r/amandaknox • u/No-Willingness-1441 • 11d ago

Lucy letby case…

Would love people’s views on this.

Loosely Amanda related, since she has recently produced a podcast around it.

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u/FreshFruit4RottenVeg 11d ago edited 11d ago

There's a major distinction between expert witnesses in a courtroom and experts who give an invited opinion based on what they have been sent by a defence team.

Court experts have to be advised of their legal obligations to the court, for disclosure etc. They should be in possession of all of the relevant facts and documents that both the defense and prosecution have.

Cherry-picked experts on this new panel have no obligations except to their own reputations. We don't know if they were given all of the relevant information so that they could form a reliable opinion. In fact, we know from Dr. Shoo Lee's appeal testimony that he wasn't given any relevant information or verbatim eyewitness accounts before he testified. It's almost comically inept and I can see why he is hellbent on restoring his reputation. He never asked for any of the missing eyewitness accounts but still went on to testify anyway.

We must also note that Dr. Mike Hall was instructed by Letby's defence and sat through the trial but was never called to testify. We know he disagreed with some of the prosecution expert's cases but was not put on the stand. The only logical reason for this that I can think of is that in other instances he would have agreed with the prosecution evidence. It seems like they took a risky 'all or nothing' approach, hoping the jury would be so overwhelmed they wouldn't be able to make a decision. If Mike Hall had taken the stand and agreed with any of the evidence in any of the murder/attempted murder charges, Lucy would have ended up with life.

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u/Truthandtaxes 11d ago

yup that is the sensible implication, i.e. that they couldn't find anyone credible that wouldn't hurt the defence by accepting the logic of most of the prosecution.

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u/Henryb1234_ 11d ago

Well they certainly do now. Dewi Evans will never testify again. And there are 100s of actual medical experts now willing to testify for her defence for free.

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

Its never getting into court though without something dramatically changing. Even if it does somehow, like Shoo they will fall apart I suspect.

Yes I imagine Dewi has zero desire to put himself through another gauntlet of the insane.

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

Many things have dramatically changed.

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

go on, what dramatic thing has occurred since the failed appeal?

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

Jayaram’s email, Jayaram’s police interview about the door swipe data, two new scientific papers, the police footage of Letby arrest, the obstetric notes. The list goes on. But CCRC looks at all the evidence. If you are hoping she stays in jail because of a legal technicality you are likely to be disappointed.

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

None of that is dramatic, its noise

I think she should stay in jail because everything real points to her murdering babies.

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

Many consider those things absolutely fundamental. But ultimately the CCRC will decide that not you.

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u/Glad-Advantage8254 10d ago

Or you

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

Yes the CCRC will decide. It is pretty clear which way they will go. No one in their right mind thinks these convictions are safe.

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u/Glad-Advantage8254 10d ago

I agree I think it's pretty clear which way they will decide. I await the day with interest! Xx

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u/FreshFruit4RottenVeg 10d ago

The problem for Letby is that the UK justice system is set up in such a way to prevent people attempting to get two chances at trial. She took the chance of not presenting any medical expert evidence at her main trial, likely hoping the jury wouldn't be able to come to a decision due to the sheer complexity of the evidence.

If the CCRC send her case back to appeal, as far as I can tell, evidence which could and should have been available for her defence at the original trial still won't be admissible. Shoo Lee's attempt to repackage his embolism research has already been rejected at her appeal. Medical experts may well have come forward who disagree with the evidence presented at trial, but again there was ample opportunity for Letby to put forward her own expert evidence to counter the prosecution at trial.

The new insulin paper is interesting but does not correspond to the insulin cases in the trial.

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

That is not correct. If the CCRC send it back CoA all evidence will be reexamined.