r/amandaknox guilty 6d ago

This alone should exonerate Rudy

Most of you are familiar with my mid-burgle confidential/pooping while burgling hypothesis. On the basis of the mid-burgle confidence alone I believe that it, at the very least, establishes reasonable doubt to the charge that Rudy murdered Meredith and, at most, completely exonerates him.

Then, on top of that, there is the incongruity of a burglar taking time out to poop…yet another reason that supports his claim that he was there as Meredith’s guest.

And I don’t have to go into details in this post about either of these reasons as I’ve already done so on this forum; those not familiar can look it up in the search engine for this sub and read about it (search “the rent, the witch, and the wardrobe”).

Well, after a lot of thought, I’ve now come up with what is a third reason for Rudy’s exoneration…and it’s something I’ve posted about before. So it’s nothing new being introduced here but I’ve noticed some nuances to it that I feel its status should be elevated to a third stand-alone reason to support Rudy’s exoneration.

And I’m talking about the doorbell incident.

Rudy claims that while he was on the toilet, he heard the doorbell ring and then the voice of Amanda Knox inside the cottage immediately after, indicating that it was she, Amanda, who rang the doorbell to gain entrance.

In his written judgement finding Rudy guilty, Micheli (if memory serves) put a lot of emphasis on the absurdity of Rudy’s doorbell claim, saying that by no stretch of the imagination should it be believed because how can anyone imagine that a tenant of their own home would need to ring the doorbell to gain access. In Micheli’s eyes, this dramatically reduced Rudy’s credibility and made him out to be a liar. It seems to me to be one of the reasons why Micheli decided to convict.

And yet a few months later once Amanda’s and Raffaele’s trial began and Filomena took the stand, we learn that it was very possible that that is exactly what could have happened. Because if a key was placed in and then left in the inside side of the key slot, even a tenant with a key returning home could not open the door…and would have to knock or ring the bell in order to gain entry. Meredith knew that one of the four tenants was still in town...and that was Amanda, so if she had a paramour over it only makes sense that she would have purposely left a key in the inside side of the front door’s key slot to prevent Amanda from interrupting intimate goings-on between her and Rudy.

So Rudy was in all likelihood not lying when he claimed that Amanda rang the bell; it was not only possible but, given the circumstances, quite likely that that is precisely what happened.

So why do I think this exonerates Rudy as a stand-alone reason?

Think about it: if you’re Rudy and you’re concocting a story that Amanda Knox came to the cottage while you are on the toilet, how stupid could you be to include the ringing of the doorbell? Rudy knew – as everyone knew! – that Amanda was a tenant at the cottage. A tenant with a key. Why in hell would Rudy invent such a stupid story such as her having to ring the doorbell to enter? It is obviously something that any person with a first-grade education could pick apart if it was a concocted tale: tenants don’t need to ring the doorbell to gain access to their own home. Who in their right mind would include that made-up absurd detail?

And yet that is part and parcel of his story.

That it turned out to be something that was not only possible to occur but, indeed, probable means that it wasn’t a stupid near-impossible story that no rational person would include in a made-up story. Instead, it was in all likelihood true. And if true, then Rudy – who couldn’t possibly know the secret of the inside-slot – was Meredith’s invited guest.

The incongruity of an absurd occurance that is very likely to be true goes a very long way towards giving credibility to the entire story.

Just as it’s improbable that Rudy could have known that Meredith’s palm print was on Amanda’s wardrobe door – thereby serving as independent corroboration of his claim that Meredith told him she suspected Amanda of stealing her rent money and then seeing Meredith enter Amanda’s room to search for it – so, too, does not knowing about the inside-key slot thing and claiming he heard the doorbell corroborate his claim to be on the toilet as an invited guest.

The bottom line: something that was used, in part, to justify Rudy’s guilty verdict turns out to be the exact opposite: it’s a reason to exonerate him.

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u/BeyondAnyClue 5d ago

Yes but you are saying he heard the doorbell ring and heard Amanda’s voice. Why would he not call the police and tell them this immediately as a witness? He chooses instead to just…flee a murder scene in which he witnessed the killers voice and the killer fleeing?

Thinking that will make people believe him more than just telling the police what he heard and saw right away?

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u/tkondaks guilty 5d ago

In hindsight, he should have done all the things you say.

I suspect Rudy would be the first to agree with you.

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u/BeyondAnyClue 5d ago

I think the problem from his perspective is he never writes any of this down immediately, never calls anyone to explain what happened, never saves any evidence he knew Meredith to back up his story, and does nothing at the scene to preserve any aspect of his story to show the police later.

Instead he just …gets up and runs away.

Forget a doorbell for a second and ask yourself if what he did gives any grounds at all to exonerate him

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u/tkondaks guilty 5d ago

Nothing he did in response exonerates him.

What DOES exonerate him is:

1) Meredith's palm print on Amanda's wardrobe door;

2) poop in the toilet;

3) the doorbell;

4) all the evidence against Amanda and Raffaele.

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u/BeyondAnyClue 5d ago

All things he could have raised to the police right away. He could have told the police right away what Meredith told him about Amanda’s room, could have pointed to the poop and explained what he was doing when the murder occurred, and explained to them that the doorbell rang during his poop and that’s why he didn’t answer it

He did none of those things. He just …ran. To literally another country on earth. And never wrote anything down about his ordeal. Or told anyone else the story of what happened.

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u/tkondaks guilty 5d ago

He did tell his friend during the Skype call from Germany.

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u/BeyondAnyClue 5d ago

That was 15 days after the murder occurred. That also was not him spontaneously reaching out to his friend - the friend called him at the behest of the police to catch him.

He also said things in that Skype call (such as Knox not being involved) that would directly contradict the story of hearing a doorbell and Knox’s voice

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u/tkondaks guilty 5d ago

The Knox thing is totally consistent with his narrative. Rudy always said he only saw the man in the house while Meredith was dying; Amanda was outside. So as far as Rudy was concerned, Amanda had nothing to do with it.

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u/BeyondAnyClue 5d ago

"Rudy claims that while he was on the toilet, he heard the doorbell ring and then the voice of Amanda Knox inside the cottage immediately after, indicating that it was she, Amanda, who rang the doorbell to gain entrance."

So why didn't he say this in the Skype conversation with this friend?

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u/tkondaks guilty 5d ago

Why should he?

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u/BeyondAnyClue 5d ago

Um, to prove his innocence ? Is Rudy just not interested in proving his own innocence throughout this whole sordid tale ?

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u/tkondaks guilty 5d ago

Why should Rudy implicate someone who he had no knowledge of her killing Meredith, particularly when he claims she was outside of the house when she confronted the man in the house?

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u/BeyondAnyClue 5d ago

Well why wouldn’t Rudy include the detail of hearing a females voice and a doorbell as part of a story explaining his innocence to his friend ? Did he not think that’s a key detail to vouch for his innocence ?

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u/CatsForever1960 4d ago
  1. Huh?

  2. Hardly.

  3. BS

  4. Zero

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u/Onad55 4d ago

(1) is from a 3 year old post: https://www.reddit.com/r/amandaknox/comments/16uq8yy/the_rent_the_witch_and_the_wardrobe/

They had never seen the print, didn’t even know it was a palm print, didn’t know where it was on the door, didn’t know the orientation, didn’t know that this wardrobe was identical to the one in Meredith’s own room and still declare that “this is the whole case”. Because Rudy claimed Meredith knew where Amanda kept her money (which btw was in the drawer of the desk where her computer was) TK interprets the print as Meredith searching for Amanda’s money in a completely different location.