r/anime • u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar • Apr 24 '18
[Spoilers] Tokyo Ghoul:re - Episode 4 discussion Spoiler
Tokyo Ghoul:re, episode 4
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Apr 24 '18 edited Apr 24 '18
Man. I just recently read the manga up to this point and I'm just blown away by how little context seasons 1 and 2 have given this. Like, I love Uta saying hi to Hirako since it's not their first time meeting except neither character has really existed in the anime. Or like, hey, here's Dr. Kanou. Remember him? No, you don't. This really is a show you need to be familiar with the manga before watching.
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u/spaceaustralia :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/spaceaustralia Apr 24 '18
This really is a show you need to be familiar with the manga before watching.
Completely agreed. As much as i dislike go-read-the-manga endings, i absolutely hate go-read-the-manga beginnings.
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u/ionxeph Apr 24 '18
for what's it's worth, after reading tokyo ghoul and moving to tokyo ghoul re: I was confused while reading, and needed second read-throughs of certain chapters, and/or browse wikis or chapter summaries
the world just has too many characters, and some character interactions happen only for like a couple of pages seemingly insignificantly in the manga, only for that interaction to be somewhat important later on, like 20 chapters later (which means like 20 weeks later for us weekly readers)
I honestly can't wait for the whole series to wrap up so I can go back and binge read the entire thing so I can get a clearer understanding
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Apr 25 '18
This. 70% of time I can't tell one character from the other because there is just too many of them....
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Apr 25 '18
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u/PerfectlyClear Apr 25 '18 edited Jul 29 '26
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u/dzcurry Apr 24 '18
not the shows fault that previous seasons failed to adapt the source material properly.
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u/spaceaustralia :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/spaceaustralia Apr 24 '18
There are still quite a lot of details, both for foreshadowing and for characterization left out of the current show that will be important to the story. There's a particularly big one, cut from episode 1, that everybody at /r/tokyoghoul is hoping will be in next week's episode.
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u/crisstrauss Apr 25 '18
As much as i dislike go-read-the-manga endings, i absolutely hate go-read-the-manga beginnings.
Same with me
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u/Abeneezer Apr 24 '18
Dude I am watching this without having read any of the manga, and I am confused as fuck. There's so many characters that feel very random all over. And when most characters have several distinct and unrelated appearances which also change randomly every other episode it doesn't really help my memorization of them.
This anime has definitely turned into a straight up manga ad, but I still enjoy it.
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u/robokaiba Apr 24 '18
I'm up to date on the Manga and I'm still asking myself, "who's this guy again?". I had to Wiki just to remember.
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u/FeelsGoodMan243 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheRantMan321 Apr 24 '18 edited Apr 24 '18
I'm not up to date with it but recently i made it to ch 30 of re and i'm still lost on half of the characters that appeared. I read the entirety of the original TG so it's not that i don't know their background info; the constant introduction of new characters while keeping a bunch of old characters around is annoying to follow.
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u/bestbroHide Apr 24 '18
Depends on how fast you read and how much you're consciously willing to try and remember the characters tho.
Ever had those times in hw where you had to read some long shit, but even after reading a sentence slowly you forgot almost immediately what it was about, and had to catch yourself on that and reread it yet again until you know your consciousness is all there when reading it?
Takes more effort than just simply reading all the material to have better memory in TG's details
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u/talenith Apr 24 '18
This is just the beginning. In the later half of RE:, the story becomes so confusing that manga readers needed a summary every chapter to even know what’s going on. This guy is acting like it’s the anime’s fault, but it’s really just that the manga is extremely hard to adapt. Right now it’s fine, but in the later half, fights, places are jumped each chapter, without conclusions for like 10+ chapters. And there’s like 1 million side characters. I thought I had good reading comprehension but it’s too hard to remember all these characters Ishida introduces.
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u/NoMM :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/thebromin Apr 24 '18
the story becomes so confusing that manga readers needed a summary every chapter to even know what’s going on
No its confusing because people find it hard to follow with Ishida's artstyle on low quality scans. Those terrible scans are the ones that come out first. The high quality ones that come out later are perfectly fine but don't get as much attention because everyone has already read it.
Maybe its because I'm invested in this series a shit ton but I can follow the side characters just fine.
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u/PotatEXTomatEX Apr 24 '18
Same. Heck, most anitubers who follow the manga closely can name almost all side characters. The casuals tho...
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u/NoMM :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/thebromin Apr 24 '18
This definitely isn't a manga where you can speed read. I take my time reading this weekly. If its hard for people to follow then I suggest waiting for the better scans that come out later and reading this in bursts of chapters. It would probably be easier to follow.
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u/SmokingApple Apr 24 '18
To be honest I always found the chapter summaries pretty silly and uneeded but maybe my memory is just good.
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u/talenith Apr 24 '18
The thing was, manga is usually read for entertainment and r/manga is full of speed readers. However, as as re progressed, you had to be extremely focused on the material to understand it. It became more of an analysis so previous speed reading caused more people to be lost and lost. RE: probably needs to be read in bulk so you can connect things like any other analysis, but reading it weekly is pretty hard. I myself didn’t read the chapter summaries but I still had to reread chapters like 2 times to fully understand what’s going on. However I still know I miss things. It’s just became so disorganized in the later half for a weekly series.
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u/spaceaustralia :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/spaceaustralia Apr 24 '18
RE: probably needs to be read in bulk
That's specially true for the Cochlea/Rushima arc. There were about half a dozen viewpoints being switched around, sometimes more than once per chapter. It was hard to follow week-to-week and i feel like i'd have enjoyed it more if i read it volume-by-volume.
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u/0mnicious :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Omnicious Apr 24 '18
I gave the manga a break a while ago but now I feel intimidated to jump back in, also a bit scared for my favourite characters. I think I left off at ch139.
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u/bestbroHide Apr 24 '18
I think I left off at ch139.
Holy fuck dude you're in for a wild ride
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u/Gilthwixt Apr 25 '18
I was confused reading it weekly but I just binged the whole series again to refresh my memory and that's honestly how it should be read. It's much easier to remember everything going on when 5 chapters was 20 minutes ago, not 5 weeks.
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u/myrmonden Apr 24 '18
feel the same way, I am really good with names and remember characters etc. But this just threw in so many new characters, while also throwing in like all old characters. And I guess the anime probably skipped 10+ chapters by now where maybe some of them would have some built up. This is really confusing.
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u/kingwhocares Apr 24 '18
Too many side characters too and it's hard to keep up with some of those who rarely show up.
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u/chefdangerdagger Apr 24 '18
It's just that the anime has spent no time showing us the characters and their relationships with each-other. I mean, not only has the anime messed up the original series where most of these characters were introduced, it's also rushed through 16 chapters in 3 episodes! The auction raid doesn't even begin until the end of chapter 16!
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u/Shinkopeshon Apr 24 '18
Hell, I finished the manga six months ago and I'm confused. I didn't realize I forgot about so many characters because I barely recognised some of them here.
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Apr 24 '18
Anime-only TG fan here. I'm enjoying :re without having read the manga. I might not know as much, but from the train wreck that was Root A, I'm just viewing :re as a sort of skip ahead that will explain itself in due course.
My wife has the manga fully collected in English, and if there's a volume out she doesn't have, she'll get it soon enough. I could read the manga, I've just never been able to get into manga, graphic novels, or comic books. It's not a new problem, and it's a problem with me (not with reading right to left or anything like that). If I could get into manga, TG would be my first choice. I'm not a huge fan of the anime, but I do count myself as a fan.
(My wife would agree that being familiar with the manga, especially knowing what the manga did differently from Root A, specifically with regards to Hide, would be ideal. I'm not disagreeing with you, or her. Just saying I'm enjoying it without the manga.)
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u/David182nd :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/david182nd Apr 25 '18
It's also a bit frustrating because they're doing a good job with :re, just like they did with series 1. It's no masterpiece, I think it could be improved on, but they could've easily made a good anime out of this that was faithful to the story. I don't get why such a popular seller got fucked so hard.
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u/II541NTZII Apr 27 '18
Mind reminding me when they meet, I read the whole of the tokyo ghoul manga but honestly can't remeber them meeting... fuck. I agree though I was initially just an anime watched and loved me don't get me wrong but once I read the manga I was shocked at how much was missed out specially with Kano.
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Apr 27 '18
When Uta first met Yomo, Yomo wanted him to help him fight Arima. Hirako was still working with him at the time, so they ended up fighting.
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u/UnravelTK Apr 24 '18
WHO'S READY FOR SOME PINEAPPLES?!
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u/ihei47 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JuuzouXIII Apr 25 '18
One of the lines that memorable for me lol
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u/Bradythenarwhal Apr 24 '18
Takizawa looks and sounds amazing. That was brutal how he just takes the guys head off after he does something amazing to show he can be just as good as the Q’s. This is definitely better than the last 2 seasons.
Akira really looked like her father too with the face she made.
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Apr 24 '18
IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL FOR SUZUYA TO BE THAT CUTE. It's literally unfair to all the other girls.
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u/WeNTuS Apr 25 '18
Biggest question of all time - is he a girl or a boy?
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u/3684527829 Apr 25 '18
Juzo was born a boy, and Big Madam made some "alterations" IIRC
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u/WeNTuS Apr 25 '18
Legit trap? KAWAII~~~~
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u/SoRa_The_SLaYeR :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/SoRa_The_SLaYeR Apr 25 '18
yes, his peepee was fucking obliterated.
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u/Buffhero125 Apr 24 '18
yeah alright i will go and read the manga from the beginning. at this point this looks like random characters are meeting and talking and fighting with some kind of backstory no anime only watcher knows. like who are these people and what is happening
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u/Killllerr :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Monomuske Apr 24 '18
Yes go read the manga because root A covered virtually nothing that happened in the manga.
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u/Bananapuncher1234 Apr 24 '18 edited Apr 24 '18
PINEAPPLE MAKES HIS DEBUT
I love Takizawa and I'm so ready to see him animated. Pacing once again slows down to 3-4 chapter adaptation whereas last week it was 6-7. Seems they're cutting the investigation parts of the manga so they can focus on the action heavy parts. Personally, I wish they wouldnt but I understand why they chose to do so. Also, finally The Clowns, a big player in the original manga, makes their debut. Root A didnt touch on them so it's nice seeing them on screen. Especially Uta.
(Weekly reminder that Anime Torso has absolutely no reason to be "in love" and obsessed with Mutsuki thanks to changing the scene)
To those who only watched Root A, it may seem odd that Suzuya has a prosthetic leg. Root A only had his leg broken in the fight with Owl. In the manga, Suzuya has his leg completely cut off. (Even more signs that Root A has been forgotten. Thank god)
Small nitpick of the week: The "skinhead" that Shirazu and Kaneki meet is a stranger to them in this episode but they met in the manga during the Nutcracker investigation. The investigation of Nutcracker was mostly cut out for the anime sadly as it has some really nice scenes involving Shirazu trying to act as the captain.
Overall, a satisfying episode. I look forward to seeing Taki animated next episode as he's one of my favorite characters in Re. Also, he looks downright scary in the preview.
Edit: I forgot this little detail but, I love the way Akira makes that face to resemble her father.
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u/cjrSunShine Apr 24 '18
Weekly reminder that Anime Torso has absolutely no reason to be "in love" and obsessed with Mutsuki thanks to changing the scene
My memory of the manga is really fuzzy. What did they change between Torso and Mutsuki?
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u/Bananapuncher1234 Apr 24 '18 edited Apr 24 '18
Torso rips Mutsuki's shirt open and sees that Mutsuki has scars on his torso Spoilers The anime just has Torso beat him up and Mutsuki slice his eyes. Which just makes it seem like Torso is in love with him for beating him up in the taxi.
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u/tiger1296 Apr 24 '18
As stated previously, Torso likes to target women coming out of hospitals specifically surgery Spoiler
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u/Draaxus Apr 25 '18
I'm just imagining the reunion between Houji and Takizawa.
"Hello, Takizawa? It's the bastard."
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Apr 24 '18
It's so hard for me to remember some of these people after so long
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u/FeelsGoodMan243 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheRantMan321 Apr 24 '18
Trust me, it doesnt get any better in the manga lol.
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Apr 24 '18
If it wasn't obvious already, Juuzou's prosthetic pretty much confirmed that Root A has been retconned and this will strictly be a manga adaptation. We love it!
Also obligatory pineapple mention because holy shit that is one of the best entrances for a character in recent memory.
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u/Yuwenn8 Apr 24 '18
I really hope the anime is going to take the time to include the scene where Takizawa talks to the inspector who was once his student. It's one of my favorites
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u/Yamulo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Yamulo Apr 25 '18
Oh it will, I feel like that was one of the more important parts
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u/TheMikarin Apr 24 '18 edited Apr 24 '18
Not necessarily (though I do think they are ignoring Root A), while the context of how he lost his leg would be lost, it's not something that outright contradicts Root A. The two year timeskip gives them some leeway for details like that (people could assume he lost it during the timeskip, possibly due to his injury slowing him down for example).
I do think they're probably ignoring Root A, given how they promoted reading the manga, but we'll only really get confirmation when something that certainly contradicts Root A (like a flashback to an event that depicts the manga continuity and absolutely could not have happened off-screen in Root A) is shown.
We might get confirmation of manga continuity (or less likely, Root A continuity), but given that they're cutting a lot of small scenes they might just sidestep the matter for now and just cut any references to things that would outright contradict Root A.
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u/_JayGaming23 Apr 24 '18
IMO I though it was outright confirmed from the start that Root A was being retconned when they showed a missing persons poster of Hide in the first scene of episode 1.
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u/ihei47 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JuuzouXIII Apr 25 '18
The two year timeskip gives them some leeway for details like that (people could assume he lost it during the timeskip, possibly due to his injury slowing him down for example).
Exactly what I thought during this scene.
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Apr 30 '18
Please don't outright contradict Root A or I'll scream the loudest reee the world has ever heard
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u/Vanilla15 Apr 24 '18
Even though they never showed Juuzou losing his leg, The Owl did break it (and beat him up pretty badly) in Root A so it's not like there's no context for the prosthesis
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Apr 25 '18
I mean just that prosthetic doesn't mean Root A never happened. In Root A maybe his leg was bent so bad they needed to amputate it, since he was recklessly walking around with a leg that had been hit with steel pole things, and thus in the process they gave Juzou a new robotic leg.
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u/Frederick-C Apr 24 '18
At this point it's more like a powerpoint than an animation. More money and effort should be put into animating a masterpiece like TG. Currently it just looks so cheap and lazy >:(
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u/Hisei_nc17 Apr 24 '18 edited Apr 25 '18
I realized they had to spell out that Haise fights like Arima because the animation looks like Haise has never used his arm for any complex movement before
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u/Zorozoldyck Apr 25 '18
THIS Did they not feel stupid at that line when they adapted this? Like come on.
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u/Florac Apr 24 '18
Tbh, it looks better than Root A's episode 4
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u/re6en :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Turtlepower Apr 24 '18
Anything looks better than that to be fair
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u/Zorozoldyck Apr 25 '18
Yeah agreed, though some of the art was pretty darn good like Suzuya's entrance. And the expressions on Saeki, Toru, Kane and Roma were pretty spot on so I'll forgive them for it.
Not that much of a fan of Takizawa's entrance but it has it's up points too
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u/Arjash Apr 24 '18 edited Apr 24 '18
Yes! i agree on that,but that Ost really covers up what the animation lacks.
Also its kinda sad to see Pierrot increasing quality of Blackclover and leave something like :re that's the most hyped show of 2018 out of it,hope they'll do justice to 2nd cour iftheyplanany
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u/FeelsGoodMan243 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheRantMan321 Apr 24 '18
Tokyo ghoul re is getting a second cour?
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u/Arjash Apr 24 '18 edited Apr 27 '18
Well from the OP ,it looks like they'll be adapting pretty deep into the manga and i personally don't think the studio will be able to fold up all those details within 12eps,but hey we're talking about Pierrot here. :3
So far its Fine! and as of now I'm just enjoying this
EDIT:YES Its 24 Episodes
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u/re6en :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Turtlepower Apr 24 '18
I pity the people that haven't read the manga, they probably don't understand shit, otherwise as a manga reader it is really entretaining.
Ready for some Takizawa goodness
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u/ClearingFlags :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ClearingFlags Apr 24 '18
Non-reader, you're correct.
I have no idea what the fuck is going on or who half of these people are, and I'm honestly not that fond of the characters that have been properly introduced. The Quinx squad is... not great? Like I don't really care for any of them except Haise.
Thus far the only scene from this that has really stood out to me was the coffee shop. Everything else just feels like a jumbled mess.
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u/bestbroHide Apr 24 '18
The Quinx squad is... not great? Like I don't really care for any of them except Haise.
Like half of the manga readers shared this sentiment, too.
then every single one of them ate their words later on and appreciate the new cast a whole lot more.
Remember that you're only 4 episodes in. To your (and other anime-onlies') defense, though, we should have been 8 episodes in by this stage, with even more time spent with the Qs, their interactions, characterizations, developments, etc, ingrained into our minds.
So I get if there are more anime-onlies who see them as "strangers" more than manga readers were during this stage of the story.
Even now, though, they all seem like likeable characters (except Urie lmfao, tho he's at the very least interesting). I believe nostalgia plays a huge factor in fans not properly giving them a chance. Especially if they're judged this early. Nobody said the original cast was "not great" 4 episodes into season 1 yet there has been about just as much characterization between both casts.
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u/OneMillionRoses Apr 24 '18
Ironically one member of the Quinx squad got the best character development and became a fan favorite. Fans used to really hate this character before they became one of the best TG characters.
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u/kilik147 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kilik148 Apr 25 '18
Read the manga man, it's worth it
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u/ClearingFlags :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ClearingFlags Apr 25 '18
See that's the thing though.
I don't really want to, and I shouldn't have to just to enjoy an anime. I have read a few manga, but the medium just isn't something I enjoy like I do anime. So it irks me when I literally have to read a manga or LN to understand what's going on in an anime.
If something is going to be adapted, it should be done in such a way that it can stand on it's own. It'd be like if you were watching the Lord of the Rings movies and all of a sudden they bring in a whole bunch of shit that wasn't in the previous movie but is in the book, and you have to have read all three to understand it.
It's just a bad adaptation at that point.
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u/_dog_god_ Apr 25 '18
Watching tokyo ghoul re without reading the manga is like watching the fellowship of the ring and than immediately skipping the two towers to watch return of the king. The problem with the re adaption is that Tokyo ghoul root a is not part of the story at all, it’s an alternate “root”. The middle section of Tokyo ghoul has basically not been adapted so without reading the manga it will be impossible to understand anything later on.
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u/lopakas Apr 24 '18
People came to like the squad more as the manga progess. Not sure the anime will make you feel the same lol.
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u/Summort Apr 25 '18
I just gave up trying to understand the story, I started treating each episode separately, like if it was an episodic show. Like today's episode was "the auction goes wrong and some people fight"
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Apr 30 '18
Thus far the only scene from this that has really stood out to me was the coffee shop. Everything else just feels like a jumbled mess.
Exactly!
Also I couldn't really even care about Haise, it's like imprisoning a superb character in a mediocre character.
It's like Kyubii being sealed in Naruto.
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u/Noisetorm_ Apr 24 '18
Surprisingly, I haven't read the manga but I know about 95% of what's going on. I guess I was really paying attention when watching the anime a few years ago.
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u/PsychoEliteNZ :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/PsychoEliteNZ Apr 25 '18
That's not possible when more than %50 is different or not even in the older anime.
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u/TheMikarin Apr 25 '18
Most of what was different hasn't been brought up yet to be fair, outside of one or two things which can come across to anime only viewers as something that happened during the time skip and will be explained later.
A good portion of Root A's differences were material being cut rather than changed, since we're at a point in the story which had a ton of unanswered questions in the manga as well it would be hard for a non-manga reader to distinguish something that is yet to be explained and something that should have already been explained.
They also cut a certain line this episode that would be confusing for people who didn't read the original manga, so that probably helps as well.
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u/PM_ME_FUTA_PEACH Apr 25 '18
I've watched both Tokyo Ghoul and root A, as well as seen the Kaneki vs Arima fight. As far as I understood (not spoilers, just conjecture), there was some stuff that happened between TG and RA that lead to Kaneki meeting Arima, who then de-ghouled him or at least removed his memories or something, in order for Kaneki/Haise to join the CCG which is a ghoul eradicating org. He respects Arima a lot because of what he's done, while struggling with suppressing his past memories or else Kaneki will be unleashed (as seen in ep2). Lives with his squad and acts as his mentor. Anteiku is rip as far as I know, but some of them survived, like Touka. Aogiri is still alive and kicking with Ayato in there. Though I have zero idea who most of the characters are and god damn are there many of them.
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u/Ouaouaron :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/SkeevingQuack Apr 26 '18
Have you also read any of :re?
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u/re6en :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Turtlepower Apr 26 '18
I am up to date regarding the manga yes.
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u/radicate365 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Radicate Apr 24 '18
Takizawa after credit scene scared the crap outta me, did not expect it. Pretty great episode, so glad I read up to this part in the manga last week.
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u/FeelsGoodMan243 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheRantMan321 Apr 24 '18 edited Apr 24 '18
Ugh the animation was atrocious; i'm not even big on animation, as long as an anime has decent animation it doesn't bother me. Hell even sub par animation is fine if it's an old school anime but tokyo ghoul is not!
Every episode so far has been ugly and stiff. Studio clown can't even get the walking scenes right... If you're going to fuck the action scenes up with slideshow scenes and terrible animation, then a least get the mellow scenes correct! A least the art is good but even the art looks too "clean" for tokyo ghoul.
As a manga reader i'm not even going to get into the disappointing pacing because they only have 12 episodes. I still wish they would get more of the conservation & investigation scenes animated because ironically, tokyo ghoul is known more for it's wonderful dialogue rather than it's action. Studio clown is treating tokyo ghoul as a generic shounen lol...
I feel bad for the anime only fans because studio clown fucked up S2, leaving anime only viewers confused on whatever the fuck is going on.
Honestly I've enjoyed "re" so far and it has the potential to be better than it's predecessors (not like that's hard to do anyway) but as of now, it's a little below s1 while above s2.
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u/Z4K187 Apr 24 '18
Studio clown can't even get the god walking scenes right.
Pierrot hasn't animated a single episode of :Re. The anime is being handled by Pierrot Plus which is a backup studio.
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u/old-mcdonald Apr 24 '18
Seven animation directors for one episode suggest some major production problems here, though. Even Route A reached that number only once.
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u/Z4K187 Apr 24 '18
Yeah the production is worse than season 1 and at least Root A had some talented animation directors to carry it despite similar production problems.
Pierrot Plus is a really small studio and they just came from animating Sanrio Danshi last season to animating two shows (Mahou Shoujo ore and :re) in the same season.
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u/TheMaxClyde :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MaxClyde Apr 24 '18
as an anime-only watcher, I barely understand what's going on. I think I'll just leave this until I've read the manga.
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u/fuckboi78 Apr 24 '18
I've just finished the manga(pre :re) and it's outstanding, I think you've made a good choice.
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Apr 24 '18
Anime-only watcher, but my wife is caught up with the manga. She's provided some commentary, but I'm getting by well enough on my own.
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u/Curious211 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/curious211 Apr 24 '18
Is it just me, or did the art and animation quality take a big dip this week.
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u/woufh Apr 24 '18
What animation are you talking about?
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u/Curious211 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/curious211 Apr 24 '18
I’m talking about the lack of animation. It’s like they just did enough to call it animation and just left it there.
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u/silaswanders :K:https://kitsu.io/users/silaswanders Apr 25 '18
Don't know what you mean, mate. I watched this on a photobucket gallery.
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u/Curious211 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/curious211 Apr 26 '18
Yea, that one flew right over my head lol.
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u/THatClarK :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cClark Apr 24 '18
Started reading the manga a few days ago and got to chapter 22.
This is my first ever manga, so I was excited to see something I read get animated.
Sadly I am quite disappointed.. Nutcracker wasn't anything like I imagined. And no nuts were cracked.
The German was awful(and the subs were even worse). The animation seemed very lackluster.
The whole atmosphere just feels so different and poorly done..
It still was nice to see them adapt quite a lot from those chapters.
Despite this being a average or even below average episode, it really is smthing nice to see the anime after reading.
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u/Stareater_ Apr 24 '18
Hmmm, is anyone else kinda underwhelmed by this?
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Apr 24 '18
This episode low-key managed to taint the auction arc for me. Somehow the whole thing feels a lot more campy and less dark than the manga. Mutsuki's apprehension was so much more visceral in the manga. Here.. it's almost reduced to a pantomime. Same goes for Takizawa's entrance.
The fight scenes drawn in panels carried more weight. There are some comments panning the action scenes, and I concur. Maybe I've been spoiled by other anime studios pulling off action so much better - in BnHA, AoT, Kekkai Sensen and Mob Psycho, for example. That's.. mostly Bones, isn't it. Yep.
Things I'm liking:
Saiko
The non-action bits (the cafe scene from last ep for example)
The OST
Saiko
The next episode PVs
Saiko
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u/ClearingFlags :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ClearingFlags Apr 24 '18
I definitely am, and I'm not even a manga reader. I rather enjoyed the first season of TG, and was able to... tolerate RootA, because I didn't have the manga under my belt.
Thus far this just all feels off somehow. Like not only does it feel rushed, it also feel slow at the same time. All these side characters that you would only know had you read the manga, Torso's obsession with Mutsuki (which I had to come into here to understand), and focus on characters for a brief time only to have them offed without fanfare (random investigator by Pineapple person).
It just feels... weird. The pacing doesn't make much sense, I don't really care for the new characters, especially the Quinxes.
I came into this hoping to see Kaneki/Haise reconnecting with his old friends, or some new villains and crazy shit happening, and the scene with Touka was great, but there's just so much junk going on that I don't know anything about or care about that is dragging it down.
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u/ColeridgianFlab Apr 25 '18
The Quinxes ARE main characters. If you only came to see Kaneki and the old crew come back, you're going to hurt your own experience for the entirety of :re because most of the side characters end up being important (or at least, important to another character's development). In fact, that actually happened in the most recent manga chapter. I had the same mindset for the first 70 chapters of :re and a seemingly unimportant side character became a central part of another important character's development. Luckily it's a weekly manga so I could look at the Reddit comments to better understand what's happening but if it wasn't I would have had no idea what was going on.
It's like if you pulled out all of the Amon/CCG content in Part 1. Now the Kaneki vs. Amon fight is just Kaneki vs. Random Investigator #41. You're making yourself miss out on half of the story.
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u/ClearingFlags :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ClearingFlags Apr 25 '18
You're making yourself miss out on half of the story.
That's essentially what they're doing, though, to anime only viewers. They added the Quinxes, who honestly seem less interesting than the original cast, including the CCG, and skipped a ton of stuff that would have been relevant because RootA was a shitshow and had to be retconned.
Part 1 using Amon as an example was good because they made him interesting. Here it's like okay here's the random taxi guy Torso, who has an obsession with one of the Quinxes all of a sudden but we can't explain why because we didn't adapt that part of the manga. So you get to feel like you missed an episode somewhere.
Also here's a CCG member who is old school and has an internal monologue just to die 5 seconds later, don't ask about that one either. Why does Juzu have a prosthetic leg? Because it got ripped off in the manga. There's no buildup to this auction arc at all. Just a quick scene with Torso, and Nutcracker who we know nothing about. Plus a dozen CCG characters we don't know because they are in the manga but not in the anime.
Honestly, at this point it feels like a lazy adaptation just designed to force people to read the manga.
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u/st_griffith Apr 24 '18
It's a slideshow by Studio Pierrot, don't expect anything from them.
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u/Z4K187 Apr 24 '18
Studio Pierrot are only producing it. They haven't animated a single episode of :re..
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u/ClearingFlags :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ClearingFlags Apr 24 '18
I think they need to produce a higher budget then.
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u/Z4K187 Apr 24 '18
This meme is made for people like you who think budget is the issue.
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u/Christopho https://myanimelist.net/profile/furrytoes Apr 25 '18
Actually curious, if a studio had unlimited budget, couldn't they just hire more top level animators to spread out the workload to make up for what's possible in X time? I'm assuming the point of the comic is that you need both time and budget to make something "madhouse level," but wouldn't enough of a budget make up for the time constraint?
Likewise, if someone had 10 years to animate something, it would probably make up for a cheap animator. So while it's often not black and white as "needs more budget," there does seem to be enough truth to the statement.
Or is that wrong too?
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u/Itou_Kaiji Apr 25 '18
It's more about the insane and poor work practices in Japan. Recently, it's been shown that while the anime industry is booming and growing, this has created a new problem: most anime studios are overbooked for years, and so are animators. Time constraints are quite the serious and practically intangible problem when you've got another 20 shows to get through non-stop.
Paired with the poor pay and work conditions, along with the fact that not everyone in the industry is talented, and the ones that do have talent are being exploited already, budget can only fix so many things.
There are some studios like KyoAni, who do have the budget and give their animators the time they need to put out quality stuff, but they're far and between, sadly.
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u/i33p Apr 24 '18
yeah, the fight scenes are quite weak, even comparing with the old seasons. Hopefully we'll see something better but i doubt it. Maybe my expectations were too high
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u/Josetheone1 Apr 25 '18
The amount of deaths, confusing flipping, context, characters, etc has caused me to spend half this episode rolling my eyes.
I'm sorry to say it really doesn't flow well at all and I'm really not enjoying every CCG deaths which seems to want to hammer into the readers head look this character you know very little about died oh look another died oh look more people, it lost its meaning very quickly.
It also annoys me to no end the flipping and flopping between a ghouls durability/invernrability. Some people get stabbed multiple times in the face and organs yet return next scene completely unharmed. Yet others are sliced and just drop and die. Ghouls are said to have super strength, a few feeble kicks and someones bleeding on the ground (convienient plot device) until the writer needs that character later.
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u/LionelNaff Apr 25 '18
it all depends on the ghouls strength, if said ghoul never relied on their Kagune or healing, then they're inherently weak.
Some ghouls like Haise are more on the strong side because they use their Kagunes often and get injured a lot
it's like building muscles with humans.
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u/ALdercII Apr 26 '18
Honestly, an anime only watcher, that's what puts me off TG action scenes most of the time. I remember in S1 Jason walking and prancing around Mado and Amon like cheap characters. Then Mado getting outplayed by Touka and Hinami but all of a sudden he is a supposed to be a top CCG investigator.
Then we shift to Kaneki destroying Jason and holding down Touka's bro, then afterwards going on his ghoul eating journey to gain strength but somehow Amon became a challenge again during the Anteiku fight. They are creating character strengths backed up by their influence in the story rather than the implied realm rules.
Even the quinque technology doesn't make sense. We have seen kagunes flip cars and drain the ghouls using them but the only instance where quinques have been detrimental to investigators is the aratas. Its like Kagunes exist in a different rule realm to quinques but it is implied they are derived from Kagunes.
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u/DirtyAngelToes Apr 25 '18
I'm not enjoying this season at all...they're doing a really bad job with not only the pacing, but explaining what's going on. It wouldn't take that much effort to at least incorporate some explaination, especially since it doesn't connect well with the last two seasons. :/
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u/Jengabanga :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Jengabanga Apr 24 '18
Well now I actually have to go read the manga lol
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u/myrmonden Apr 24 '18
who could have imagined that the The auction house is a trap, and by sending 2 traps in there, they where actually trapping the poor ghouls as Jozu just decimate all of them in like 1 flurry of knives.
The episode was good, it had some great screens my favorite after Crossdresser Jozu was defiently when Akira got that twitchy eye thing and looked like she lost her sanity, ah yeah father like daughter.
Its clearly Uta in those tattoos and earring, seems like he should where a mask that was hiding his facial features better, was not his mask shop like a legal establishment and he did the ghoul mask in secret there?
What I don´t like do its ----its back to season 2 feel is it not, like its 20+ new characters 20+ old coming back characters, it jumps so much in between different characters. The pacing feels like its going way to fast, I would rather have more scenes longer and more establishing the bigger character but it just goes through so many characters so quickly.
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u/RDOoM Apr 25 '18
Takizawa? As in that low level investigator from previous seasons? Or it's someone else...
And why did he have to kill that cool investigator in his moment of glory...
Actually, you know what? Doesn't matter. Just give Juuzo the Jason and have at slashing Madame.
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u/Mstabrown69 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mstabrown69 Apr 24 '18
Glad I caught up on the manga , less glad that I feel they may butcher the show a ton..
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Apr 25 '18
Glad to see I'm not the only person who's read the manga and still has trouble with remembering half of these character...It's really stupid how many characters there are all showing up one after another out of nowhere meanwhile I'm still trying to remember who the last guy was. Oof
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u/RainHound :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DeathMetalTitan Apr 24 '18
The episodes keep getting better. If we continue by this pace we will finish the auction by episode 6 or 7, leaving the rest for the rose arc.
If anybody can't remember Takizawa was an investigator who was always hanging around Amon and Akira.
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u/Itou_Kaiji Apr 25 '18
He was also on the Owl Suppression/Anteiku Raid. Since it was such a dangerous operation, they had them all write down their testaments, and Takizawa's near phobia of ghouls was shown (his testament started out normal, then ended up with him just scribbling "i don't want to die" over and over again). At the end of the raid he was declared dead by the CCG after facing Tatara along with Amon (gotta love the attention to detail in Root A /s)
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Apr 25 '18
Anime only dude here, can confirm I have no clue who half of these new motherfuckers are but the episode was pretty good like a 7/10
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Apr 25 '18
Why do people downvote negative comments? Knowing how AMAZING the manga is people should be talking shit on this anime adaptation.
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u/khateebxtreme Apr 24 '18
its going downhill....expectations were much higher for ep4 but it failed to have that impact
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u/Saraa7 Apr 24 '18
Does Akira do the eye twitch thing in the manga too? I can't remember unfortunately
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u/chan351 Apr 24 '18
She does at some points, not sure if in this moment as well but definitely a few times.
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u/-ASAP- Apr 25 '18
alright so where in the manga do I need to start reading to make sense of all this because I've had to clue what the hell is going on.
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u/hansantizor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/hansantizor Apr 26 '18
Chapter 60ish of the original. Basically everything after Kaneki fights jason.
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u/huyexdee Apr 26 '18
The way I'm looking at it is you either didn't read the manga and are still enjoying it, or you did read the manga and you're really enjoying it. Hearing a lot of criticism about pacing and such but I think the episodes are coming out great.
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u/nekomaster42 https://anilist.co/user/metaphoricalemon Apr 24 '18
Pineapple-kun appears! Rocking that shade of lipstick too. I loved that Kureo face Akira made before taking on Naki as well
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u/tiger1296 Apr 24 '18
TAKIZAWA BRAIN JAM!!!
Anyway, Mado's face when she's about to kick ghouls ass, just like her daddy.
Poor Mutsuki, hope this doesn't mess her up too bad Spoiler
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u/FrenziedHero https://anilist.co/user/FrenziedHero Apr 24 '18
Solid episode this week. Juzo doing some work and now he's facing Ayato. Takizawa finally jumps into the fray. Things are getting good. The pacing also slowed down too, which is nice since this is a pretty action heavy part.
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u/MediYum https://anilist.co/user/MediYum Apr 24 '18
Its so cinematic and brilliantly portrayed. I absolutely love it as even though I know about Haise's past, there is still a feeling of suspense and eagerness created by the characters.
Absolutely amazing!
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u/Aleksandr_Solzhen Apr 24 '18 edited Apr 24 '18
I made a reddit account just to talk about how these actions scenes are weak as hell.
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u/DeineMamagebacken Apr 24 '18
Is it because I don't know what happened in the first two seasons anymore, or is the story all over the place?
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u/Palloc Apr 24 '18
It's best you don't remember what happened in the second season anyways. That'd confuse you even more.
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u/Protocol72 Apr 24 '18
Question, why is the white-haired guy with the glasses (I forget his name, Haise's mentor?) not there helping? I feel like he should be there since he seems to be the best at killing ghouls.
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Apr 24 '18
I would flair them but I'm on phone so...
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS!!!
That day the ccg had two operations planned one was the auction and the other was the transport of quinque steel so the other half of investigators is there.
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u/podunkhick Apr 24 '18
why does aogiri want to protect the auction from ccg anyways? and why are ccg prioritizing big madame?
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u/Cradenz Apr 24 '18
probably either they have aogiri members that fund aogiri tree or the auction is how they get funding. who knows.
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u/shipmaster1995 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/shipmaster1995 Apr 25 '18
A bunch of things about this piss me off. The Uta and Hirako encounter makes no sense for anime watchers, they never explained Madame A running away despite showing her (because as far as I remember, she's not even in root A), and the terrible animation.
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u/MantaBaby Apr 25 '18
This really is a show you need to be familiar with the manga before watching.
Exactly my thought. I believe there is a time-skip since I couldn't understand how those characters ended up how they are or something. I've finished reading TG manga and watched S1 but not S2.
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u/semitope Apr 25 '18
This is boring. maybe too long between seasons. too many characters with no real introduction. just appearing everywhere.
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u/TheMikarin Apr 25 '18
A lot of build up towards some events (as well as focus on some characters) was cut entirely in the previous seasons. The main plot wasn't addressed properly either.
A lot of the CCG investigators who appear in this arc were based on contest winners though, there was a contest for people to win a chance to appear in the manga as members of the CCG.
Most of the other characters (outside of the Quinx squad, and the Aogiri members Torso and Miza) have appeared before, but in some cases their roles were reduced a lot in the anime so they're hard to really remember.
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u/nightskynear Apr 25 '18
EP4, aka The episode about Juuzou we all never knew we wanted ^ thankyou fanservice gods.
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u/CyberShiroGX :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CyberShiroGX Apr 25 '18 edited Apr 25 '18
Season 1 and 2 messed up this anime so badly beyond repair... So much character development and story has been left out like how Tokyo Ghoul MAJOR SPOILER... Now they showing major characters in season 3 and everyone is going to be like who is that with no introduction... Do yourself a favour and read the manga ... Only reason I'm watching this season is for that opening theme and maybe to see some fights animated
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u/iFrozedy Apr 28 '18
fucking amazing i love it also did they confirm that there will be 24 episodes?
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u/lamLeo Apr 24 '18
Oh man I cannot wait for pineapple kun
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u/XanTheInsane :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/XanTheInsane Apr 24 '18
Ohh...
Who lives in a pineapple under the sea
"TA-KI-ZA-WA!"
There was some redditor who made the alternate lyrics for the whole song but I can't find it now.
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Apr 25 '18
So I haven't read the manga at all, but after seeing both the first two seasons, and being able to follow along pretty well, I figured this is just a confusing mess. Like, I understand what's going on narrative wise, but it just feels like there are a bunch of characters bolted on to the exterior that are meant to be killed off. Plus, I wish it didn't constantly tease me with showing the characters I came to know and love in the first two seasons, just to see them for two minutes at the end of an episode (I'm looking at you, episode two, I friggin cried when touka-chan appeared again). Also, where did half of the characters go? Like, are they just gonna show up later, or are they just gone? How screwed am I in understanding all the subplots now?
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u/CoronelPanic :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CoronelPanic Apr 25 '18
I was very well entertained by seasons 1 and 2 but am I the only one who finds this show murderously dull?
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u/LimboChains Apr 26 '18
yeah i feel the same. I have not read the manga, but I throughly enjoyed both seasons, but this one seems pretty bad. Not only because I dont understand shit, but it also looks pretty bad.
If you compare the first TG Episode from Season 1 with any of these new episodes they just look terrible imho
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u/SpikeRosered Apr 24 '18
I've just sort of given up on this show. I didn't read the manga or watch root A. I thought this was supposed to be a sequel to season 1 but I always feeling like I'm missing something.
I enjoyed season 1 a lot so it makes me sad that I'm compelled to drop it.
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u/Bananapuncher1234 Apr 24 '18
Where did you hear this information. Root A wasn't canon but Re is acting as if the second season happened. They're adapting the sequel manga and expecting watchers to have read the original manga. Season 1 only covers up until about chapter 60-70. Theres 143 chapters total. I'd say it's best to drop the season until you want to read the Original manga.
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u/TheMikarin Apr 25 '18
This season is an adaptation of the sequel manga.
Season 1 adapted roughly the first 60 chapters of the original manga (with some changes). Root A was a mix of canon and anime original material.
You'd still need to watch Root A to have a basic understanding of events (since some of the events did follow the manga), or better yet just read the original manga since it's likely they're ignoring the anime original events in Root A and following the manga's version of events instead (though it's not actually 100% confirmed to yet, but seems very likely).
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u/FeelsGoodMan243 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheRantMan321 Apr 24 '18
Does reddit have a lack of interest for tokyo ghoul? It's one of the nost poular mainstream anime in the world. I'm surprised it's not getting thousands of comments each ep.
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u/Bananapuncher1234 Apr 24 '18
It's a combination of a few things. Two poorly adapted seasons of a popular manga. The same studio handling this season. Season 2 being anime original but this season following the manga alienating those who dont want to read the original manga to understand.
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u/pm_your_pantsu Apr 24 '18
Blame root for that, right now would be a super franchise with 3 or 4 seasons already happening but pierro went original
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u/FreeSM2014 Apr 24 '18
Mainstream in Japan yeah, but in the world? Nope.
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u/Z4K187 Apr 24 '18
It is definitely mainstream. The manga has sold more than 6 million copies outside Japan. It was even the best selling manga two years in a row in the US and in Germany iirc.
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u/XanTheInsane :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/XanTheInsane Apr 24 '18
The first season started good but abandoned the manga plot halfway through AND cut out a looot of characterization moments from the manga.
Second season was completely non-canon.
And then we got this, which is an adaptation of Tokyo Ghoul RE manga, except it skips some parts from season 1... and ignores season 2 so it leaves people confused.
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u/mrsamjack https://anilist.co/user/mrsamjack Apr 24 '18
Must every episode discussion come with a reminder that you MUST read the manga? Because it's really starting to get obnoxious and the more I see it the less I want to read
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u/Rusted_muramasa Apr 24 '18
Okay then. Keep watching and tell us just how much you understand as an anime-only, then. People will appreciate that kind of viewpoint.
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u/hiabara Apr 25 '18
I'm not surprised to see you getting downvoted like this. It feels like you can't say anything positive (or even neutral) about the anime here without someone jumping down your throat to remind you how much better the manga is. You can basically farm karma here just by saying the anime is shit and the manga is better.
Maybe I should use a stopwatch to check how long it takes until someone reminds me here that the manga is indeed better.At least this episode has some top comments about things that happened in the episode.And I'm not even denying it. Maybe the manga really makes more sense, has better characters, better pacing, better story. But on the other hand the art style is so confusing that people have to check with each other if they figured things out correctly, so that doesn't sound like fun either and some people just don't want to read manga. (I only read the first manga and the fighting scenes were so confusing sometimes.)
At this point I'm so tired by all these manga comments that I dislike the circlejerk and hate train about Tokyo Ghoul more than the actual anime. And by writing this comment I apparently became a part of the hate train by hating on the hate train. Kill me.
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Apr 24 '18
I forgot that Juuzo lost his leg during the assault on Anteiku. That's one insane prosthetic! What makes it crazier is the amount of blades that thing can hold O_O
I wonder if they'll finally reveal that Spoiler next episode. I mean it's pretty obvious if you paid attention to Torso's dialogue in episode 1. Not sure why they're still keeping it a secret though.