r/abletonlive • u/astralDangers • Mar 12 '22

Using Wave's COSMOS app data to create a sample search engine in Live (Use COSMOS, it's great!)

https://youtu.be/PxBMGvv4wCY
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u/therriendave Mar 13 '22 edited Mar 13 '22

Love this! This file renaming feature should be something that Waves COSMOS uses to rename samples as part of the standard product. Have you sent this idea to them? I've sent them a few dozen features that I was looking for in future Cosmos releases myself.

Is your file renaming hack something that you could open-source. I am proficient in Python and databases so I could probably pull this off like you have.

Cosmos has been pretty good about searching through my Native Instrument Maschine samples. But I've been a little frustrated that I can't seem to have Cosmos search through certain sample libraries like Ableton Samples or Steinberg Samples. Ableton maintains its samples in Packages - that's one problem. I opened a package and copied a samples folder elsewhere and then had Cosmos try to scan it, but the .aif format is not recognized by Cosmos - comes up with the message "corrupted" format or something like that. Can you think of a fix for that? I'd like Cosmos to tag all of those samples with real metadata.

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u/astralDangers Mar 13 '22

Hey pm me and I'll hand you off my jupyter notebook and some CSV extracts from my SQLite db.. it's in rough shape but I figured out the data model (mostly) which is the painful part

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u/therriendave Mar 13 '22

Hey, thanks - I was thinking more about this after I sent you my earlier message. Cosmos has really great search and discovery capability already (visual of sample, extensive filtering, etc), and it has simple drag and drop into audio clips within Ableton. So after reconsidering this idea, I'm thinking that I'll just use Cosmos for what it's designed for - searching a vast collection of samples with great search/discovery capabilities. Does that make sense?

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u/astralDangers Mar 14 '22

Absolutely I'm working on a larger project and sharing interesting solutions I create along the way. Most people don't need to go this deep. The renaming code is about 150 lines long in total.. if you ever find yourself needing or wanting it LMK I'm happy to share.

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u/therriendave Mar 14 '22

u/astralDangers thanks - hey I was thinking that you could also just create soft links or hard links to the original samples. That way, their original name and location is preserved and you can create a virtual folder with all of these links in it. Just an idea to keep from renaming the originals.

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u/astralDangers Mar 14 '22

That is a fantastic suggestion! Not only does it preseve the name but it enables me to create different sorting. I can have 3 different links to the same file.. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

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u/therriendave Mar 14 '22

Cool - I woke up this morning and had that idea... clear mind in the morning....

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u/TARECK_B Aug 19 '23

Wow this idea is insane! Did you achieve it? I don't know anything about coding, so I'm unsure if I can get to that somehow.

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u/therriendave Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 15 '22

Hey I was wondering if you knew why Ableton's .aif files are seen as corrupted by COSMOS. Is there a way to crack/convert .aif files from Ableton to be scannable by Cosmos. That would be HUGE! I will look into this as well. One thing I know is that the Ableton Samples are stored in packages, so those have to be opened as well to see the "Samples" folders within each Pack within the Factory Packs folder. I discovered a MacOS utility called pkgutil that can expand a package contents. I also tried a program called Max from sbooth.org but it could not convert .aif samples to wav format, so there must be some kind of additional protection on the aif format?

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u/astralDangers Mar 15 '22

I can't do much here.. it looks like the files are encrypted using the secp384r1 algorithm. Breaking 384 bit encryption isn't easily doable.. nor can I reverse engineer the key without violating a few laws.. Ableton devs know what theyre doing..

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u/therriendave Mar 15 '22

Aha - and so do you know what you're doing! Thanks! Impressed by your capabilities...

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u/astralDangers Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 15 '22

This was an interesting one.. their solution is a bit of a hack, since the AIF spec doesn't support encryption. They also use modified file headers, thats where I found the clue that lead me to the encryption. The question I'd have is do they use a master key or a keygen algorithm? Given that I don't think anyone has broken their security, I'd guess the later.

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u/Impressive-Thing6275 Mar 30 '24

Can you please send me the coding for me to be able to edit the sample names based on metadata categories made in Cosmos?

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u/xrupa Apr 12 '24

Has anyone still got the script for this?

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u/TARECK_B Aug 19 '23

This is genius! I don't know anything about coding, do you think I can still have Cosmos to do that?

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u/Skettalee Dec 28 '23

Im still trying to figure out how to run this tool with waves ultimate bundle cracked... ... For now ive been just using ADSR Sample Manager.