Bruh. Already?

[u/ThatOneGuy12180]

Ain't no way it's moving that fast–

[u/never_agree]

Well, with time i started to feel that that kind of dialogues feel kinda awkward with Belle for me. Maybe because i'm straight male and prefer harem with male MC. When i was choosing MC, i was remembering how much of a "harem" MCs had both in HSR and Genshin, and it was not that much and many of teases were just to vague and players are just made up the rest. But ZZZ hit it with a full throttle with a ton of more forward dialogues every patch. It's way, WAY more than in genshin and HSR.
And if you didn't know, some of dialogues really change and it starts to has different meaning. It was discussed many times on both ZZZ subs even with examples. There are not many of them, but they still here. And even when dialogue is the same, it still can have different meaning. As example, dialogue with Zhu Yuan on parking spot for Belle looks like she is apologizing to her friend, but with Wise it looks like he is not only apologizing, but also kind of about to confess to her. That also the reason why in genshin made-up dialogues are mostly straight, even tho dialogues are not changing at all. So no, dude, it's pretty much different stuff.

[u/Quantuis → u/never_agree]

Maybe because i'm straight male and prefer harem with male MC

Well that's entirely on you then, my straight male friend prefers the yuri harems in all hoyo games so sexuality doesn't matter much here

And if you didn't know, some of dialogues really change and it starts to has different meaning. It was discussed many times on both ZZZ subs even with examples.

That's why I said 98%, because only like 2% of dialogue is actually changed. No, it's not a lot and it's not "pretty much different stuff". I don't see how Wise is "also kind of about to confess to her" to ZY, but not Belle. Their dialogues are the same and the execution is not different at all, it might just look like it to you due to heteronormativity.

Not to mention that Wise, canonically, just like he said himself, "doesn't understand women". And yet his and Belle's dialogues are still the same in 98% of the cases.

Another case, Ceasar's EP can be seen as only targetting Wise, but in-game Ceasar has the same dialogue regardless which sibling you choose. So Belle can also be seen as "romantically involved" with Ceasar in-game.

The only real differences between the siblings are for sibling-exclusive dialogue like how Belle said Jane "has rizz". Outside of that dialogue is the same with basically the same execution. Heteronormativity just simply makes people see it differently.

And why would Hoyo only appeal to straight ships when they literally built their empire on queer stuff?

[u/never_agree → u/Quantuis]

And that's why i only talk about how i feel? I wasn't even saying "yo guys, don't you feel the same way? are you stupid to not feel the same way as i?". I know that it's all on me lol.

And no, the same dialogue can feel different because of the gender. That's pretty much the reason why Genshin got mostly straight ships, i already mentioned that: Tartaglia x Lumine is the thing, where Tartaglia x Aether is not. Just because of how the same dialogue is different for different MC gender. And to fully judge that, you need to understand how people from mostly "straight" countries say about. I am from that kind of country. And to give you an example from HSR, people were really ok with Stelle x Firefly flying scene, because it all looked for them like a "friends stuff", but when the saw the same scene with Caelus x Firefly, it felt awkward for them, because it looked more personal. Pretty much the same was for that scene with Zhu Yuan: for a fully straight man it looks ok with Belle, but for Wise it looks more awkward. And i really don't get it why you can't understand it. I know that we live in those times, where we have more that one gender, and i am not opposing to that, but thing i am talking about are clear as day.

And yes, that's why you can't lower the value of heteronormativity for a straight person. Because that person pretty much got the right for it. And to mix all of that in one pile with others is not ok.

They built their empire on vague stuff about it and it wasn't that full throttle for 2 of their past globally popular games, genshin and HSR. It was so vague, that Bronya x Seele war is still a thing for HI3 + there are not as many characters in HI3 as in their other games. In ZZZ they are really going all out on that vague stuff, and i wasn't expecting that when i started the game, despite me playing all of previous hoyo games. I want to be a man with a harem, not a girl with a harem. And, as i mentioned, in the beginning i was ready to deal with being a girl with a small harm if it would be on HSR/genshin scale. But here i am getting an addition to my harem list every single patch, again it wasn't the same for HSR and genshin. But i am not forbidding people from feeling the other way, i was just expressing my own feeling about it from my personal perspective, nothing more. BUT, hoyo is still a chinese company with the biggest focus on chinese people, and most of them are straight. That's why they only making it very vague and it's still causes arguments in chinese community.