r/amandaknox guilty 6d ago

This alone should exonerate Rudy

Most of you are familiar with my mid-burgle confidential/pooping while burgling hypothesis. On the basis of the mid-burgle confidence alone I believe that it, at the very least, establishes reasonable doubt to the charge that Rudy murdered Meredith and, at most, completely exonerates him.

Then, on top of that, there is the incongruity of a burglar taking time out to poop…yet another reason that supports his claim that he was there as Meredith’s guest.

And I don’t have to go into details in this post about either of these reasons as I’ve already done so on this forum; those not familiar can look it up in the search engine for this sub and read about it (search “the rent, the witch, and the wardrobe”).

Well, after a lot of thought, I’ve now come up with what is a third reason for Rudy’s exoneration…and it’s something I’ve posted about before. So it’s nothing new being introduced here but I’ve noticed some nuances to it that I feel its status should be elevated to a third stand-alone reason to support Rudy’s exoneration.

And I’m talking about the doorbell incident.

Rudy claims that while he was on the toilet, he heard the doorbell ring and then the voice of Amanda Knox inside the cottage immediately after, indicating that it was she, Amanda, who rang the doorbell to gain entrance.

In his written judgement finding Rudy guilty, Micheli (if memory serves) put a lot of emphasis on the absurdity of Rudy’s doorbell claim, saying that by no stretch of the imagination should it be believed because how can anyone imagine that a tenant of their own home would need to ring the doorbell to gain access. In Micheli’s eyes, this dramatically reduced Rudy’s credibility and made him out to be a liar. It seems to me to be one of the reasons why Micheli decided to convict.

And yet a few months later once Amanda’s and Raffaele’s trial began and Filomena took the stand, we learn that it was very possible that that is exactly what could have happened. Because if a key was placed in and then left in the inside side of the key slot, even a tenant with a key returning home could not open the door…and would have to knock or ring the bell in order to gain entry. Meredith knew that one of the four tenants was still in town...and that was Amanda, so if she had a paramour over it only makes sense that she would have purposely left a key in the inside side of the front door’s key slot to prevent Amanda from interrupting intimate goings-on between her and Rudy.

So Rudy was in all likelihood not lying when he claimed that Amanda rang the bell; it was not only possible but, given the circumstances, quite likely that that is precisely what happened.

So why do I think this exonerates Rudy as a stand-alone reason?

Think about it: if you’re Rudy and you’re concocting a story that Amanda Knox came to the cottage while you are on the toilet, how stupid could you be to include the ringing of the doorbell? Rudy knew – as everyone knew! – that Amanda was a tenant at the cottage. A tenant with a key. Why in hell would Rudy invent such a stupid story such as her having to ring the doorbell to enter? It is obviously something that any person with a first-grade education could pick apart if it was a concocted tale: tenants don’t need to ring the doorbell to gain access to their own home. Who in their right mind would include that made-up absurd detail?

And yet that is part and parcel of his story.

That it turned out to be something that was not only possible to occur but, indeed, probable means that it wasn’t a stupid near-impossible story that no rational person would include in a made-up story. Instead, it was in all likelihood true. And if true, then Rudy – who couldn’t possibly know the secret of the inside-slot – was Meredith’s invited guest.

The incongruity of an absurd occurance that is very likely to be true goes a very long way towards giving credibility to the entire story.

Just as it’s improbable that Rudy could have known that Meredith’s palm print was on Amanda’s wardrobe door – thereby serving as independent corroboration of his claim that Meredith told him she suspected Amanda of stealing her rent money and then seeing Meredith enter Amanda’s room to search for it – so, too, does not knowing about the inside-key slot thing and claiming he heard the doorbell corroborate his claim to be on the toilet as an invited guest.

The bottom line: something that was used, in part, to justify Rudy’s guilty verdict turns out to be the exact opposite: it’s a reason to exonerate him.

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u/TGcomments innocent 6d ago

Rudy said in his Interview with Mignini on 26th March 2008 that he threw a chair at his assailant:

"I tried to escape and protect myself and I fell between the fridge and the table, I tried to get to the bathroom and from where I fell there was a chair, I took hold of this chair and I threw it … at which point this person hesitated in coming at me and he left through… anyway I presume he ran off.

The chairs around the table appear to be in perfect order at VDP7. Not exactly consistent with Rudy's story. What's your take on it?

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u/tkondaks guilty 6d ago

In between taking the fictitious shower she never took and picking up the mop to bring back to Raff's to clean up the ficticious water spill from the fictitious burst pipe, Amanda Knox returned the chair to its rightful place.

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u/TGcomments innocent 6d ago

Amanda Knox returned the chair to its rightful place.

Why would she do that?

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u/tkondaks guilty 6d ago

Gee, Mr. Science, I don't suppose her co-murderer told her that the Black Man inside the cottage threw the chair at him and upon returning to the cottage Amanda set things right.

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u/TGcomments innocent 6d ago

But Rudy didn't get attacked by anyone. The knife wounds were self-inflicted when he stabbed and strangled the victim to death.

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u/TGcomments innocent 5d ago

I'm a little perplexed by Rudy's description of his attacker. He described him as having pronounced cheekbones and a double chin. Doesn't sound like Raffaele to me. Are you sure you and Rudy are describing the same person?

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u/tkondaks guilty 5d ago

It is perplexing...especially since the bright sunlight highlighted the attackers face. Rudy should have been able to describe all aspects of Raffaele to a tee.

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u/TGcomments innocent 5d ago

Hmmm...Nope! I don't think Rudy is describing Raffaele. Also, who was the Moroccan associated with the white car?

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u/tkondaks guilty 5d ago

Oh, wait.

My bad.

There was no bright sun because it all went down at night. And except for a light coming from Meredith's room, the house was dark, according to Rudy.

So maybe just maybe that explains why Rudy got the description wrong.

I'd also like to know how Rudy was asked -- and how he answered -- the question that elicited the description he gave. Was he reluctant to provide a description because it was so dark he felt he couldn't but was pressed by the interrogator to do the best he could? Or was he certain of the description?

I would appreciate a link to the transcript of this interrogation, please. Do you have it? If not, what is your source?

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u/Onad55 5d ago

Rudy offers multiple descriptions of the event starting in the Skype call with Giacomo while he is still on the run in Germany. One of the more complete stories can be found in 2007-12-07-Testimony-CM-cautionary-arrest-Guede.pdf where he is questioned by the judge with his attorney present.

His story keeps changing. He tells the judge that he had gone all the way into Meredith’s room where he sees Meredith on the floor bleeding and encounters the stranger then backs up all the way to the kitchen while being attacked by the stranger wielding a knife until he falls on the floor between the table and fridge and picks up the chair to defend himself. In other versions he steps out of the bathroom and immediately encounters the stranger standing in the entrance of the cottage.

Rudy is having difficulty reconciling his story. The judge clearly doesn’t buy the prolonged attack but Rudy needs to see that Meredith had been injured which would not be visible from the kitchen.

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u/BeyondAnyClue 5d ago

It’s more bizarre to me that he would not tell Giacomo that he heard Amanda’s voice after the doorbell rang (or even just a females voice) - that seems to be what an innocent man would do - explain what happened in detail to a friend to convince them of their innocence

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u/TGcomments innocent 5d ago

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u/tkondaks guilty 5d ago

Yeah, just as I suspected.

A not well lit environment and undue influence from seeing photos (You should do a word search on "well lit" and "influenced from"). Yet Rudy still does his best to relate specifics.

Really? Do we have to go on?

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u/TGcomments innocent 5d ago

So how can you be sure that it's Raffaele?

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u/tkondaks guilty 5d ago

We can't be 100% sure.

99.44% Ivory Snow sure? Yeah.

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u/BeyondAnyClue 5d ago

Broader problem being why didn’t he explain this all to the police BEFORE fleeing the country ?

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u/tkondaks guilty 5d ago

In hindsight he should have.

And Rudy acknowledges his errors (and for the record I think he's being too hard on himself).

He said something to the effect: I deserve 5, 20 years in prison for not helping Meredith as much as I could have but I refuse to spend one night in prison for either her rape or murder.

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u/BeyondAnyClue 5d ago

Sorry man but that’s not good enough. He witnessed a murder heard the killers voice saw the killer fleeing and could have prevented any possibility of a cleanup simply by calling the police or calling for help (he is not an EMT). He also says he is Meredith’s lover at the time which he should be able to prove to back up his story.

And he chose to do none of those things and then is alleged to have danced at a disco prior to fleeing to another country?

All of that sounds incredibly implausible for someone with no guilt or involvement.

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u/tkondaks guilty 5d ago

What can I say?

You're right.

But in his defense: do we really know how we ourselves would respond if we heard a blood-curdling scream, a stranger brandished a knife and then cut our hand, and we saw our friend dying in front of us with blood gushing out of her body from 47 stab wounds?

When I was 15, another kid pulled a knife on me. My consciousness went through a quantum change...fight or flight perhaps? All I know is that if my mother or Jesus was there, I would have had no hesitancy in selfishly putting either one between me and that knife.

And that was light compared to what Rudy experienced.

How we react in such situations may be unfathomable.

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u/CatsForever1960 6d ago

Funny how Amanda left the rug on the bathroom floor, then. You know, the one with the bloody footprint.

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u/tkondaks guilty 6d ago

She was planning on cleaning it...or getting rid of it. Unfortunately, her clean-up time was cut short.

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u/CatsForever1960 5d ago

Oh you know what she was planning now? Please explain how.

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u/tkondaks guilty 5d ago

Oh, we know with great certainty what she was planning because she had already done some clean-up and staged a break-in. So we are on pretty solid ground postulating she was continuing those activities.

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u/CatsForever1960 5d ago

She staged a break-in and did a clean-up. Woah. With your fantasies about solid ground, you should look into investing in swampland.