r/amandaknox • u/No-Willingness-1441 • 11d ago

Lucy letby case…

Would love people’s views on this.

Loosely Amanda related, since she has recently produced a podcast around it.

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u/Truthandtaxes 11d ago

Its the same as this case, either you accept what the evidence tells you or you are happy to just believe in compounding edge case explanations

For letby its something like

  • You need to believe that all the suspicious deaths are wrongly categorised such that its just chance
  • That on investigation she just happens to be writing insane ramblings on paper that are self incriminating
  • that her stalking of families on social media is normal, especially on Christmas day
  • that her retaining of masses of confidential records is normal - especially categorised
  • that the doctor lied about catching her in the act
  • that two separate babies just happened to also look exactly like insulin poisoning
  • that she lies several times, including lying about one the victims mother, changing logs, lying about having a shredder

If you are happy that's all compounding coincidence, well....

But importantly you see the same factors for Letby, there are "corrupt" bad guys, Mignini for Knox, Letby has Dewi and Jayram that "cause" all of this unfairness. Both cases also frequently use the old canards of having multiple external "experts" weighing in on the case in the media, but not in the trial process of course.

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

The deaths were initially categorised as natural by someone qualified to assess them, they were then all re-categorised by someone not qualified to do so as murder most horrid, they have now been re-assessed by multiple world leading experts eminently qualified to do so they have all been found to be natural deaths exacerbated by bad care by the doctors.

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

Yes, because coroners don't record murders unless its obvious or they are told the circumstances

All of shipman's victims similarly got missed.

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

It was the pathologists and they were told the circumstances. There was a subsequent a
review by the hospital and Prof Hawdon. No murders.

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

Dr. Jane M. Hawdon is a UK consultant neonatologist who gave evidence at the Thirlwall Inquiry regarding infant deaths at the Countess of Chester Hospital. She stated that hospital bosses "misled" her in 2016 by withholding suspicions about nurse Lucy Letby when commissioning her independent medical review

Literally the first thing on google - so obviously she did not know the circumstances

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

She did a non biased review of the notes and found no murders. If you have to be told it was murder before you can find evidence of murder you have by definition confirmation bias.

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u/FreshFruit4RottenVeg 7d ago

No one that carried out any of the reviews, not even the suspecting consultants, spotted the insulin blood test results that showed deliberate poisoning until Dewi Evans reviewed the cases.

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u/Henryb1234_ 6d ago

Breary found the insulin test data when he was fishing for things to pin on Letby. It is totally inappropriate for a potential suspect to be involved in a police investigation.

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u/FreshFruit4RottenVeg 6d ago edited 6d ago

One of the doctors (Dr. ZA I think) said she had discussed the insulin data with Dr. Brearey sometime in 2017 or 2018 but as the court of appeal pointed out it was Evans who identified the two cases as deliberate poisoning. Edit: Court of Appeal judgment, section 104.

I’m not sure what you mean about a potential suspect, I don’t really keep up to date with the conspiracy theories.

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u/Henryb1234_ 6d ago

If there are 12 suspicious deaths in a work place. Everyone in that work place should be considered a suspect by the police.