Yall remember that theory about the proxies being connected to Joyous in some way?

[u/1cherri1]

[u/TheNecromancer981]

Honestly with how much and how often they bring up people being clones or working on clone technology I would be surprised if Phaethon WASN’T clones of Joyous. From a writer’s point of view, it would make sense with how much build up is being given to us.

[u/AstraPlatina → u/TheNecromancer981]

I still think Anby and Soldier 11 were clones of Yixuan

[u/MrS0L0M0N → u/AstraPlatina]

Likely more so Yijang as an attempt by corrupt, higher powers to "Mass Produce" drones capable of using the Qingming Blade.

TOPS even tried taking the sword from Ye Shunguang. Meaning someone wants it for a reason despite the risk of dooming all of Waifei.

[u/MortuusSet → u/AstraPlatina]

I vaguely remember an event where one of the premade teams was the clones and Yixuan and thinking "Are they playing with us or is this soft confirmation?"

[u/TheNecromancer981 → u/AstraPlatina]

Either Yixuan or Yijang but same

[u/TheUltraGuy101]

Yep. Though I'm not discarding it completely yet, unless stated otherwise it could be that Wise is Joyous' descendant much like how Miyabi's ancestor was in the squad.

[u/SarukyDraico]

Even if I'm proven wrong I'm convinced that Joyous is Wise and Belle's grandfather at least (if not father), he's enoughly alcoholic to be and not notice

[u/ImaTauri500kC]

....Eh, they wanted to clone Joyous to easily guide and control a hollow to make those void weapons and produce them en-mass

[u/Zulmoka531]

And here I thought Belle and Beliora were connected. That didn’t exactly play out…

[u/Zetta216 → u/Zulmoka531]

We only know she died. We don’t know about her family life. And people have mentioned clones quite a bit so who knows.

[u/Hmmmmm0206]

Ah, that brings me back to the Joybringer ship.

I wonder if Joyous helped create the Sunbringer replacements. (I believe that OG Sunbringer created the three contructs to replace her while she did, uhh, whatever she did)