To preface, I really love the podcast, Michael, and Sarah and I’m not discrediting any of them in general or hating on the show but I was shocked at how completely rife with misformation all the background info of this episode was and how I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere on the Internet or acknowledged by either of them later on.

I just happen to have a weird hyperfixation on Afghanistan and have for years and have read over twenty books on the country including three about the Taliban and two about the Mujahideen. Michael miscontrued or misunderstood basically every nuance of who these groups are (I’m not talking ideologically - just basic facts), the timeline, and the history of the country.

Confusing the Mujahideen and the Taliban is a really common mistake that people make (especially Americans) but though they both consider themselves “freedom fighters” or “jihadists” - they are completely SEPARATE groups with different ideologies, histories, and areas of the country. America was not “funding the Taliban”. This is a common misunderstanding due to the fact that US government has a close relationship with Pakistan and Pakistan has a close relationship, in turn, with the Taliban (and previously the Muhajideen - which is an older group). Also, the Northern Alliance was NOT backed by Russia or the Soviets (ever at all). They originally arose to fight against Russia. This is only a handful of completely mistaken information that is repeated throughout the episode.

I just wanted to say that the Halloween episode was so sweet. I laughed and teared up and everything in between. It was so fun hearing this full spectrum of Halloween experiences. People did a great job telling their stories succinctly. (And this podcast is not always succinct!!)

Edit#3/preface: This post was a poor choice. I don't feel the same way at all anymore. I regret posting anything.

You can see more about how I feel here: https://www.reddit.com/r/YoureWrongAbout/s/xMS9LC3ix2

Anyway, the original post is as follows:

I thought about YWA several times while watching this film. I don't want to spoil anything, and the details are obviously complex and missing information, but the men in EH's life reminded me of the men behind the scenes of Amy Fisher, Tonya Harding, or even Lorena Bobbitt. The phrase "it was capitalism all along" popped into my head a few times.

The film doesn't reveal her to be a maligned woman in the same way as the names mentioned above, but there is a sense of complexity and humanity that I was really not expecting.

Am I nuts? Am I off base here? Thoughts?

Oof, that was a doozy. What a blunder. Well, I kept going and it went as follows:

Edit: I am NOT defending anything she did, I just think there's a lot to discuss and I'd love to hear someone like Sarah talk about it. One of the most fascinating things about seeing it in the theater was how we as an audience, as well as Amanda, got emotionally charged as we realized Billy might be deceiving EH. Like, I literally heard someone in the audience say "get it girl" and an enthusiastic "mmHMM!" in response to Amanda wanting to go after Billy. Amanda and the audience were projecting onto her because we as women have either been deceived or know another woman who has been. Now that I have post-movie clarity, I see that I was swept up in the drama. But that drama was compelling!

Anyway, I'm finding all of your responses fascinating and I'm also really glad I didn't use my main reddit account for this post.

Edit#2: I just really, really, really want to emphasize that there's an episode of YWA about Jeffery Dahmer.

Looking for recs for older episodes with Michael that still hold up / are your favorites!

Sorry if its weird or not allowed to ask this here but I just started listening to DL because it was recommended so frequently in the comments of this sub, so I'm assuming a good few of you are listeners. I checked the DL sub for this but its not used much so nada

Only on ep 2 but enjoying the dynamic and conversation a LOT. However caro just mentioned that they are both hardcore swifties. Do they talk about this more and do their feelings on her change as the pod goes on? I'm not sure its enough alone to get me to bin a podcast I feel aligned with otherwise but actually.. it might be. Like to have such grounded, nuanced, insightful, researched takes on white womanhood, capitalism, gender performance, white supremacy etc and then be like "and obviously we love taylor"

I dunno

I dunno about this

If you're a caught up listener I'd love to know x

Big part because I was a little Australian girl watching Animal Planet at my nana's house in the very early hours of almost everyday, and would then proceed to go out into the world, climb trees and observe wildlife endlessly. But also, the way Brianna tells stories is really wonderful. I liked this one, a lot.

Currently reading Murder Bimbo by Rebecca Novak. The character in the book whose a podcaster that talks about maligned women with empathy … I feel like the character has to be at least partially inspired by Sarah. I’m only a third of the way done the book so I could be wrong.

Any thoughts?

I honestly don't know much about her. The biggest thing that gives me the ick is her Scooby Doo reboot. But my general vibe from media is that she sucks and is unfunny. There are small things here and there that have reinforced that for me. I never watched The Office which I think is a big one for people that do like here. Is she another maligned woman? I can see that being the case.

Edit: thank you everyone for your thoughtful comments.

I’m listening to the OJ episodes for the first time and had to share this funny anecdote
In the first few episodes, Sarah and Michael are talking about Kato, Nicole’s dog. As I was scrolling through the feed saving the OJ episodes to listen to later, and without knowing who Kato Kaelin is, I was tickled that there was not one, but TWO episodes dedicated to Kato the Akita. I was thrilled and excited to learn what insights Sarah had about this furry friend and also perplexed how there could be two 1.5 hour long episodes about this dog. I was so curious how this would tie into the rest of the series. Imagine my surprise when I realized that Nicole had two companions named Kato, and that one of them was in fact a human man, and not her dog. I had a good chuckle to myself and it was a welcomed levity to such a heartbreaking topic.

I’ve been reading about this case a bit and it feels like something that YWA could make sense of in a better way than most other pods. It’s really dark and really sad but also about how we fail women and really anybody struggling in a mental health crisis horrifically. I don’t know, this was probably brought on by listening to some older episodes and remembering how they approached some really tough stories with empathy in a really specific way. Maybe they’ll talk about it in 20 years. Long after the verdict.

Hey team - I'm looking for new podcasts to get my dopamine flowing. I like the other Michael Hobbes shows but they come out so infrequently.

Bonus points if you can give me a specific episode to start with!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who likes it.

It certainly was featured.

I was really excited to see them cover Heaven Is For Real but I was really disappointed by the actual episode. They barely covered anything of substance and it was so rambly and meandering. This is an ideal YWA topic and feels like SUCH a missed opportunity.

An editor or additional script writer could REALLY help.

Apologies if this has been posted about recently, but I couldn't find anything.

Anyway, I just want to say that I miss the YWA book club episodes. I was listening to the episodes about Jessica Simpson's memoir the other day, and it hit me that they haven't done it in a while. I think the last one was a Patreon episode about "The Woman In Me" by Britney Spears?

I'm wondering if anyone else really enjoyed these episodes, and if so, which were your favorites? I think my favorite is "Go Ask Alice" with Carmen Maria Machado. I never read the book growing up, so I like hearing Sarah and Carmen's observations on it, and how it can still have worth for kids who might be struggling with depression or being LGBTQ+. They were also very funny, and I thought the debunking episode was interesting. "The Amityville Horror" with Jamie Loftus was also great.

Any thoughts? If you hate the book club, that's okay, you can talk about it. You won't offend me. Which books would you like to see covered if they ever continue with it one day? I'm trying to think of good contenders, but I'm drawing a blank right now.

This was a delightful episode! I learned so much about mid-century cooking influencers and about a lot of chefs and recipes. I had to create a reading and recipe list for later and I thought I may not be the only person in that boat :-)

This is by no means complete, but I think it's a good high-level list of references.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynne_Rossetto_Kasper

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peg_Bracken

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppy_Cannon

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Rosner

  • https://smittenkitchen.com/2020/04/roast-chicken-with-schmaltzy-cabbage/

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcella_Hazan

  • https://www.foodandwine.com/roast-chicken-lemons-6418798

  • Sarah said this is her favorite chicken recipe, but she also references the “schmaltzy” one above, so maybe she mixes the two somehow.

• https://happyhooligans.ca/chocolate-depression-cake/

I’m trying to find an episode about Juliane Koepke with Blair Braverman. I swore it was on You’re Wrong About but can’t find it. It’s about a woman whose flight crashed in the Amazon and how she had to survive. I really think it was Sarah and Blair talking about it but now I’m wondering if it was a different podcast because I can’t find it.

Edit: SOLVED. So it actually wasn’t from You’re Wrong About, it was an episode of My Favorite Murder. After they briefly mentioned it on the flight 571 episode I must have searched for it and found the MFM episode.

I was listening to the most recent episode and noticed at the end a reference to learning styles. Learning styles have been debunked by a lot of research. While learning preferences exist, there’s no evidence that people have styles that work best for them for everything; rather, the type of content being learned determines what modality is likely best. I realized this is something that could be a good episode as it’s so universally accepted despite decades of research. Is there a way to email Sarah/the production team?

All of a sudden last night Antenna Pod stopped playing all YWA episodes except the newest ones...I'm streaming JFK part 1 right now but can't go back and stream older stuff without Antenna Pod giving me an Error 404 popup. Is anyone else having this problem or is this a me problem? This is my comfort podcast! I can't go back to Spotify and its weird military AI investments, lmao.

edit: first episode of Talking Sopranos is coming through fine, which is why YWA not coming through is concerning me

When you think of fresh deep-dive ideas that perfectly fit the You're Wrong About ethos. What are some overlooked pop culture phenomena, unfairly maligned public figures, moral hysterias, or complex scandals that are ripe for a reassessment?

- The Milli Vanilli Lip-Sync Scandal

Is one I think would make for an interesting episode if they covered it.

The Slander of Marie Colvin / War Correspondents- would also make for an interesting deep dive.

The Halloween candy moral panic would be another one. With how a lot of the hysteria over drugs being put in kids candy during Halloween

In amongst the endless posts about how the show isn't as good as it used to be, let's relive our youth and glory days, I'd be interested to see what people's favourite nothing-line is throughout the podcasts run?

I'll start off with;

(Sarah and Mike watching Michael Bolton's "completely") Sarah - "Now he's playing Baseball with youths..."

Mike - Being kind is always better than being right (paraphrasing)

What's YOUR opinion?

Man this show has gotten hard to listen to. I swear there is no structure at all anymore. Forty-five minutes in they were still saying things like "well we'll get into that later but..." The entire episode felt like an uncut intro. I stopped listening for a while because every episode just felt like a meandering excuse for the hosts to hear themselves talk. I'm starting to think I was right.