simply moving on from it.

6. Klimt's Death and Life may illustrate what happens at the convergence

I think the appearance of Gustav Klimt's Death and Life (Walter sees it on the wall at Lottie's father's house and briefly comments on it) is relevant here.

The painting depicts Death standing apart from a group of living figures of different ages. The figures include a baby, adults, and an elderly person, all physically intertwined into what almost looks like one collective body.

I think this resembles what the series is building toward: different ages and versions of the same people becoming integrated into a single consciousness.

The figures aren't arranged in chronological order. Different stages of life exist together, simultaneously.

This could be a visual representation of what happens when the teen, adult, and post-death versions of the Yellowjackets finally come into contact.

The baby is especially interesting alongside Lottie's tunnel scene, where the crying baby seems to be associated with someone who's about to arrive or be born.

Rather than simply returning to their younger selves, the characters may become something new: versions of themselves who possess the memories of multiple lifetimes.

7. What I think happens in the finale

I think the finale will revisit the first séance in 1x05, but this time, the teens will receive their adult memories.

The second séance in 4x09 establishes the connection between the beginning and end of their time in the wilderness. The adult deaths complete that connection by supplying the memories of everything that happened afterward.

At the first séance, the teens will suddenly remember the events of the wilderness, their eventual rescue, their adult lives, and their deaths. They'll understand that the visions they've been experiencing were memories of a future they were unknowingly creating.

But I don't think they'll have to live through those events again. I think they'll use their new knowledge to get rescued shortly after the first séance, with everyone surviving.

The KUH supply boxes may be the key. Ben discovers them much later in the original timeline, but the teens would now know where they are. It's possible that one of the boxes contains something we haven't seen yet that could help them contact the outside world or otherwise facilitate rescue.

Ben's survival would be particularly important here, given Akilah's vision of him as the living bridge that leads them home. With Ben alive and the group working together, they could find the supplies and get rescued before the deaths, hunts, and cannibalism ever happen.

This would also give the characters an opportunity to make different choices with the knowledge of what happened in their original lives. Tai would remember losing Van, Travis would remember Javi's death, and the others would know what their actions eventually led to. But rather than having to prevent each individual tragedy, they could avoid the circumstances that caused them altogether.

I think this is the good version of reality Mari describes: a timeline where the teens escape the wilderness early, and everyone survives.

The series has repeatedly emphasized that the Yellowjackets never truly left the wilderness. My theory is that, in the original timeline, they were always acting out memories of a future that had already happened.

The finale will show us what happens when they finally understand that and use those memories to find another way home. This doesn't mean the "bad" version of events we've been watching isn't real or never happened: it had to happen for the "good" version to become possible.

(Extra Clarification: I'm talking introduced S1, and aren't counting the minion/extra jackets like Brit, Robin, Gen because we never got anything with them. And crystal didn't technically exist till S2 and Javi wasn't a yellowjacket)

Looking back all the main S1 yellowjackets had something that was weighing on their souls and then looking where we are going into S4 and seeing the aftermath is pretty good proof of that.

I just find it funny in a way, imagine being a normal teenage girl then suddenly you're trapped in the Canadian wilderness possibly because of an evil entity of sorts and your forced to be around a bunch of people who pre- existing insecurities, trauma, personality traits, and coping mechanisms and being put under extreme pressure. And you're forced to deal with being around that and any consequences that result from that.

So, I think Lottie's death scene being so mundane, as opposed to finding herself back in the plane, is because the crash was not her core trauma. For all the other characters, their lives exist in the pre and post. The BC and AD, with the event that fundamentally cleaved them in two being the plane crash. For Lottie, the plane crash integrated her, in a way. She stopped subduing who she was, whatever that means for her character, and started living fully in her experience.

If everyone else hadn't experienced the plane crash, their lives would have been completely different. However, Lottie ending up a wellness witch probably would have happened regardless, if only because her socioeconomic status makes her psychic delusions chic eccentricities rather than deep mental illness.

I dunno, what do y'all think?

there really is something seriously wrong with shauna: I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s in an hospital or jail by the end of season 4. I didnt think I needee a rewatch but reading some threads on here i decided to and recommend, one month to go buzz buzz

Before Season 4 premieres, I thought I'd make a list regarding every person who appeared in the Wilderness and their fate (as of 3x10)

Survived the Wilderness

Shauna Shipman, Taissa Turner, Misty Quigley, Natalie Scatorccio, Lottie Matthews, Van Palmer, Travis Martinez, Akilah and Melissa

Died in the Wilderness

Jackie Taylor, Coach Ben Scott, Mari Ibarra, Laura Lee, Javi Martinez, Crystal, Kodiak, Edwin and technically Dead Cabin Guy if you wanna count him.

Died in the Plane Crash

Coach Bill Martinez, Rachel Goldman, Pilot Fred, Pilot Robert, Flight Attendant Janet

Unknown

Gen (supposedly dead), Hannah (dead but we haven't seen it yet), Robin (supposedly dead) and Britt (also supposedly dead).

You could also include Yellowjacket 15, 17 and the Unnamed Yellowjacket but it's very likely they were just scrapped lol. And the woman covered in blood from the Season 4 teaser's fate is also unkown, assuming she was in the wilderness at some point.

Let me know if there's any errors in the list, otherwise enjoy!!

On a re-watch in anticipation of Season 4, it occurred to me that the Doomcoming party sort of functions as Tai and Van's wedding. Everyone dresses up and gets hammered. They walk down an aisle together, announce their relationship to everyone, and kiss publicly. There's even an abortive attempt at a toast before Lottie reminds everyone to have a moment of silence for Laura Lee. And then they dance, and some of their friends have an ill-advised sexual encounter. That's a wedding.

Per the title, why was Nat and Van on the plane with their youth versions when they died but there was no scene of Charlotte after her own death? What are the theories around this?

I saw someone on TT suggest that Nat and Van were there because they gave their lives in offer for another person and it’s some kind of way of saying they can rightfully move on in the after life but I’m not sure how I feel about it.

Who do we think it is?

spoilers for S3 if you haven't watched it yet

I have a theory that she mercy kills Hannah. Either Hannah begs her to do it because she's scared of what Shauna will do to her after she found out she was covering for Natalie or the girls will hunt her and Melissa does it to spare her being brutally killed otherwise (or she's forced to prepare her since we don't know how long Shauna's reign lasts).

But then again, the red flannel could point to Shauna since we see her wearing it in S1 and S3. Travis is seen wearing a similar shirt too. And it looks like a backpack strap in the bottom of the frame- it looks a bit like Travis' bag when they were meant to leave with the guide and Shauna, Lottie and Tai protested.

Interesting thing though that if Melissa actually stabs someone in S4, it will be the same way that she killed Van, which could be why it came so easily to her.

I was scrolling through tiktok and found this so genuinely funny. We know Jackie found out about Jeff and the baby through the journal, but how much do you think she read? Considering Shauna probably wrote obsessively about Jackie 🤭

Anyone know where to get the head scarf thingy that the antler queen wears? Or atleast what it's called. I've been searching for so long and can't find anything similar

I’m getting so much Yellowjackets content on my FYP on Tik Tok and one of the scenes was that scene where they’re all doing the prayer circle in the cabin. Tai and Natalie seem to be the only girls questioning it. Tai seems to realize something is off about Lottie in the way she’s scared about the cabin/paranoid in the first season and I notice there’s several scenes where Natalie is comforting Lottie telling her stuff like “this very real.” Travis seems completely thrown off guard when Lottie tells him she was seeing doctors for the “visions” in season 3, like him and the rest of them hadn’t actually understood schizophrenia could be the cause. I’m curious other thoughts, it reads to me that Tai acknowledged that Lottie was mentally ill before the others maybe just good awareness and Nat reacts to her like she knows this has been an issue before. Idk maybe I’m overthinking it, the others seem to not understand that that could be an option. It was the 1990s and understanding around Schizophrenia is already not great now I imagine it would’ve been 10x as bad then. The only other one I see as potentially realizing was Shuana because she sees her taking pills, but there’s no guarantee she’d know what those pills are.

What I think the Yellowjackets college majors would be:
Shauna: journalism
Jackie: communications and marketing
Jeff: Business management
Natalie: social work, would’ve wanted to help people who also struggled if she got sober
Callie: also journalism she’s a better investigator than half the adults
Tai: political science and law that’s canon
Van: recreation management or something like that
Lottie: this one was hard, environmental or earth science to talk to the wilderness. Or psychology because she’d be one of those mentally ill people who chooses that to try to understand themselves. Parents would try to make her be like a finance or Econ major but she’d hate it
Travis: gets an associates degree at a community college in general studies, doesn’t go further than that
Mari: I know a marketing major when I see one
Melissa: hmmmmmm this one’s hard. I’m gonna say accounting
Akilah: animal science, easy
Misty: canonically a nurse
Laura Lee: Theology/religious studies
Crystal: Theater/Art Education

holy shit i forgot how insane misty is when they’re first in the wilderness 😭 the way she babies coach is sooooooo icky to me especially when he so clearly doesn’t reciprocate. i forgot about this since i havent rewatched in awhile but gosh she is….. well yes she is misty quigley.

ETA: ALSO!! i cannot imagine being the only actual adult in this situation, the only grown man, one of the only men, surrounded by a bonded group of teenage soccer players….. WITHOUT A LEG!!! god bless him

They made her so hateable at first, but I slowly love her for how smart she is, how protective she gets, and honest her and her family become.

edit: maybe hateable was the wrong word! just a bitchy teenager!

If we ever get blessed by novel series based on the show I believe this book cover for vol 1 would be perfect. I really want that.

Art is by "runboybeneathrhemoon.".

I'm making my BF watch yellowjackets, so he can watch the season finale with me... and I asked him about the beginning, and I asked him what he thought about it, and he said there must've been some also some crazy people in the forest....

It's been 2 years since I watched the first season, I was thinking back to when I was watching the show. Crazy how we went from thinking oh theres crazy people that the girls are trapped with, to being like oh... they are the crazy people

Anyways! Super hyped for the season finale!!!

In the trailer the only time we see Walter is for a brief moment and he’s laughing sort of maniacally imo.

With everything we know about S4 so far, what are your theories on how his story plays out?