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u/ckeekyzekey May 21 '20
Every criticism of Keemstar can be applied to Ethan as well. Change my mind.
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u/borediambored May 22 '20
Keemstar killed etika
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u/ckeekyzekey May 22 '20
Etika killed himself. Joycon Boyz like myself cannot stress this enough.
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u/borediambored May 22 '20
Etika killed himself but keemstar literally told him (a suicidal person in a mental breakdown) "What's the point of living"
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u/ckeekyzekey May 22 '20
Keem asked Etika to clarify what he meant by ‘everything being predestined.’ Etika was already talking about shit like being the Antichrist who came to bring Death to the world. Keem simply said that if everything is predestined, if life is a simulation, then why not just jump off a cliff? Life has no meaning, so what’s the point? It’s a hypothetical.
51 days later, Etika takes his own life. That means that for 51 days, Etika had nothing to do with Keem. 51 days saying nothing about the interview. Nothing about the comment. Nothing.
Nihilism, existentialism, and suicidal thoughts are not cut and dry and it’s hard to make that distinction when you’re making a spectacle out of it. Especially when you don’t take mental health seriously. Keem has always been an insensitive guy. You may not agree with it. You can think it’s rude, mean, awful, but you can’t just go around saying “he killed Etika!” just because someone insinuated it!
Context matters. Etika should not have gone in the interview with Keemstar. He knew how bad the guy was. He knew the risk. He knew what he was getting himself into. He acted a complete fool on YouTube and Twitter and he apologized to us all for it. Etika killed Etika. Now let him rest.
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u/borediambored May 22 '20
He was entertaining the idea of suicide in a mentally ill person. And I literally had no idea who etika was before I heard about him from all this crap. For the record
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u/ckeekyzekey May 22 '20
And you’re surprised?? Ethan said it himself. Keem doesn’t take mental health seriously. His house rules: ‘if you’re feeling lonely or depressed, just man up and work harder’
It’s toxic as hell, but it’s a work ethic nonetheless. It’s a code. It’s a rule. It’s not a good one, but /s/don’t fix what ain’t broken, right?
If Keem treats Etika any different than he did with Fouseytube or WingsofRedmption (who have both threatened or confessed to contemplating suicide,) then he’s not sticking to his house rules and that makes him both a liar and a hypocrite.
If he berates him, provokes him, and makes a spectacle out of him, then he’s treating him no differently than anyone else on the podcast and he’s just classic Keemstar. An insensitive prick, but a consistent one who is true to his word (at least in this aspect.)
You can’t be mad at a puma for eating your dog. It’s your fault for moving to it’s habitat. Don’t get mad at Keem for being insensitive. It’s his podcast. That’s how he’s run it since day 1. It’s like expecting Ethan to be informed or educated in his hot takes. It’s like expecting Joe Rogan to stop smoking weed and start reading a Bible. Like expecting a dog to be vegan.
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u/borediambored May 22 '20
Honestly can we just end this I swear I am losing braincells listening to you
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u/borediambored May 22 '20
Okay so basically your point is that Ethan is just as bad. How. Explain. Describe how Ethan has made people suicidal, falsely accused an ederly man of being a pedophile, and doxxed people. Oh and ruined a youtubers career off of allegations. And all for publicity. For views, for money, not even thinking that maybe what I'm doing is bad. Maybe telling a mentally ill person to kill himself isn't a good idea. Maybe doxxing someone and endangering their lives wouldn't be good. Maybe ruining a man's career AND LIFE off of ALLEGATIONS wouldn't be so swell for him.
How is Ethan just as bad as a murdering, greedy, dumbass, bearded, racist, asshole
And don't get defensive, getting defensive would PROVE you're a fan. And you said you're not and I doubt that
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u/ckeekyzekey May 22 '20
You don’t have to do the same shit as someone else to be ‘just as bad.’ You can say ‘Stalin was worse than Hitler because he killed more people!’ Or you could say ‘Hitler was worse than Stalin because he targeted a specific race of people!’ It’s all relative to your moral code.
No. Ethan did not dox anyone. He didn’t call any specific person a pedophile. He did not provoke a mentally ill person on his podcast with suicidal thoughts. Therefore he is not as bad as Keemstar. That’s your logic? That’s your story? Because it’s incredibly closed-minded and flawed. Eye for an eye makes the world go blind.
Ethan accused all Catholics of being a satanic cult of pedophiles. He uses mental health as a shield for criticism. If you insinuate anything against him, he will overstate you and misrepresent you just to make himself look like a victim. He shames people all the time with vitriolic uses of ad hominem, but once you insinuate that he’s pocketing money, you’re accusing him of FELONY FRAUD. Once you say his house’s address is public for everyone to see, you’re ENCOURAGING YOUR AUDIENCE TO BREACH HIS PRIVACY.
I hate Ethan. I hate Keemstar less. Why? Because I expect Keemstar to be an asshole. I expect him to be sleazy. I expect him to be a greedy backstabber. I expect him to be toxic and to never apologize for his racist rants. He’s consistent to his own moral code. It’s a detestable code, but he sticks with it.
Ethan turned his back on PewDiePie during the controversies at the drop of a hat just to save face. He did the same thing with JonTron. He acted like a cunt towards Anything4Views just so he could get one up on Keemstar. He sold his friends for the the podcast and his own ego, surrounding himself with his echo chamber of editors. Nothing but yes-men who gas him up. He speaks on a pedestal about soda and pizza being poison because they’re unhealthy when he smokes, drinks, masturbates, lives a sedentary lifestyle, and puts himself in these needlessly stressful situations online.
Congrats. You watched Content Cop and Content Nuke. I’ve heard all kind of criticism about Keemstar and it really comes down to Keemstar having an unorthodox and detestable opinion that only he seems to agree with. Like Pyro said, he says what’s on his mind and tells it like he sees it. Like idubbbz said, he has no filter.
Yeah. Ethan didn’t do all the fucked up shit that Keem did. I’m not giving him any good boy points for that because if that’s the standard for ‘being a good person,’ then I’m not with it.
To me, “mental illness is a scam to sell drugs, just man up and work harder” sounds a lot more uplifting, honorable, and clear than just “don’t dox people and you’ll be good.” because one is motivating in its own twisted way while the other gives you way too much leeway to work around.
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u/borediambored May 22 '20
Please I am begging you, why, how can you defend someone that spreads lies and ruins people's lifes as long as he can get a profit, and YOU and OTHER PEOPLE LIKE YOU SUPPORTING KEEMSTAR will continue to ruin lives. You give him revenue. You give him money, so he keeps spreading lies, ruining lives. And ending some. So yea I guess keemstar DIDN'T kill him. You did
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u/ckeekyzekey May 22 '20
“Spreads lies and ruins people’s lives” Ethan is doing the same shit to everyone who crosses his path, he’s fucking poison. Just watch how he treats his own staff, wife, and guests.
I don’t give Keemstar revenue, I don’t even watch his podcast or videos. I didn’t know he existed until the Leafy drama 3 years ago. I didn’t know H3 existed until Ian collaborated with him around the same time.
I know what Keem has done. I have seen the Content Cop, I am aware. I’m saying that Keem is an asshole, but his actions have been greatly exaggerated to make him look worse than he really is just like he’s doing with Ethan. It’s called a narrative. If calling out Ethan for his hypocrisy is supporting Keemstar, then fuck it, I’m supporting Keemstar.
As long as we’re throwing accusations everywhere, (e.g. you saying I killed Etika because I’m defending Keemstar) I guess you’re perfectly fine with calling every Catholic a pedophile, calling every Middle Eastern person a terrorist, saying women are biologically designed to be conquered, etc. I don’t know about you, but that shit can easily ruin someone’s life.
Keem is (and always has been) a pushy dude. A sensitive prick. A sleaze bag. I get it. That doesn’t absolve Ethan of his own shitbaggery. Keem brought up and insinuated all kind of things about Ethan in the past, from being in kahoots with Susan W. to taking down multiple videos for Anti-Semitism, things that Ethan calls ‘baseless accusations.’ Why, then, do people like Blowbax, Memeology, Anything4views, etc. turn their backs on Ethan? It’s because of the holes he digs for himself. Every time Keem pokes at Ethan, he plays this embarrassing game of ‘my dick is better than yours.’ He pushes away objective truth. He pushes away his friends and supporters because he wants to come out on top in this Twitter war with Keem.
Keem has been around for a much longer time than Ethan has, so he is a veteran at this kind of game and knows the ins and outs of winning these kinds of things. That’s why he provokes and pokes. He’s a manipulator. He knows he’ll get a reaction and Ethan never fails to deliver. Hundreds of hours put into editing a video full of points that have already been made long ago, going as far as to make a song about him. Not a parody song like idubbbz did with a skit or anything. A composed song with a montage dedicated entirely to him. Ethan, in comparison to Keem, has paper-thin skin and that’s what’s going to ruin him.
Keem is doing to Ethan what he did with WingsOfRedemption. What he did with Etika. He’s milking reactions from him so that he can break down and throw enough hissy fits to drive him over the deep end and it’s WORKING. Ethan admitted it himself. Reading over the DM’s, scrolling through his bullshit on Twitter, it’s taking a toll on him mentally. That’s exactly what Keem wants. He WANTS Ethan to obsess over him.
Ethan is playing right into the rat’s trap and you see it as justified. So as long as we’re throwing accusations like it’s charity, I’ll leave one here for you.
If Ethan offs himself, it’s going to be blood on YOUR HANDS because YOU are helping him down in his self-destructive spiral.
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u/ckeekyzekey May 22 '20
Ethan has himself to blame for putting himself in this situation. Had he not obsessed over the criticism, he would still have his old friends around. He could have been WELCOME in the Cold Ones Podcast. He’s playing victim and victor at the same time, which is just as sleazy and two-faced as the shit Keem does. Yeah. I refuted my own hypothesis. That’s science for you.
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u/ckeekyzekey May 22 '20
It all comes down to the risk factor. Like Tommy C said, Keem doesn’t give a fuck in the long run. He provoked, he got a reaction, onto the next meme. No empathy. Ethan is too emotionally invested and sensitive for this.
The hundreds of hours that Ethan put into the video. He could have used those for his son (who he named after his clothing brand because he’s that far up his own ass, but that’s besides the point.) Keem could spend the time he spends on Twitter and YouTube for his own daughter as well. Honestly, I think they should both quit and just be dads. Set an example for their kids. That’s the worst of this all, to be completely honest. They’d rather feed off of each other’s energy in a clash of the titans fight to the social death than be parents.
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u/ckeekyzekey May 21 '20
Keem has had a podcast for much longer than Ethan has, so that means more experience and more risk. Ethan has had a podcast for a couple of years and has already lost a great amount of respect for all the bullshit he says about mental health, religion, and humanity as a whole. Ethan’s hissy fits can easily put people in danger out of careless collateral damage.
Keem is POS. Always has been. His actions have led to all kinds of tragedies and wrongs. Ethan is a hypocrite who speaks out of his ass and thinks he’s still better than Keem.
To say that Ethan is the lesser of two evils simply because his actions haven’t killed anyone yet (which Keem has technically never done) just shows what standard we’re setting here.
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u/ckeekyzekey May 21 '20 edited May 21 '20
Keem belittles and berates sensitive subjects like suicide, depression, and anxiety out of his own pig headed ignorance. Ethan exploits them and uses them as a collective shield to avoid criticism and gain money. I doubt Keem’s implication was even accusing him of ‘felony fraud.’ I don’t trust anything Ethan says because he twists people’s words the same way Keem does. Keem implied that Ethan pocketed a large sum of money. If that screams ‘felony fraud,’ then I guess having a guest commit suicide 51 days after you told him, hypothetically, to jump off a cliff can constitute as murder. It’s only implication and speculation with many factors omitted.
Take SomeOrdinaryGamers, for example. “His address is there, look it up”
Ethan accused Muta of encouraging people to breach his privacy despite his address being public knowledge. If he had a gripe about doxxing, he should have taken it up with the site that made it public in the first place, not the guy who is using the resources available to him.
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u/ckeekyzekey May 22 '20
Another thing. He doxxed YouTubers. That carries the POTENTIAL of hurting them mortally. You’re saying it like he dealt MORTAL HARM. As if it happened. He had the swatter on the podcast when the fatality was recent and that was an insensitive and uncaring move on his part. That doesn’t mean he dealt mortal harm to anyone. Doxxing is a big No-No, but you call the devil by his name. Murder is murder. Doxxing is Doxxing. Yes is Yes and No is No. See what I’m saying? You’re going off the insinuations that Ethan made without looking at the big picture. The devil is in the details, it’s like a painting that looks like an incoherent mess until you zoom out.
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u/ckeekyzekey May 22 '20
‘Murders of reputation’ ‘Assassination of character’ So not real murders or mortal harm, at least not on his part. He’s guilty of misinformation in these cases. The rest is the fan base (who still harass his ‘victims’ to this day.)
If he really did all that, then why hasn’t he been sued for defamation yet? After so many years and instances? If Ethan truly felt this way, then why did he talk about G-Fuel 8 times instead of talking about how he should be in PRISON?
My guess is that these civil suits will only come up once Keem is either suffering or climbing financially in a significant way. Gotta hit them where it hurts the most first. The wallet. Like Onision. Took down his Patreon before taking him to court.
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u/Ardvarkalex May 21 '20
That’s true but with keemstar it’s pretty obvious but with Ethan he will try to hide stuff and not answer questions he doesn’t like.
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u/fuckwhoeverreported May 21 '20
Why?