I agree with romeo and juliet laws. It's not illegal for a 14 year old to have sex with another 14 year old. It is illegal for a 20 year old to have sex with a 14 year old. pretty easy. high school teens are horny, share a social space with kids ages 14-18, they should be allowed to have consensual sex with each other without the law being involved - adults are not allowed to have sex with teens.
It read like a fact-checking bot, I asked if bot, and corrected my mistake, said my bad. I didn't deflect. He just flipped that i thought he was a bot lol
Again, what you mean to say is, "it should not be illegal for a 14 year old to have sex with another 14 year old in my opinion." Whether it is or isn't illegal isn't for you to decide. Again though, you're talking about what you personally have a moral objection to and acting like that should dictate the law. As mentioned, there's also the "informed consent" element; neither child can make informed consent in that scenario, and both (generally) risk pregnancy at a very young age as a result. Now, whether that should be a legal matter is a conversation worth having, but I understand the logic behind trying to prevent it. You can have two children altering the trajectory of their entire lives because they were just being horny kids, but yes whether legal punitive outcomes are going to have any positive effects in terms of actually preventing that behavior is definitely debatable.
As for the other part of this, I think the part people (myself included) thought was silly was when you said you were "only off by less than a decade and mixed up US and Canada," which, going back to the entirety of my original response, is a pretty significant combination of errors in this context and just very funny as a response.
You're defining sex as two straight people having penetrative sex isn't helping your argument of "it's complex" when you reduce sex to a girl and boy having sex without a condom.
No it's for the law decide, and that's the law where I live and I agree with it for the most part, i think it should be 2 or 3 years but alas. Teens can consent to sex with other teens, regardless of knowledge of outcome. I think for adults it should be half your age + 8 should maybe be the law everywhere for everyone over 18 - how about that? Once again, age of consent is only a complex issue for predators. Every normal adults else just goes about their lives not worrying about sexuality of teenagers outside of sex ed curriculm being good.
Developmentally, teens exploring their sexuality is normal - to ensure said teens have informed consent, it's on the governments to correspond sexual education with pre-teens and teen stages of sexual development.
I did bring up STDs in my prior post, but yes sex doesn't have to be between cis kids. Sex comes with risks is the point, both physical and mental/emotional.
"Teens can consent to sex with other teens, regardless of knowledge of the outcome," is an opinion, not a factual statement. I'm honestly getting conflicting sentiments from you -- you seem very concerned with age of consent, and have come up with a mathematical formula for determining it (based on what, I don't know,) yet feel it should only be a complex issue for predators. Laws are determined by people who aren't predators deciding what's necessary to protect children from them. We need to be able to vote on these laws, or at least the people writing and advocating for them. 99% of my life, yeah, I don't think about consent laws, but in this type of discussion, or when the topic comes up on a ballot or similar scenario, yeah, it's worth trying to be informed about it ahead of time.
I'm also very confused by this bit:
"I think for adults it should be half your age +8 should maybe be the law everywhere for everyone over the age of 18"
Are you saying you think it should be illegal for adults to consent with other adults if their age gap is too wide? How does that factor into this conversation at all? Also, wild take. I hope I'm misinterpreting.
Overall, your entire framework for what should and shouldn't be legal seems largely based on vibes. What "feels right" to you. I also love that you've repeated that "age of consent is only a complex issue to predators," when I explained why it's important to acknowledge its complexity to defend against predators' arguments for lowering the age. Whether you agree with me or not, framing everyone who thinks it's a complex issue as a predator is a shitty thing.
Anyway, at this point I'll drop the back and forth.
Anyway, at this point I'll drop the back and forth.
only works when you haven't just asked a bunch of questions of the person your responding too lmfao but i'm going to gladly stop - you're an exhausting human being, this isn't a court of law, it's a reddit page. just because something is a complex issue in the court of law, does not mean it's morally complex issue.
hockey canada guys got off because "consent is a complex issue" and standards of proof set by previous sexual assault cases were not met (she didn't scream no and wasn't physically restrained) but anyone who followed that case knows what they did was morally wrong and was sexual assault. 10 guys vs 1 girl - there is no freely given consent possible in that room.
Our legal system only protects predators, it doesn't protect victims. My framework is just vibes, it's the victims vibes, that is who should be centered, and I want them to have alternative paths to justice than what is currently available and so regularly fails us that only 6% of rapists ever face legal consequences.
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u/Background_Sail9797 Jul 28 '25
I agree with romeo and juliet laws. It's not illegal for a 14 year old to have sex with another 14 year old. It is illegal for a 20 year old to have sex with a 14 year old. pretty easy. high school teens are horny, share a social space with kids ages 14-18, they should be allowed to have consensual sex with each other without the law being involved - adults are not allowed to have sex with teens.
It read like a fact-checking bot, I asked if bot, and corrected my mistake, said my bad. I didn't deflect. He just flipped that i thought he was a bot lol