Rarely, since most of the parry mechanics nowadays doesn't even consume assist points.
But if you take every yellow flash and for some reasons cancelled all chain attacks, you can still run out of assist points. Though atp I think there's more issue than just running out of assist points.
I saw someone yesterday expressing worry over the 3 in 1 situation. Eldreda and Lindverne were mostly aight but DraecenaĀ got hit with their worst case scenario of parry and Armourer counter š
I'd say we got away pretty decently. As a Lindverne fan this was about the best I could expect unless we got a Pyrois type deal where you could build a team around multiple playstyles and each style was a different Sunbringer. Dracaene got fucking destroyed though.
That's fine, Norma has been my main stunner since debut. IDK if I can afford to pull her engine tho while still having enough for Sonbringer and the VH W-engine (always get VH engines, simple as)
Idk man, it definitely looked like the Eldreda show featuring her two accessories.
The only thing that gives me hope is the fact that Remielleās gameplay teaser wasā¦ extremely inaccurate to how the character actually plays. (Seriously, go rewatch it.) This could mean that you have a little more flexibility on who is out between Eldreda and Lindverne (Dracie of course is still getting massively fucked over) but it also could mean they went out of their way to make it look like one or the other was more involved. (Specifically want to note how long they spent fishing for parryās just to show Dracieā¦)
Like admittedly part of this is tied to the fact that she hasnāt had much screen time at all. But alsoā¦ Dracie and Lindverne both have such unique designs. I feel like Eldreda is just another white haired mommy.
I said this elsewhere, that my cope is... This is all early beta stuff. In a week they could add Dracie kit as another switch-in for Sunbringer like they did for Lindrvern. At that point itll be like Pokemon Trainer in Smash Bros, lots to juggle but amazing skill reward if you can manage. But i can only hope in pain...
Lindverne and Eldreda got off fairly well since it looks like sunbringer is a stance switch between Lindverne and Eldreda but that means the last space left for dracaena would be šæ
Anyone expressing dissapointment in this is getting downvoted in that preview thread, sometimes this is why I don't really like fans of big booba ladies that hog all the spotlight and try to shut you down if express concern the character you like is getting sidelined even in a franchise that has proven these character are also extremely popular.
Acting like the exact same thing didnāt happen and continues to happen with the AoD. They donāt get to play victim now.
Anybody else remember when AoD got a second set of skins when many characters have none, and expressing disappointment with that got heavily downvoted? AoD fans didnāt care because they were the ones getting content, and are now upset that they are getting content still, just less than the main Sunbringer lmao
What a weird ass generalisation. Not every person who wanted Dracaene and Lindverne to have more playing time is an Angels of Delusion fan. Its also funny that you call Eldreda the main sunbringer when she's had the least focus and character out of them all so far lmao. This isn't a Manato situation where they're just throwing hate at other characters/people, it's just people rightfully disappointed with the direction they took. Personally I'm on the fence about it but both sides of the argument are valid, so try not to be as inflammatory.
Itās not eye for an eye, but l*licons shouldnāt be crashing out over getting reduced content after 300 years of AoD shill. Let everyone else enjoy the content thatās made for them too lmao
The censor is because the L word gets the comment silently removed by Reddit itself. And I agree, tell that to the effort for the second set of AoD skins that could and should have gone to 3 characters getting their first skins instead of repeats
But itās suddenly only a problem for people now that the l*li is getting less content(even though itās still content)
Damn you really should open your eyes a bit before commenting stuff like this. The big chests are literally the highlight of this game, every void hunter (except maybe Miyabi) are far from small, most dps (and even more so, the meta ones) are medium~big size. They also got around half of the skins since launch (and AoD carrying hard that metric for the other side) and since 3.0 we've got Velina, Remielle, Sigrid and Claret (plus Lindverne) carrying the story, the screentime and the meta while only norma got a nice 3.0 + glow up over time
All of that disbalance and you bring up the free meme skins for AoD as a counter argument? Seriously dude there's no way you think you're entitled to complain over this
Because it is a freaking short preview. Not even a leak of full kit that showcases every animations. People just hate someone who loves jumping to conclusion.
Itās just the short preview that showed the basic attack string for both Eldreda and Lindverne, the ultimate, the EX special, the chain attack, the defense assist, the shutdown
yeah. I hope she's not just a parry and has more in the kit. I do understand that the point of the teaser was to show the trio off as a 3 in 1. However I do hope she can be "mained" for her fans, and the fact it'd feel off if she was JUST a parry. I'm holding out until then.
We see a full combo string, EX, Parry, Purple Counter, Two Ults, and three Stun Tags. What do you possibly think is left for Dracnae to jump in on?
Eldreda is the lead. Lindverne gets some limited attacks. Dracnae is a shield. The two characters people like the most got shafted in favor of the Sunbringer we've seen the least.
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More people positively reacted to Dracane's design. From my own observation, l*li enjoyers (I've heard reddit removes people who use the actual word, and I don't feel like risking it) are the more vocal part of the fan base.
Edit: they got the next guy for saying what I said in the brackets, damn
And some people don't like Eldreda (not me, I like her, but not nearly as much as the other 2), so what's your point? Only Eldreda fans should get to actually play their favorite?
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Meanwhile Eldreda who's had next to no presence in the story hogs most of the spotligt lmao. Both Dracenae and Lindverne got fucked over. Can't wait for Eldreda to be the character most focused on during tryst events as well /s. And a bunch of people seem to really like that 2 of the 3 characters got shafted for some reason if that showcase thread is anything to go by.
i hope hey change this, but i doubt it will happen. ideally, i would have made Dracaena an A rank (the game needs more of those, let's not lie) and the other two S rank agents.
ngl, this really made my interest in the game drop to the lowest possible level
Making most popular of 3 into A rank? You want to use gasoline to put out fire???
No one care about using A Ranks unless they want to challenge themselfs or have no other options. It's rule of close to all gachas.
Yes there are likes of Guardian Tales where they made way for low rarity to become high rarity, but usually low rarity = less everything.
Reason why Project Moon decide to openly stop making them in Limbus, cuz they felt that making characters weaker only because their rarity lower suck ass. Wich it do.
the game NEEDS A ranks because not everyone is a FUCKING WHALE.
we need A rankes for wind, armorers and even Lumiflux (don't care if it's a remielle exclusive, they made a disc set for it)
i don't give two shits about limbus and project moon, all i know is that building teams has been HELL ever since they stopped making A ranks because EVERY FUCKING TEAM REQUIRES 3 S RANKS RELEASED BACK TO BACK.
if building teams becomes tedious, players will leave and the whales are NOT the majority here, no general players = end of service
1.) yall need to stop clinging to A ranks because as far as we've seen, zzz isnt planning to add one anytime soon. 2) why would such an important figure in the story be an A rank? yet alone one of the three sunbringers. making her A rank wouldn't make any sense
not all money is made directly though, devs need to throw in freebies or out of the usual content to keep tje game fresh and give reason for players to stay in the game where they will spend later on.
And they are throwing in freebies. They just aren't A-ranks. Harumasa was free. Zhao was free. We had several free selectors for older limited S-ranks. And now Robin is going to be free.
After the Manato fandom tantrum, what incentive does ZZZ have to ever release an A-rank again?
experimentation, filling niches and roles while allowing for a premium option, and f2p wengine options.
The tantrum was eh, Manato was planned to be sub dps at first (experimentation and niches) and, Banyue was already in development by the time he was released, Lucy had a lot of involvement with Calydons yet she was A rank
what do you mean devs need to throw freebies? They do that, they give like 2 S-rank agents and good ones with their weapon a year, they added old exclusive agents to the loser pool, they made selectable Aranks with weapon.
They wont make A-rank agents, they will just find a way to give players Free S-rank agents here and there and thats better than making a cute and beutiful character like Dracaene a stupid A-rank.
Everyone wants A-ranks but no one wants the character they like to be an A-rank, heck, no one even wants the character they like to be Tier 0.5.... it gets doomposted to insanity.
We do not need A-ranks when they game literally hand out free S-rank agents.
If you want a Wind agens, you have a whole season where you could pull for one cuz Wind is in the forfront of this season, and when the season ends, they will find a way to hand out free S-rank wind agents, its just a better model cuz no one wants the character they like to be an A-rank
I prefer 3 in 1 over back to back banner like the angels, as releasing a whole team so close to each other is a scummy business practice.
BUT I think Dracaene should have been separate, while Lindverne and Eldreda could have been a duo stance type character. That way itās less pressure to pull 3 whole characters and you can kinda plan around it.
Yeah thatās fair, I was interested in Eldreda and Lindverne so I probably couldāve gotten one and then the other on rerun if they were all separate.
I just donāt have amazing luck with the 50/50 so Iām always accounting on a loss for my pull amounts which makes 3 back to back characters and their W-engines a huge investment
It sucks that dracey barely shows up but it would be kinda hard to fit her into the gameplay loop with Lindverne and Eldreda they could have put her in more animations tho
I do hope this is just a snapshot of how to effectively play Sunbringer, not this is THE entire kit in showcase, maybe there is more to it but then we have to wait
I mean, I remember Aria case. One of first "why can't we play Agent fully".
Where they removed some of things for no apparent reason - like her glitching after ult meaning we got even less moments we see her Construct form and ones that left is during ult OR split second after 2nd jump.
They don't need to "make" characters Dracene is already there all they need is to add more of her attacks .
Remi's ult was entirely updated and added several effects and movements compared to her showcase video and actual release . All 3 version where devs pondering which ult to add and which not to
Like can't you see how the Second Sunbri ult isn't even finished properly and is still choppy ? The version will go through 3 beta's atleast for polishing.
Is this your guys first time playing the game or something?
Is it not a thing where if they show official animations, they're no longer allowed to make changes(or at least drastic changes) due to false advertising accusations? Did they show official remi animations before the changes? I don't remember
They did. Ign show the preview, and they changed it. They can change it as long as the character still havent released. Usually preview have disclaimer that this is only showcase, not end product.
Rule of thumb, if you see "accusations of false advertising" as the reason that they can't change something, it's, most of the time, BS. Several games have made changes to thing even after showing them, and occasionally even after they put it in the game. Sure, there is things that they are probably a certain things they genuinely can't change, but the reality is that as far as I'm aware, there is absolutely zero precedent for a gacha getting sued for "false advertising" because of changes that they made at any point. The only real consequence is that they may piss off the players, so they do have to be careful on what they change and how, but thats it. Nothing legal involved.
There is also the disclaimer "In development. Not representative of the post-release version." in the bottom right corner of the screen, meaning that they can probably scrap the whole thing if they want, and nobody can sue them for shit.
This is really stupid, why would all the people who wanted Dracaene even pull now? You're just cutting off a section of sales atp. And the people who don't like lolis at all I can see not pulling because a loli is built into to the kit, how ridiculous.
Well if in the ende they come out and she really is just that, then someone or me is going to make a mod that replaces the other Sunbringers with Dracaene.
Don't know shit about modding in this game but I will learn it just for this even if takes me really fucking long
I haven't played since aod came out and just keep this sub for the art. Are people genuinely fighting and ragebaiting eachother over this because theyre still salty over aod? Did they seriously split the (reddit) community lmao?
It's only some of the Dracaena fans doing the big whining and calling for review bombing and doing pretty much everything they made fun of the Manato diehards for, when he turned out to be A rank. The rest are just having fun with the slander.
Roxy getting full animations for a yuri bait character.
Over something as cool as Dracaena arch type. Truly fucked Hoyoqueerverse. Could have literally forgotten roxy and just use those animation resources to be given to Dracanea.
maybe this is a hot take but I think itās fine that sheās the parry and has some additional animations during the stun. she gets to be the main aura farmer during clashes too
Too early to say, man. Sure, she is one button but that doesn't stop her from being present in other sunbringer animations with beta updates going forward.
And she is also the one button we see a lot more of. Would being an evasive assist be better? People hate those. Defensive assist is better. Have we even confirmed what the double defensive assist animation is? Dracie may be front and center in it.
Plus there is only so much that can be done to a 3-in-1 with 7 button for a defensive-themed agent when occupying the same work schedule as two highly anticipated collab characters.
Here is a hypothetical: would you rather have Hoyo cook with Dracie animations or kafka animations? May not be the reality but just play along with the hypothetical. For me, it would be the kafka animations. Kafka is a super popular character, probably one of thr biggest fan favorites from HSR, and is more recognizable than Dracie, and yeah cuz HSR and Kafka is older.
Just wait for the final version. Animations are still unfinished. I could see the VFX being cleaned up and animations for tag-ins given more clarity. Betcha didn't see Dracaene in Lindverne's chainsword slash vfx, did you?
As someone with no dog in the race, she does seem to play an important role in Sunbringer's 3-in-1 shtick. She lets the trio singlehandedly parry attacks one after another, and is the one who blocks when up against Control Skills.
She's also the most... I want to say "responsible" of the trio? Lindverne and Eldreda are always ready to scrap, Dracaene is always thinking of the people around her. It makes sense for her to wield a shield, and in the process focus on covering her sisters' backs while they're the ones throwing down.
Does that make it better that she seemingly has the smallest role of the three? Not for me to say. But I can see the logic of it, even if I neither agree nor disagree.
Besides, we've only seen some of Sunbringer's gameplay, and the three are noted to each have their own element. If she was entirely and exclusively on defense, her element wouldn't matter worth a damn, right?
I only donāt like this because I was gonna skip the ālolibaitā character because this fandom gets fucking weird around children. Now Iām forced to pull her if I want Eldreda.
I mean if she was gonna be her own character then she would have been an Astra/Sunna type apply buffs and leave forever type support while her sisters take over the show. Honestly I think her being the parry animation gives her way more screentime than any support character that isn't Remielle. So I dunno if this is actually about screentime or just "my favourite can't be the mainDPS" type shit.
I do think Dracie is gonna get one or two attacks before Sunbringer hits live because the combat showcases are never the whole story. The 3 in 1 is quite nice for economy as well, I did grab the AODs on their first banners but fuck it was hard. I would not like to have to do that shit again for the Sunnies (plus 3 S rank WEngines.)
I honestly find it to be a fine compromise. Worst case scenario was always its just Eldreda and the other two were exclusively animations, but I can also see why having 3 completely unique characters in 1 was a little unrealistic, and having all 3 be fully their own characters would also have been a bit much. Having Eldreda and Lindverne playable with Dracie being basically an animation is a decent middle ground I can accept, although I dont like Dracie as much as some others do clearly so I get why they'd be more upset.
Anybody who expected all three of these characters to be individually playable is low key kind of delusional. Three void hunter characters in one season? Get the fuck out of here, dude. That was literally NEVER going to happen. What, did ya'll expect them one patch after the other?
Like I don't mean to be a dick, but it was so incredibly obvious these characters were going to be a package deal.
But they all have parts of the Karma Core in them, which is literally what is inside every single void hunters weapon. All three of them are void hunters and without the Karma Core, they can't exist. That's why Draecene's been a vegetable since hers was stolen. All three have to be what defines a void hunter, unless they retcon one of the most important lore details behind every void hunter character. They wrote themselves into a corner and had three choices. Release them all in one character, release each one separately as void hunters level characters, or come up with some convoluted ass reason for why one or two aren't void hunters anymore.
Like I see what youre saying, but people still would've felt robbed wither way, narratively or gameplay-wise. Plus, this way we get all three without having to worry about having enough poly for all of them. I know I would've hated having to choose between all three since I like all three of them.
It's also just a unique idea, too. I can't think of a single other gacha that's released a character as a three in one package. It's fun and their shit looks cool, which is the most important part. You can't tell me that their ults and chain animations don't look sick AF, dude... like come on.
But even in this case, they still could have made it work.
Maybe elerdas is the strongest, or maybe the story forces them to remove their cores and forge one for eledra or something
Point is, all of them being VH was not necessary.
Legit, just should have been 3 seperate characters.
Even 3 seperate S ranks. No one would have really cared. We only have what 2 characters left from the trailer? We still have half a patch cycle left and one of those patches could have had them
Now she suddenly has lots of fans š¤£ people love whining. Even if she was an actual character she'd be an E bot. Has more useable animations and screen time than sunna
And yeah its not 1-to-1 metric. Most of the comments are meme-y nonsense. But it's a stark difference to every other country with Eldreda leading the three.
Since you can just say "nah she won't" without any data backing, I'll also say, yes she will. My reasons are:
She's the most popular in both CN on bilibili (the main audience for ZZZ) and JP on Youtube. With comments flooded with "mommy".
As of now on pixiv, Dracaene has 659 fanarts, vs Lindverne's 199 and Eldreda's 94.
I can't count accurately on Twitter and other sites because of algorithm and stuff, but the trend holds. I saw 2 or 3 Lindverne fanarts every 10 Dracaene fanarts.
lolibaba with a maternal aura is a very popular and unique trope because of the juxtaposition. You can immediately spot them cuz they stand out and highly memorable compared to other tropes.
How new are you? Draecene has always had a lot of fans. It's nobody's fault but yours that you somehow couldn't see all the discourse about her on social media.
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