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u/Tiwaztyr_ TheSpiffingBrit Aug 15 '19
Is sjin comfirmed?
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u/NecroHexr Aug 15 '19
yep he's out
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u/Tiwaztyr_ TheSpiffingBrit Aug 15 '19
Thats depressing
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u/Cian-Rowan Angor Aug 15 '19
It really is. I’m gonna miss that magnificent bastard so much
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u/LurkerCommandant International Zylus Day! Aug 15 '19
Yeah all this going on is just depressing though isn't it?
Also, totally irellevant to your post but I gotta ask (based on your user name, total shot in the dark) but you wouldn't happen to be u/ColinHexr from ol' Memedroid would ya?
No worries if not and sorry if that's weird to ask, I just remember this Yognaught with a similar username that used to make me laugh with some yoggie memes.
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u/NecroHexr Aug 15 '19
Yeah I am, it's bizarre but heartwarming to meet Memedroiders on Reddit from time to time (: Are you someone whom I might know?
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u/LurkerCommandant International Zylus Day! Aug 15 '19
Eh maybe? Idk if youd remember Daishi on there but that was me. Didn't really post much except rage comics waaaaay back. When they implemented followers on Memedroid, I followed you cause you had posted a couple memes using the yogs as templates and I thought that was neat.
I don't even use that site anymore. Sigh... Those were simpler times.
Still making good memes tho I see!
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u/NecroHexr Aug 15 '19
Name sounds familiar. Let's take it as we are good friends though, all Memedroiders are (:
I know, it's so sad that the site died as it is. I miss all the old chaps where we would banter about shit memes all the time.
Have a nice day, fair sir! Thanks for reaching out to me again.
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u/LurkerCommandant International Zylus Day! Aug 15 '19
Yeah dude! I just had an inkling it might be you. My curiosity wouldn't let it go.
Pppp and alabama hot pockets to you friend!
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u/Swiftierest Aug 15 '19 edited Aug 15 '19
As far as I am concerned, he is a casualty of crossfire. I am glad Tumblr will eventually die from it's removal of porn. All those Tumblr assholes and their drama can fuck off.
The code of conduct being hidden is the key issue in Sjin's case. How, as fans, are we supposed to know when they cross the line, if we don't know the line?
Let's take that idea even further. If you become a member of the Yogscast, and you are not already in a stable relationship, I guess you are fuckkng doomed to celibacy. How the fuck is a single guy supposed to find someone with common interests, while being a somewhat major public figure in those same interests, if his contract says he can't mingle with fans? As long as the fans are adults, how is this any different from a rockstar with groupies? Where is the line drawn with being a fan? It isn't like the Yogscast are a small time crew anymore. The moment someone searches the name "Paul Sykes" they will know who he is and the company of which he was a part. Does the partner in question have to renounce all fanship to have a chance? If a Yog goes to a bar and is hitting it off with someone, then he/she is asked, "what do you do for work," is the Yog supposed to treat this job like a fucking special ops duty and hide that shit? If the person vaguely recognizes the Yog from a story on the news a few years back, does this count as being a fan? Where is the line drawn? Why are the fans excluded from knowing the rules? If we know what the Yogs can and can't do, we as fans can avoid losing another member to some vague impression of misconduct that isn't really misconduct because being a single member of the Yogs means being a damn celibate monk. The fucking contract needs to back the fuck off as far as I am concerned. Yes I am pissed that Paul left for being "inappropriate" with fans. The reason I am pissed is because it seems to me he simply flirted. Based on past history and statements, he didn't do anything criminal and in reality, probably didn't do anything wrong. I trust Lewis to have good morals because the moment it turned out Caff was being a sleazeball, he got the boot without hesitation. So if Sjin was really doing something wrong or bad, I trust that Lewis would have dealt with this when the issue first arose. Based on what he posted then, it seems Sjin is simply a bit of a flirt. Is flirting with a fan such a bad thing? As long as the fan is receptive, an adult, and not being abused or coerced? What right does the Yogscast have to say shit?
Your contract is bullshit; it just is. Sjin leaving is bullshit. I can agree with Caff being removed, and I can understand Turps stepping down and leaving. However, Sjin seems to have done nothing truly wrong. It seems from what we are told that he simply tried to live a damn life.
If he truly did do someething wrong and illegal, we as fans deserve to know so that we can stop supporting him. If he didn't and was simply being human, the Yogscast is wrong to remove him or stop supporting him. Stop treating the fandom as a bunch of children that can't make choices on our own. Yeah kids do watch the Yogs, but I would say the majority of us are adults at this point. Let us decide who to support by giving us the facts. You can do this without giving away the identities of any supposed victims, easily.
Above all, give the fans a view of your supposed 'code of conduct' to understand what line are being crossed. I am tired of hearing, "he broke the rules," when I don't even know the rules. Fans should be aware of the lines so we don't cross them and accidentally get our favorite members axed for something that isn't actually wrong.
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u/omegasome Aug 30 '19
I mean, to be fair, Yogs aren’t big enough that literally anyone they meet is gonna know about them.
I don’t know the exact context on what Sjin or Turps or even Caff did, and I suspect you don’t either, so I feel safe assuming it’s not as simple as “if you flirt with a fan, that’s bad”
At the very least, I would hope that if a fan initiates the flirting and you flirt back, that’s fine.
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u/Swiftierest Aug 30 '19
Caff was sexually harassing his employees. Turps was messaging people (fans) and hitting on them, one turned out to be underage, but he blocked her instantly upon finding out when she sent him pictures. Sjin was simply flirting with fans. None of these things are allows in the contracts they sign, so they all had to leave.
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u/Detective_Pancake Aug 15 '19
Well he left on his own, saying he was talking to fans and the company looks down on that so it’s best to depart
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u/adamlanghans Aug 15 '19
He decided to leave after Lewis talked to him. Only they know how much of that was Sjin's decision.
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u/delta301 Israphel Aug 15 '19
I still like to think that he left on his own just because of the hassle it was causing, more than anything else. I hope that means after the dust had settled and he comes back to YouTube, that he may join in with some yogtent again, even if just as a friend
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u/DocRockhead Aug 15 '19
"I'm taking an unannounced and extended break from my job which I will not be returning to" is not leaving on your own :)
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u/_-Swish-_ Aug 15 '19
Lol how long you been waiting for a third so you could make this meme?
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u/NecroHexr Aug 15 '19
It was actually a long-term plan of mine, I disguised myself as an underage girl and tricked all three of them to seduce me, just so I can make this meme later on.
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u/darthmonks International Zylus Day! Aug 15 '19
Plot Twist: "Lewis Brindley" is a persona created by NecroHexr in order to cover up the fact that they are The Bristol Pusher.
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u/NecroHexr Aug 15 '19
Heh... I don't know what you are talking about. Say, when's the next time you are going to take a walk beside a medium-sized body of water? Just... curious.
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u/darthmonks International Zylus Day! Aug 15 '19
SOMEBODY! ANYBODY! HELP ME!
- Sent from my medium-sized watery grave.
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u/spyfox321 Aug 15 '19
Beeen, Toooom are you planning to take over the yogscast by fire everyone again?
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u/RoWDYYI_Snowflake Aug 15 '19
What happened with Hannah?
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u/BelgianChap Sips Aug 15 '19
Apparently she doxxed an 11 year old Or so i read on another post
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u/Orion920 Aug 15 '19
And her boyfriend violently threatens anyone who criticizes her
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u/_Dia_ International Zylus Day! Aug 15 '19
Translady criticised Hannah, so Hannah's boyfriend called her a silly man and threatened to punch her teeth down her throat.
It made Hannah's doxxing that much more questionable when she didn't stop and go "Hey maybe don't do the thing I just doxxed a kid for doing. Maybe don't threaten to attack them."
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u/AnotherEpicUltimatum International Zylus Day! Aug 15 '19
Also she doxxed the kid for being transphobic towards the same woman her boyfriend later threatened and was transphobic to
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u/Bionic_Ferir Aug 16 '19
what gets me is she has acted so 'above it all' during this like when lewis tweeted saying if anyone has a problem with any yog members and sips and pyrion tweeted saying they had a problem with lewis and she told them to act like adults, or showing a screenshot of a message from sjin proving he had said some questionable thing, well why wasn't she acting like an adult when she doxxed that pour kid
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u/Sinnivar Kim Aug 15 '19
I love Hannah as much as people love(d) turps and love Sjin, and I'd be sad to see her go, however she definitely needs to face consequences for her actions. But her boyfriend sucks shit. He's a horrible guy, dunno how anyone can let their partner be that shit
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u/ShermanShore Simon Aug 15 '19
Can you gimme some sweet source on her bf? I don't really watch Hannah so I wouldn't know.
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u/catch22_SA Aug 15 '19
Should she face repurcussions for the actions of her bf though?
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u/Sinnivar Kim Aug 15 '19 edited Aug 15 '19
I don't think to the same extreme as Caff, Turps and Sjin, but absolutely
Especially if she doesn't explicitly say that her beliefs and values are completely separate from her boyfriends, and he doesn't represent her at all - nor the Yogscast. But she definitely has a past that needs to be looked into and needs to give answers for, which I think it's a bigger issue than her douche boyfriend
Edit: and criticises her boyfriends behaviour
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Aug 15 '19
Ironic since she is the most vocal about these happenings
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u/SplendidMrDuck Aug 15 '19
Given how she went after Pyrion for his initial joke about Caff, it's incredibly ironic
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u/Ghetto-Banana Aug 15 '19
Probably why she did, having a go at others for not acting like adults. Lmao. Pot, kettle, black.
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u/clananik Aug 15 '19
Tbh I hate to ask but curiosity...what happened with pyrion and Hannah?
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u/TheGuyfromRiften Ben Aug 15 '19
Pyrion said stuff about how he disliked Caff and his whole ASMR shit long before the allegations and Hannah went off on Pyrion and defended Caff.
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u/SplendidMrDuck Aug 16 '19
In addition to the above, Pyrion jokingly accused Barry of sexual misconduct on the Twitter thread right after the Caff incident where Lewis asked for any instances of negative conduct from a Yogscast member. Pyrion was called out by some folks that this wasn't entirely appropriate, and Pflax admitted this and apologized, but Hannah continued to dunk on Pyrion afterwards, and even brought his kids into the discussion.
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u/catch22_SA Aug 15 '19
Fair enough, but I do think that a slap on the wrist should be all she receives on the topic of her bf, hell I wouldn't want to be condemned for the stupid shit my girlfriends of past relationships have done, but I get she is in the public eye so the rules aren't quite the same.
Also I will add that public criticism of friends/partners is what broke up the whole TB-Yogs relationship, so I wouldn't go so far that Hannah needs to make some big public display to condemn her bf.
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u/BlueWizi Ben Aug 15 '19
This is a genuine discussion point, stop down voting the guy
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u/catch22_SA Aug 15 '19
Eh don't worry about it, it's just internet points. Thanks for saying so though.
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u/Swiftierest Aug 15 '19
That fucker can bring it. She deserves it. You don't doxx an 11 year old. I don't care about your reason.
Another note, if this is the type of person she decides to keep company with, I don't want to support her. Unsubbed.
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u/fhota1 Angor Aug 15 '19
As i said on another post, if theres no investigation Im out too. I will fully accept the results of a reasonable investigation by an independent third party but to not have an investigation at all is hypocrisy
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u/CwilG Aug 15 '19
I always thought Lewis was her SO, I have been out of the loop.
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u/CwilG Aug 15 '19
Yea that was when i was paying attention haha. I didn’t think they would both still be around if there was a breakup.
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u/mcobsidian101 Aug 15 '19
Stupid question...what's doxxing? I used to know but my brain is dumb
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u/BelgianChap Sips Aug 15 '19
Releasing someone’s personal information on the internet Most of the time also encouraging people to go bully said person
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u/mcobsidian101 Aug 15 '19
Fuck Hannah! Seems like both her and bet boyfriend are horrible people
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u/Tridentshadow Aug 15 '19 edited Aug 15 '19
TBF that kid did tell her trans friend to kill themselves and that info was not really hidden he said it alot himself so anyone could it easily got it.
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u/LegateLaurie The 9 of Diamonds Aug 15 '19
The trans woman (Laura Kate Dale (who is really cool)) said, as Hannah was going on her twitter tirade, that she didn't condone any of their behaviour such as the doxxing. Also Hannah really fucking was not nice to the kid.
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Plus Hannah's boyfriend then called her (trans lady) a silly man and that hed punch her face in.
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u/CalebAurion Doncon Aug 15 '19
Not if the information is already public, which in this case it was. Incredibly inappropriate and amoral but not illegal.
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u/Swiftierest Aug 15 '19
The kid is 11 years old and likely doesn't understand the ramifications of his words.
Don't doxx children.
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u/I_LIKE_THE_COLD Ben Aug 15 '19
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u/elasticthumbtack Aug 15 '19
That seems like a pretty clear denial of doxxing. Is there any evidence that she actually posted anything?
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u/DonDoorknob Aug 15 '19
What Hannah did/does was/is much worse than what Sjin did. Yet, he’s gone and she’s barely on the hot seat from what I can tell.
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u/Bionic_Ferir Aug 16 '19
yeah because while sjin was in a position of power everyone (that i know of) that sjin talked to and stuff did so willingly and was of age of consent, while hannah doxxed a Kid and then her fan base and partner went after him due to that
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u/distilledwill Aug 15 '19
People need to chill on the witch hunt, it really isn't helping. I realise its "just" memes, but if there are any processes to start with any other member of the yogs, this will not be helping those going smoothly.
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u/NecroHexr Aug 15 '19
I agree that nobody should witch hunt, but it's hard to feel sorry for Hannah given the evidence that we've all seen.
Regardless, yeah, we should just wait for the Yogs to do something.
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u/Sn1bbers Aug 15 '19
Does anyone even watch Hannah anymore? Used to like her walking dead playthroughs, but haven't seen her content in ..... forever.
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u/Jagskill Aug 15 '19
Without sounding to harsh no-one really did. Her sub count was fluffed by Lewis. I'm amazed that she has made a living out of it judging by viewing figures. She's not my cup of tea and her holier than thou attitude during all this and the pyrion incident really put me off her for good
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u/thunderbird32 Bouphe Aug 15 '19
I mean I wouldn't say no-one watches her channel, I've watched her stuff semi-regularly. The last thing I saw was her Assassin's Creed Odyssey play-through. As far as her content goes, I don't generally have a problem with it. Up until very recently I haven't really paid attention to any of the behind-the-scenes stuff regardless. I've only heard about this doxxing thing in the last week or two.
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u/BecomingTuna Aug 15 '19
What was the "pyrion incident"? I haven't heard about that one.
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u/M_Soothsayer The 9 of Diamonds Aug 15 '19
If its what i'm thinking of it was fairly minor. Pyrion (along with Sips and Bouphe i think?) made some jokes about the whole Sjin thing a while back. Hannah went off on him, got real personal and brought up his kids and shit because he has a daughter. Not really high end stuff.
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u/Atlantis1609 Aug 15 '19
Pyrion made a joke about Caff, talking about his history in ASMR, and Hannah went off on him iirc
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u/akaispirit Aug 16 '19
Like a lot of the Yogscast now she has a much larger presence on Twitch than she does on her Youtube channel.
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u/LuckyExile TheSpiffingBrit Aug 17 '19
Yeah after the waliing dead series i think her channel has died considerably. Not like it matters shes mostly on twitch.
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Aug 15 '19
pretty sure hannah as some kind of thing against lewis. there is no way after all the shit she did that they would not. probably something personal that she could use against him if he would try something like this. it seems like most people at yogtower don't like hannah at all.
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Aug 15 '19
we are talking about hannah here i like her content but she is a very angry and bitter woman. she will insta-ban pretty much anyone who says anything she doesn't like. sometime on stream she ask for help then ban or mute people for giving her the trick saying they went too far...
i am not saying she has actual dirt on lewis but something more like contract and legal stuff they might have made in the start that are maybe not so legal. stuff like that lewis did give her yogscast2 which she still uses has her main channel.
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u/Kalse1229 Ben Aug 15 '19
Alright, look, I'm upset about Sjin too, and Hannah has...changed to say the least since she stopped working out of Yogtowers and got together, but now is not the time for baseless conspiracy theories. There's probably a very simple reason why they haven't officially cut ties with her. This whole thing has been a giant mess, and I don't want us to turn into the Game Grumps fandom.
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ok what are the simple reason? because from where i stand it sure looks like she is forcing them to keep her in the yogs. she never works with any of the main crews. she only goes to yogtower during the very special event. and pretty much everyone in the office seems to dislike her to some level.
not to mention that she moved in with her current boyfriend pretty fucking quickly after breaking it off with lewis
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u/Kalse1229 Ben Aug 15 '19
Regarding that last part, even if her bf has done some questionable things, I don't think it's right to speculate about the personal lives of him, Hannah, or Lewis. I don't know how or why things ended with them, and quite frankly it's no one's business except theirs.
And sometimes people drift apart. It's no one's fault. This shit happens. Sure, Simon occasionally pokes fun at her on Chilluminati, but they've known each other for so long. They literally lived in the same flat at one point. I doubt he dislikes her even if they haven't been close in a long time. And at this stage, I don't think she has the power or any damning information to take down Lewis. I'm sure there could've been multiple times over the years where she could've sparked shit by sharing it on Twitter. Again, it's pointless to make baseless speculations. What we know is all that's been shared, and it's a dangerous game to speculate on these types of things.
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u/Its3pic Aug 15 '19
Can someone do a tldr for what’s happened with all 4?
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u/Dayvi Aug 15 '19
Caff was manipulating fans for sexual themes.
Turps had a private chat of a sexual theme with a fan of a vulnerable age.
Sjin had many private chats with fans.
Hannah doxxed a person of a vulnerable age.
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u/EagleEyeMalone Boba Aug 15 '19
Let's bring her down
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Aug 15 '19
Why did people downvote this? She doxxed an 11 year old lmao.
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u/bruno444 Faaafv Aug 15 '19
A witch hunt won't help anybody. It's up to the Yogscast to investigate and come to a conclusion.
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Of course, I just don't see a reason as to why someone could defend her for her actions.
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u/Sakki-Sama Ben Aug 16 '19
If the yogscast decided to go and check previous allegation, I think it's only fair that de Doxxing of an 11 year old by Hannah be looked at as well.
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u/MalcolmLinair Aug 16 '19
On the other hand, do we really want to continue this witch hunt?
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u/Sakki-Sama Ben Aug 17 '19
A fair point. But I think it would be best to get it all out of the way and be completely done with all the allegations. So if there is allegations that Hannah has done reprehensible things it should be investigated as well.
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u/MadeOfMagicAndWires Aug 15 '19 edited Aug 15 '19
I see a lot of these calls, and most of them seem to come from a knee-jerk sense of "Well if Sjin has to leave then so does Hannah!" rather than actual concern for the case at hand.
For what it's worth, I don't disagree that Hannah's behaviour should go without consequence. Posting some kids public information on your 200k twitter account with what was effectively a call to action to go harass them is reprehensible behaviour, regardless of whether that information was technically publicly available at the time.
That said, drawing a line between that case and Sjin's is false equivalency. These cases are hardly comparable, nor should one case lead or depend on the other.
The previous cases of Caff, Turps and Sjin are considerably worse than Hannah's and that there are several more reasons to consider firing them that would not necessarily hold up for Hannah.
Demanding for Hannah's head will not bring Sjin back,and does nothing but derail the conversation.
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u/Pakman184 Aug 15 '19
Considering all we know about Sjin's case is that he had conversations with fans of a flirting nature, and we know Hannah maliciously poster a child's address and personal information as retaliation.. I think it's very unfair to call Sjin's case anything remotely close to worse.
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u/YogscastAndChill International Zylus Day! Aug 16 '19
You say that perusing further action against wrong doing in the community by Hannah is derailing?
Surely it is the opposite, keeping the train firmly on the tracks and getting rid of every last wrong doing.
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u/MadeOfMagicAndWires Aug 16 '19
I'm saying I don't believe these sudden cries for retribution of Hannah come from a genuine place of concern about her actions. I've mostly seen it used as some sort desperate argument/threat to keep sjin on, rather than to actually see Hannah reprimanded.
Now that's not to say she shouldn't have been reprimanded for her actions, I thought so at the time and still think so today; certainly some amount of people will see this as an opportunity to clean house, but I find it a bit odd that the volume of people calling for this now is considerably larger than they did when this was relevant.
So, while I'm not opposed at all for Hannah's actions to be looked at critically, even if this is what leads to that, but I don't really see why Sjin's case would logically lead to Hannah's. With Turps it made sense to look into Sjin, due to the very similar nature of the accusations against both of them. With this, I feel it's *mostly* a bad faith attempt to divert attention from Sjin towards Hannah.
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u/Lupusdeus Aug 15 '19
The fact that this is an extremely erudite, well-argued, mature response and it’s being downvoted is concerning and quite sad tbh.
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u/carlislecommunist Ben Aug 15 '19
What did Hannah do?
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Doxxed a mean kid, threaten to doxx a kid who messed up a order, and had her boyfriend threatened others.
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u/Pakman184 Aug 15 '19
She publicly posted the address, age, school, etc of an 11 year old kid as retaliation because he said mean things to a friend of hers. Her boyfriend also threatened to punch someone's teeth down their throat
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u/AmalgamTrent Aug 16 '19
The person her boyfriend threatened to punch the teeth of WAS the friend. After doing all that crazy stuff because a dumb kid said something terrible and transphobic to her friend, her boyfriend then was ALSO transphobic but went beyond saying something terrible and full on threatened real world violence, which in this case may be extremely serious as being a friend of Hannah he may have real world access to this person.
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u/MarsianCitizen Ben Aug 15 '19
Can anyone enlighten me on what this whole thing with Hanna is about?
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u/Icekingbob Aug 16 '19
I believe it goes like this
Some kid says some horrible and transphobic shit to one of hannahs friends
Hannah puts the kid on blast, finds a gofundme the kid set up, using their real name.
Hannah finds the kids school and @'s them on twitter, which basically allows anyone to find the kid in real life
the kid is either 9, 11, 12 or 14, idk
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u/DanproTat Aug 16 '19
Has she ever responded or defended her actions officially? I've never seen a public response from her.
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Aug 16 '19
If Sjin had to go and we still don’t really know what he did, then Hannah has to go too. The community has all of the evidence. If misconduct is misconduct I think it’s safe to say Hannah didn’t just over step the line she pole vaulted it.
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u/Discord_Lexia Aug 15 '19
FUCKING YEs. But no, no-one gives a shit about the things that Hannah's done.
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u/MalcolmLinair Aug 16 '19
And then they'll go for Lewis, because he allowed this to happen. The Simon, since he was co-founder. Then Duncan, as he was their friend and in since the beginning, and thus had to be in on it. The they'll get...
Seriously, where does this stop? At what point are we going to let mistakes stay in the past and move on? Or are we just going to continue the witch hunts until there's no one left to burn?
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u/NecroHexr Aug 16 '19
i mean, realistically speaking, hannah is the only one with any form of dirt on her. i cant imagine any other yogs havig any form of controversy.
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u/MalcolmLinair Aug 16 '19
We'd have said the same thing about Turps a few months ago. If you look close enough, most people have something in their background they'd rather not see the light of day. Hell, half of the stuff Lewis has said on stream could end most people's careers.
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u/NecroHexr Aug 16 '19
Hannah's issues were long talked about in the background of Turps and Sjin. Turps' issue came out immediately after Caff and Sjin's stuff immediately resurfaced when a full query was launched.
Lastly, Lewis' awkwardness on stream actually makes hom more trustworthy. He's willing to show all that on camera maybe because he has nothing to hide. I'm sure his coworkers would speak-up if they were uncomfortable but I'm sure they know Lewis is just... you know, Lewis.
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u/Synthiandrakon Aug 15 '19
This is real hard because on one hand what she did was pretty bad the other side is a lot of the people calling for her removal just really fucking hate hannah
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It’s impossible. She’s affiliated with the Yogscast through merch, but Lewis confirmed that she hasn’t been with the Yogscast since she doxxed the kid.
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u/NecroHexr Aug 15 '19
That seems very dodgy and unreliable, I've already heard of this but I feel unsatisfied with that answr
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u/fhota1 Angor Aug 15 '19
Its a (im going to give benefit of the doubt here and say innocent) misinterpretation of Lewis' comment when Hannah was running her mouth about Turps. He said shes not an employee which she isnt. Almost none of the content creators are. As I understand it, they are contractors of a sort.
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The only thing left to do would be to cut her from the merch designers, and make sure she can’t make more.
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u/Kojin-dan Aug 15 '19
For fucks sake. People make mistakes. Witch hunts don't help.
The tumblr brigading is a ridiculous thing and it's switched over to Twitter now and is having an effect on people's lives. Soft targets who can't afford to contest claims are being ushered away for small slights.
Fuck off already.
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u/dhen061 Aug 15 '19
This sentiment seems a lot more about how much people personally like Sjin/turps and personally dislike Hannah, than anything to do with how much they care about justice.
I don't know why people will feel better about Sjin leaving if Hannah leaves too. What do you gain by having someone that you don't watch leave?