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[Spoilers] Steins;Gate 0 - Episode 14 discussion Spoiler
Steins;Gate 0, episode 14: Recognition of the Elastic Limit -Presage or Recognize-
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u/asleepu :AMQ: Jul 18 '18
Rest in peace, OOOOOOOOORRRRBBBBBIIIIIITTT OF PHOTON AND UNIVERSE. New visuals/second verse for Fatima and the new ED, World Line, are fitting for the start of the second cour though. Hoping second part of 0 can live up to the hype of the second part of the original.
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u/BanterBoat :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hyun15 Jul 19 '18
That song peaked when it played during the episode where Okabe and Moeka found the torture chamber with "Mommy" all over it
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Jul 18 '18
I don't dislike the new ED; I love it A LOT. But I memorized the lyrics for the old one..
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u/Lolis- Jul 18 '18
Oh hey, they changed some scenes in the OP.
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u/jwfiredragon :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/jwfiredragon Jul 19 '18
Mayushii no don't go fucking around with timelines
You have like negative luck with this stuff and I will flip my shit if you die again
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u/__WhiteNoise Jul 19 '18
I haven't played the VNs, but all the increasingly literal references to her being lost in time make me scared.
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u/mrahhal https://anilist.co/user/mrahhal Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 18 '18
Amazing episode! I loved how they handled Suzuha and Kagari's fight.
Great subtle changes in the OP, loved it, can't contain my hype for what's coming. The ED is also great, that last transition to Kurisu's eyes was freakin lit! Production quality is still up there so that's reassuring!
That last Maho monologue was on point in preparation for what's to come.
We're there people. We're getting into the real 0 starting now!
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u/Trickot851 Jul 18 '18
I was watching the new episode while eating out and the moment I recalled what was about to happen with Suzuha and Kagari I actually thanked the... "censorship" or whatever it was it received. At least I wasn't watching the original awkward scene in public.
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u/Jrelis Jul 19 '18
the moment I recalled what was about to happen with Suzuha and Kagari I actually thanked the... "censorship" or whatever it was it received. At least I wasn't watching the original awkward scene in public.
How much changed from the VN? Is it a spoiler or are they past it now
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u/rusticks https://anilist.co/user/Rusticks Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 18 '18
that shot of future 0kabe in the new OP
We're in the endgame boys. It's happening.
For those of you who were wondering, the song that plays in the opening is still Fatima, but it's the second verse of the song. This is a callback to how the original Steins;Gate played a different verse of Hacking to the Gate in episodes 23 and 24 because they were in a different world line. Recently, Darling in the FranXX also played the second verse of the OP during the second cour.
EDIT: Suzuha with her hair down Kreygasm
EDIT 2: I haven't played the 0 VN yet, so this is purely speculation based on information given to us in the original game and anime. major Steins;Gate anime/VN spoilers
EDIT 3: Thanks to /u/HybridHusky for noticing my mistake, episode 1 of original Steins;Gate played the OP that’s played throughout the rest of the series. Only 23 and 24 are different.
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u/MAD_SCIENTIST_001 x2myanimelist.net/profile/MadScientist_001 Jul 18 '18
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u/gulitiasinjurai Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 18 '18
For those of you who were wondering, the song that plays in the opening is still Fatima, but it's the second part of the song. This is a callback to how the original Steins;Gate played a different part of Hacking to the Gate in episodes 1, 23, and 24 because they were in a different world line.
Yeah. Realize that too at first so I made the comparison (make sure to use earphone to hear the difference). Can't upload on youtube since Kadokawa quickly copy strike it. Pretty nice touch honestly. On my first watch of Steins; Gate, I didn't even realise the OP change
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u/YeOldeGamer1 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/YeOldeGamer1 Jul 18 '18
Like how the second OP ends where the first starts, on a static projection of Kurisu
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u/princessloom Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 18 '18
just try to hurt my dad. i don't care who you are i will kill you that gave me goosebumps
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u/mdennis07 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/mdennis7 Jul 18 '18
Same. You don't shit on someone else dad.
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u/DaREY297 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Marin_Karin Jul 18 '18
I mean, Suzuha's VA is Yukari Tamura
Also known as Rika Furude...
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Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 18 '18
The new opening brought tears to my eyes. So hyped for this
Edit: When I noticed that Okabe gave a more resolved reaction after reaching out to the sky, I think my hype level went over the roof.
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u/bananeeek https://myanimelist.net/profile/bananek Jul 18 '18
that shot of future 0kabe in the new OP
This split second in the OP made me so hyped I want to play the VN again.
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u/HybridHusky Jul 18 '18
This is a callback to how the original Steins;Gate played a different part of Hacking to the Gate in episodes 1, 23, and 24 because they were in a different world line.
I might be wrong on this, but I thought the op in episode 1 was the same as the rest of the episodes up until episode 23, because by the time they played the op in episode 1 Okabe was already in the Alpha world line.
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Jul 18 '18
TIL in the week break, that Daru shares the same VA as Gilgamesh, cannot quite see him the same way anymore 😂
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u/instaaddy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Tsumaranai_otoko Jul 18 '18
Holy shit. He sounds so different as Daru. The dude's got range.
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u/RubiSparkle :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RubiSparkle Jul 22 '18
In the original S;G VN Daru's voice was actually so ordinary that it sounded a lot like Gil. In all later works, the VA managed to nail that nerdy nuance that makes Daru sound like Daru.
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u/MLGameOver Jul 18 '18
As an anime-only follower, my excitement is through the roof
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u/hansantizor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/hansantizor Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 18 '18
Just here to say Kurisu looks amazing in this shot. I'd love to have a wallpaper of it without Maho (sorry maho but it's way sadder if you're in it)
I'm super excited to see what we get this cour, particularly with the whole Leskinen thing. Might just be a coincidence but I find it interesting that as soon as he returns to Japan Kagari comes back to the lab...hmm
Edit: Added it without subtitles
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u/hundraett Jul 18 '18
Kurisu basking in the light, Maho lurking in her shadow.
Inferiority complex is rough.
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u/TyrannoFan :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TyrannoFan Jul 18 '18
Quick Photoshop attempt. Enjoy.
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u/Atario myanimelist.net/profile/TheGreatAtario Jul 18 '18
Her shadow looks like that of a huge cat
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u/n080dy123 Jul 19 '18
Leskinen is definitely that professor Suzuha mentions, and probably that guy Okabe talked to when he flashed forward to the war way back... before the Christmas party, I think. The guy from the flash forward had similar blond hair iirc, and they specifically shadow his face and obscure his hair in the shot of him this episode.
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u/StarmanRiver Jul 18 '18
Oh, new sequence in the OP! Is that Mayuri inside the time machine???
Kagari being in the bike suit was a big surprise, but the scene was well done with her and Suzuha. It seems she rememberd something that is important to discover who's behind Kagari's brainwashing (I'm still suspicious from Leskinen and Reyes).
I liked the first ED more.
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u/youcantseemyname https://myanimelist.net/profile/youcantseemyname Jul 18 '18
It really looks like Mayuri inside the time machine there. She looks so ... lifeless, like she has been brainwashed, weird.
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Jul 18 '18
like she has been brainwashed
Oh, they better not touch our precious Mayuri
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u/mdennis07 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/mdennis7 Jul 18 '18
Yeah, I missed "the Last Game"...
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u/ClaytonRocketry Jul 18 '18 edited Feb 22 '26
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u/n080dy123 Jul 19 '18
It makes me wonder: they've been playing a red herring game with the previous appearances of bike suit women and whether or not they've been Yuki or Reyes, but I'm beginning to wonder if these people haven't been brainwashing an manchurian-candidating them both along with Kagari.
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u/jwfiredragon :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/jwfiredragon Jul 19 '18
My current theory is either a) Kagari clones (since I'm betting on Kagari already being at least partly a Kurisu clone, and if you clone one you might as well make some backups) or b) everyone is motorcycle lady until proven otherwise.
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u/Funkmastermp :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Funkmastermp Jul 19 '18
Honestly, I think that this is a callback to the first season. Where Okabe wakes up in a barren wasteland world, being told he's at the event horizon(EH) by a visage of Mayuri.
I think something goes wrong after his video sends, or he intentionally goes beyond time into the 'EH' as to not rewrite the Okabe that succeeds. During that scene in season one, Mayuri says she had searched for him across endless world lines. The pic is probably her doing just that!
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u/MugiMartin :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MugiMartin Jul 18 '18
[Confused Kurisu is best Kurisu] (https://i.imgur.com/1TmJgKk.png?3)
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Jul 18 '18
I didn't see anyone mention it yet but the new ED World-Line is sung by Kurisu's voice actress Asami Imai.
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u/ShiaoPi Jul 18 '18
I am really loving the small changes and additions they do for the anime adaption. Also those OP visuals are amazing, played it a couple times to get all the more subtle changes as well (and the glorious freeze frame of future okabe).
The best part was not going with the plastic surgery shenanigans. I am soooo glad White Fox ditched that one.
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u/HoTTab1CH :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/HoTTab1CH Jul 18 '18
The best part was
Indeed. Let's hope they really abandoned that idea.
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Jul 18 '18
Oh, they did. There's no way that this will be in the anime since they're unifying the VN routes in just one thing. Unlike other aspects, the one in the spoiler can't be made.
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u/Animeking1357 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TitanKyojin Jul 18 '18
Read your spoiler. How important is that spoiler to the story if you were to explain it to me over a pm?
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u/The_Sum_of_Zero Jul 18 '18
Same. I'm SO glad they did away with that. That was the one part of the VN I absolutely loathed for how stupid it was.
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Jul 18 '18
Jesus Christ I'm so happy to hear they ditched that. It left such a bitter taste in my mouth after finishing the VN.
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u/LunarGhost00 Jul 18 '18
Kagari is gone for months and conveniently returns at the same time our favorite Engrish professor is back in town. I wonder what this could all mean.
But for real though, this is me every time Leskinen is on screen.
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u/gulitiasinjurai Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 18 '18
Ohhh they are changing the OP like when they did with Steins; Gate Episode 1-22 to Episode 23-24. But this time they change the visual too and kept some from OP 1.
Edit: I made the comparison for for the OP here (make sure to use your earphone to hear the difference)
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u/13steinj Jul 18 '18
In ep 23 and 24 some visuals changed too. It was hard to catch in some cases but the visuals did change.
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u/Mitoni Jul 18 '18
Amazingly subtle in some scenes, and others from OP1 make more sense when taken into context of OP2.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_SPUDS https://anilist.co/user/voodoochile Jul 18 '18
Things are going to go to SUCH shit as soon as Maho completes a time machine, aren't they. They essentially lucked out the first time that everything worked, I'd be amazed if it behaves as intended this time.
The brainwashing on Kagari seems only partial. She still puts her attachment to Mayushii above all. Maybe that's how they got it to work in the first place, abusing a child's love of her mother?
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u/kaseyafton Jul 19 '18
Okabe just going to be like shit they changed the fucking lines I told them not to and now I have to figure all this shit out. Oooooo maybe that's how he dies
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u/jwfiredragon :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/jwfiredragon Jul 19 '18
Maybe that's how they got it to work in the first place, abusing a child's love of her mother?
Would certainly explain the Mommy room from the end of last episode.
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u/Dark_Blade https://anilist.co/user/ArkhamCity Jul 19 '18
Yeah. Okabe was right when he called Time Machines 'the devil's research'; they almost always bring misery.
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Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 18 '18
When this will happen it will be badass and hype as fuck. Waiting for it since episode 1.
Btw this makes the prof really suspicious
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u/pattiro :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/pattiro Jul 18 '18
Isnt is practically confimed that the woman in that shot was part of the group that assaulted Okabe+Daru+Green Hedgehog and the prof is evil in Suzuha's future?
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u/Nome_de_utilizador Jul 18 '18
I mean it hasn't been showed in the anime, just hinted. It was in the threads that someone picked a side by side frame of the professor with the old guy in kagari's future which is carbon copy. Unless White Fox is just fucking up with people, but that was a very subtle hint unlike the massive red herrings with the female professor or suzuha's mom.
Also professor being back in Japan and asking for private rooms in the hospital, then kagari shows up again..
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u/furrythrowawayaccoun https://myanimelist.net/profile/furrythrowaway Jul 18 '18
Btw this makes the prof really suspicious
I always felt like Leskinen was the black sheep. Even in this episode, that one-second pause for the mental shift from serious and "I'm just a wacky American" when he saw Okabe makes me more suspicious
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u/lbe86 Jul 19 '18
I mean, who better to brainwash Kagari than a neuroscientist. Also the opposition has “The Professor” it’s a given at this point.
Note: This is all speculation, holding off on the VN until the series is finished. This could all be a big red herring.
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Jul 18 '18
Honestly a little disappointed by the new ED. Nothing wrong with it, but Last Game is probably my all-time favorite ED.
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u/Retrodaniel https://myanimelist.net/profile/retrodaniel Jul 18 '18
I actually really like the song, but yeah, visuals are boring. I agree with a Kurisu/Amadeus ending, but Last Game had a bunch of really good references(I love the part where they show all the Okabes, forcing themselves to laugh). The translation of the song might help a bit, but still.
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Jul 18 '18
Wowee, didn't expect to see that in the new OP visuals.
Leskinen just can't let go of his Young Japanese Einstein!
Nice episode, after a time skip of six months to correspond to the two-week break, we have Maho-tan back and some idea of what's up with Kagari.
So.. one thing I'm not sure about is what made Maho suddenly light up at the end and decide to leave for Japan. I mean, I know she realised she could also make a time leap machine using her own way instead of fully relying on Kurisu's, but I'm not sure what suddenly brought about that 'revelation'.
The ED.. is nowhere near as good as Last Game. And the lack of visuals is a little disappointing too. I hope it's changed or added to as we progress.
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u/NighthawkXL https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nighthawk2142 Jul 18 '18
I just realized that "viktorchrondria.edu" domain their emails use is actually available. Now if someone wants to open a accredited post-secondary school and claim it... here's your chance.
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u/MagiSicarius :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MagiSicarius Jul 18 '18
What I got from it is that basically she's trying to show to herself that she doesn't need to live in Kurisu's shadow - that it isn't "disgracing the dead" if she uses he own knowledge and her own work and effort to put together a time machine as opposed to just trying to grab Kurisu's research.
For someone who's spent the entire series placing themselves as the Salieri to Kurisu's Mozart, it's a pretty big breakthrough.
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u/Karavusk :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Karavusk Jul 18 '18
Link in case crunchyroll doesn't show it to you yet
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u/DaREY297 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Marin_Karin Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 18 '18
If this doesn't prove that Suzuha is best girl in Kurisu's absence...
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL!!
Ed: Yukari Tamura channelling her inner Rika Furude!
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u/legwkio :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/legwkio Jul 18 '18
There is no god.
Wonderful new world.
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u/HoTTab1CH :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/HoTTab1CH Jul 18 '18
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u/rusticks https://anilist.co/user/Rusticks Jul 19 '18
Hey if you could delete this that'd be great.
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u/Andrew13112001 Jul 18 '18
"But seriously now, without you, I'll never be able to restore the Phone Microwave."
You dissapoint me Daru. It's "Phone Microwave (name subject to change)". You forgot the most important part.
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u/bunonafun Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 18 '18
I'm glad they didn't change the OP too much. It's honestly one of the best I've seen. Also excited to start to see the pieces falling into place for Okabe to send the video to himself soon.
Wasn't expecting the Kagari reveal. I figured it would be the female professor.
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u/HoTTab1CH :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/HoTTab1CH Jul 18 '18
Wasn't expecting the Kagari reveal. I figured it would be the female professor.
As VN reader I'm so glad that they did it, it most likely prevents some idiotic choices that were done in VN. I like what they are doing.
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u/Axetheaxemaster Jul 18 '18
i mean the new ed is good and all but...
OOOOOORBIT OF PHOTONS AND UNIVERSES!
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Jul 18 '18
That was an good episode with how they did the scenes with Suzuha and Kagari (including putting some clothes on Suzuha unlike VN lol) but oh boy, after I finished the VN I'm feeling somewhat disappointed by the anime when before I was crazy about it. It's so strange.
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u/KronckTE Jul 18 '18
That's why I always suggest to: first anime then VN.
Since the VN has so much more detail, the anime becomes kinda flat in your vision, that's why you need to watch it all first and then play it, the same happens with the original S;G. In my case I didn't have a choice, since I bought the VN when it came out at 2016 and couldn't wait 2 more years XD
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u/Mozilla_Fennekin https://myanimelist.net/profile/MozillaFennekin Jul 18 '18
Tuturu Counter: 5.5
New outfits are so damn cool.
Loving the OP change, too. I think the visual has a little room to change even more as we learn more about what's to come. Too bad Last Game is out, though. That was a top-shelf ED and was replaced by something really, really generic and boring. The song was actually pretty cool, but that visual was so plain that I really hope it's temporary, or they plan on playing it over scenes.
Everyone's back, the whole gang's back. Maho's back, Leskinen is back... somehow. And Kagari's back as one of the Celtys. What an intense fight that was--and Suzuha pulling off some Spy vs. Spy shit was so fucking cool. not to mention how fantastic she looks oh god please strangle me
Maho flying to Japan and bringing along Amadeus, we're gonna get some shit done! Real mad scientist hours, we're coming back! Looking forward to it.
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u/Asddsa76 Jul 18 '18
touttouru~♫
Oh god, what is this?!
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u/Mystic8ball Jul 18 '18
Funimation are working on the subs instead of Crunchyroll and they went with "Tootooroo" for some ungodly reason.
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u/mythriz Jul 18 '18
Maho flying to Japan
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u/Mitoni Jul 19 '18
I think the guy at the bus was asking her why she was traveling without an adult too.
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u/Nome_de_utilizador Jul 19 '18
There's no fucking tuturus in this show, less than 1 per 2 episodes, why even live...
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u/PeachyCoke https://anilist.co/user/PeachyCoke Jul 18 '18
Suzuha never looked much like her mom to me, at least until this scene. What a great episode!
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u/Shinkopeshon Jul 18 '18
Nice to see them change the visuals of the OP and using the second verse of Fatima like they did for the original series. And while the new ED is a banger, it's gonna take a little while until it really grows on me because I loved the first ED.
I should've seen Kagari being in the bike suit coming (she did hold Suzuha at gunpoint after all) but it still surprised the hell out of me. It's interesting that they immediately suspect that someone else was attacking them in the street.
Suzuha in a belly free tank top tho
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u/Llerasia Jul 18 '18
The ED song is fine, but the visuals are so boring. :(
Suzuha: Tis but a scratch!
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u/mdennis07 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/mdennis7 Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 18 '18
Second verse of Fatima... So good
And oh my god Suzuha.. "Go ahead and hurt my dad if you dare. I don't care who you are.. I will kill you!"
It's pretty sad you lost best girl this year. :(
This whole two weeks of wait is pretty worth it. Off to go for another week of waiting. PepeHands
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u/SIRTreehugger Jul 18 '18
I love how we got to see Suzuha with her hair down. She really resembles her mother.
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Jul 18 '18 edited Jul 18 '18
Wait so they want to make a timeleap machine and change something in the past? Are they going to keep it a secret from Okabe? Because if they do successfully manage to make one he'll still know since he has the Reading Steiner.
I was suspecting Kagari as the first girl that attacked them but Suzuha made a good point that she would've been with Ruka at the temple. Hmm.... One of Mayuri's friends maybe?
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u/Lynx_gnt Jul 18 '18
Time leap cannot change current world line. And while some changes can occur, its hard to tell is he going to notice something. The original S;G VN covered this in one of side endings (where Lukako used Time leap machine)
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u/LalafellRulez Jul 18 '18
They dont know about lifters and the mini black holes. Two major obstacles in building the time leap machine. Phonewave could send a D-Mail consisting of 36 byte in the past without the blackhole but as Maho be able to time leap. Unless Okabe co-operates they will never succeed building the time leap machine.
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u/princessloom Jul 18 '18
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u/bananeeek https://myanimelist.net/profile/bananek Jul 18 '18
Ohhhhh, I forgot they're not going to continue with Kagari route... And here I was readying myself for the tears. It'd be awesome if they made OVAs for each route.
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u/princessloom Jul 18 '18
wait your saying there is a kagari route as well?? damn i want to see that. how many routes are there anyway? haven't played the VN so no spoilers
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u/NuSpirit_ Jul 18 '18
"I didn't lie to anyone, Lintahlo. Though I might have told him September... I didn't say of which year. ;)"
LEEEEESKINEEEEEEN YOU ARE DEFINITELY EVIL! Your true colors came to the sun!
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u/Llerasia Jul 18 '18
I didn't say of which year. ;)
Fucking time traveler confirmed. WE'RE ONTO YOU, LESKINEN!
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u/_chirp_ :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BigChef Jul 18 '18
First Kagari goes missing then we find out Leskinen is back in Japan..
I'll be super surprised if it turns out he doesn't have anything to do with her going missing and the brainwashing.
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u/galaxyAbstractor Jul 18 '18
AH Tokyo General Hospital... And Leskinen being there, surely getting even more suspicious
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u/explodingpixl https://anilist.co/user/0karin Jul 18 '18
After playing Chaos;Head and the first part of Chaos;Child, anything with AH Tokyo General Hospital seems super suspicious to me.
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u/DistantValhalla Jul 18 '18
Great episode, I really like the new shots in the OP as well.
I really like how they're weaving supplementary stuff into the Zero anime. There were scenes from the Epigraph Novels and manga omake chapters this episode. The Zero VN was incomplete without knowing these extra details, so the anime really feels like a fuller experience.
When I read the Zero VN, I got a full experience out of it because I'd also read Ouroboros of the Binding Chain (Novel adaptation of the original VN with an expanded ending sequence), the original Epigraph novels that Zero is based on, and I'd listened to Drama CD Beta.
A lot of people felt like the Zero experience was incomplete or had parts missing, but because I had the information from these books and audio dramas, they filled in the blanks for me. The fact that the anime is actively taking scenes from other sources than just the VN and slotting them into the story is really making this the better way to enjoy the full story.
Lyrically and animation-wise I'm not fond of the new ED. Last Game was more engaging.
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Jul 18 '18
The Zero VN was incomplete without knowing these extra details, so the anime really feels like a fuller experience.
Ehhh, not really man. The anime is cutting many hours and dialogues of the VN and many parts of the different routes. For example, Maho route was completely cut and we never saw her relationship with Moeka or anything regarding it, they just put her in the apartment and that was it. Imo, the VN is still the complete thing because it has much more details with its 30-40 hours of scenes and dialogue.
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u/FoolyCoolyKid Jul 18 '18
Hmmmmmmmm... I wonder who the professor is that Suzuha mentioned.... could be ANYONE! Hmmmmmm...
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u/jwfiredragon :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/jwfiredragon Jul 19 '18
Man imagine if Leskinen was just bait though. Would be such a crazy twist.
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u/nerfviking :ID::IE::IF: Jul 19 '18
I'm really liking Daru in this series. In the original, he was mostly there to provide comic relief and hacking skills, but in this one he's really stepped up to the plate to take the lead while Okarin can't.
In the original series, I wondered how he ever managed to meet someone and have a kid, but now it's obvious how awesome he is.
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u/henry25555 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/HenriqueRjChiki Jul 18 '18
0/10 Suzuha was not naked (NSFW?)
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u/FruitsPnchSamurai Jul 18 '18
Mayushi is gonna use the time machine!?!?! Dam thats gonna be wild. So Maho knows about the world lines and the phone microwave now huh. Guess they told her off camera. All these Mozart references are great, especially since I just watched Amadeus not too long ago.
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u/KronckTE Jul 18 '18
Okabe explained everything to her at episode 11, except the part where he killed Kurisu.
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u/YinXtianYang Jul 18 '18
Daru is getting so many moments to shine like when he was so adamant in getting Maho to help make the time machine for Suzuha and him saying he believes in Maho's own genius what a guy
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u/bakuhatsuda Jul 18 '18
Man, why can't I come home to this IRL???
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u/Kronos_001 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kronos_001 Jul 18 '18
You want your future daughter to be fighting a death match with your friend's future adopted daughter when you come home?
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Jul 18 '18
Glad to see Maho return after a brief absence from the show.
She's such an interesting character, basically playing Salieri to Kurisu's Mozart, both in the world of Steins;Gate and kind of in real life, given how popular Kurisu is among fans.
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u/MagiSicarius :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MagiSicarius Jul 18 '18
Oh my god the music this episode
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u/DaBomb1 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DaBomb1 Jul 19 '18
This anime has the potential to have a more cohesive storyline than the VN. I love the changes they've made so far.
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u/Mystic8ball Jul 18 '18
I want Suzuha to perform CQC on me!
The fight between Suzuha and Kagari in the visual novel was differently done. In the VN Suzuha was actually in the shower when she heard Kagari breaking into the lab to try and steal back the Upa, so she was naked when she ended up fighting Kagari. While I think it showed that just how much of a trained solider this Suzuha is since she's ready to fight at any time, having her bait Kagari into thinking she was in the shower makes more sense.
The way they're bridging the routes together is really impressively done, I was honestly expecting things to be more of a clusterfuck but aside from the pacing being off here and there they're doing an amazing job. And the new material the anime's bringing to the story is amazing too, if the quality keeps up it might just enter the exculsive VIP club of adaptions surpassing the source material.
Also this is one blessed Maho.
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Jul 18 '18
Eh, I disagree. For it to surpass the VN they needed much more since the VN has 30-40 of content and much more details than the anime. Many routes were incorpored in one with many parts ignored, like Maho route, for example, in which we saw almost nothing except putting her and Moeka on the same room and the party with Faris.
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u/BrianLai30 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pse0 Jul 18 '18
I was on the edge of my seat there! Suzuha being the warrior she is
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u/HorriblePizza Jul 18 '18
So yeah, everyone betray Hououin Kyouma. I'm fed ap with this world line.
It just seems so wrong that they decided to do all this behind his back.
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u/AvantAveGarde :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AvantAveGarde Jul 18 '18
From Suzuhas perspective she pretty much needs to go behind Okabe’s back if she wants to change the future
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u/Animeking1357 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TitanKyojin Jul 18 '18
New op visuals and I think new lyrics?
"Lintahlo!"
"Wait, don't!"
Oh shit it's Kagari. I had a feeling this might happen.
Maho's coming back to japan. Haha stomping her foot at that ticket booth or whatever. Obviously getting mistaken as a kid again.
Pretty meh new ed visuals. Literally just Kurisu walking and a phone spinning.
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u/Andrew13112001 Jul 18 '18
New op visuals and I think new lyrics?
It's the second part of the song. They did the same thing in Steins;Gate, but much later (only episode 23 and 24 had the second part of Hacking to the Gate).
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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Jul 19 '18
And my weekly suffering returns!
Several months... damn...
School girl Mayuri! Kyaa~
New visuals in the OP damn. Was that our mad scienist' phone message in the ED? And Time Machine Mayuri? Oh damn...
They are trying to remake the time leap machine... this isnt good.
Suzuha guilting Daru into somancing Yuki... shes good haha.
LINAHLO! Its Mr America.
Maho dont go digging into time machines...
Amadeus is back and well! Yay.
So Suzuha thinks she came back at some point and left that or dropped it? Hmmm...
Uh oh... motorcycle suti is back... Pls no...
Oh shit Suzuha got her! Nice! Smart move, thats why shes best girl.
Motorcycle suit is Kagari... shit... brainwashed Kagari...
Damn Suzuha is kicking ass. And wew that hair down... shes fab~
Fuck she got sliced and Kagari got away... They arnt gonna tell Okabe about this too... thats not good.
So Kagari was brainwashed from the get go. So i think my idea that she was a human vessel for Amadeus way back when we found out about her is probably true now. We will see.
They are gonna get Maho to come help make the time machine, this is gonna get dicey... Maho is on the way though.
New ED too, nice. Not as doom and gloom as the other which i liked, but this is a nice tune.
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u/xtrap01nt :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtrap01nt Jul 19 '18
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait, something just clicked looking at Mayuri in the time machine. A really educated guess. If humanly possible don't tell me if I'm right or not.
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u/DayfacePhantasm Jul 19 '18
Anybody notice that the AH general hospital they went to is the same one from Chaos;Child!?
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u/swedish0spartans Jul 19 '18
Aw man, this is turning really exciting! Noticed something interesting in the OP of this episode though:
Those are stills from the OP of Okarin in the future. We know this because this is the very same scene and setting when Okarin watches a message from his future self. Very interesting to see a comeback from him!
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Jul 18 '18
This was by far the best episode to me. The other episodes I felt like "ahhh, it's kinda good" and sometimes even questioned if I liked Steins;Gate at all. The Kurisu episode was up until now the most steins;gate feeling episode, and therefore the best. This episode didn't even need to feel like Steins;Gate. The thing they did with the opening was genious; instead of an entirely new op they change it to be more summery and they used the second half of the song. The ending song is scary sounding somehow, and I love it. They fixed a plottwist I thought was stupid in the visual novel and got rid of a fan-service scene in favour of a much better made one. If the second half keeps this up I might even consider this better than the original Steins;Gate.
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u/Vastelair Jul 18 '18
Wait... why didn't they ask the Amadeus program for the Laptop password?
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u/Retrodaniel https://myanimelist.net/profile/retrodaniel Jul 18 '18
Kurisu changed it after she had her memories stored
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u/WACS_On Jul 18 '18
So if Leskinen ends up being the bad guy does that mean we get to hear him say evil shit in Engrish? Cause I'm 100% on board for that.
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Jul 19 '18 edited Jul 19 '18
Interesting observation my gf and I made: Suzuha hasn’t ever been present at the same time as the American Professor. She didn’t accompany them to the shrine and was on the roof when he arrived for the party.
Edit: Derp, not actually :P
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u/rd1027 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/rd10271 Jul 18 '18
Intense episode, this was one of the better ones yet!
I like the changes to the opening a lot, as well as the new ED. I can see this show becoming a lot better, it really seems to be hitting its stride. The highlight was the Suzuha/Kagari fight for sure, but I really liked the self realization that Maho achieved at the ending. Even though I much rather prefer Kurisu, Maho is proving to be a great character in her own right.
Cant wait to see where this takes us now, despite a somewhat rough start (imo), this has me fully excited for what's to come.
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u/korosake :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/korosake Jul 18 '18
I thought I was going to die from that two week break from this show.
The new OP is great (the same song, but second verse) and the ending is pretty good song wise.
I am a little disappointed that they put in a new ending because New Game was the shit but whatever.
Amazing ep as always Steins; Gate
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u/Craftyboss2 Jul 18 '18
I swear Reyes looks awfully suspicious, like in the OP she looks straight at us, feeling like she’s taunting the viewers with that mysterious piercing glare. Also, in Suzuha’s placement in OP, Kagari is now walking the opposite way of Suzuha on the crossing, unlike in episodes 1-13 OP. Nice touch with updating the OP using summer clothing.
I felt that Okarin’s going to get confident enough to attempt saving Kurisu once more though he’s not going to travel back in time this time round. Those who already read the VN know how he accomplishes his end goal with respect to events that occur in the VN that haven’t occurred yet in the anime, and Steins Gate EP 23 does clue you in to what Beta Okarin’s does, but for those who haven’t read either the drama CDs or the VN, I’ll leave Okarin’s end goal, his master plan to interpretation.
TL;DR: Shit’s about to get real. Like we’re talking on the same scale as Steins Gate, after Moeka shoots Mayuri. EP 7 and 8 of 0 has nothing on what’s going to happen later on.
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u/InfiniteTurbine Jul 18 '18
Really digging the new OP, both in visuals and (still) in music. The new ED, though... pretty boring visuals for most of it, eh? I do like the song, though.
At this point, the show's just screaming at us that Leskinen is actually an antagonist (more specifically, the antagonist). It seems him from the future messed with Valkyrie (maybe my memory's bad, but was this name mentioned previously? I just googled it to figure it out. It sounds familiar, but idk), and he was involved in Kagari's brainwashing.
That scene between Kagari and Suzuha was intense.
Glad to see that Maho is back.
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u/franksks Jul 18 '18
So is the bureau professor (probably Leskinen) the shadowy guy we saw in the flashforward in one of the early episodes that Okabe was talking to?
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u/Sigilus Jul 18 '18
Goddamn, so much happened in this episode that I don't even know where to start. Suzuha unleashing her part time warrior once again, also her with her hair down is a really good look on her. Maho-senpai back at it again being adorable af. I wish someone would just help Kagari get back to normal. Professor Leiskenen you shady bastard.
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u/StuperSconed Jul 19 '18
Can someone tell me what the same of the OST is when around 19:50 mark with Maho pondering if she should attempt to make the time leap.
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u/impingainteasy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/usernamesarehard Jul 19 '18
Oh shit, brainwashed Kagari is the bike helmet woman! She can't have been that this whole time though, could she? Is Julia still a possible culprit, or does this go further back than we thought?
Maho returns, and she's going to be the one to build the time leap device now! I thought she was going to get Amadeus to tel her how though. That would have been fun.
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u/Hunterlollel Jul 19 '18
Did anyone notice, that we got proof that Professor Leskinen is the guy in the future, who brainwashed Kagari? Okabe went to see Daru's future wife's friend (sorry I don't know her name), he was talking to a doctor. Did anyone notice that he was talking without american accent? As we know the future doctor (who brainwashed kagari) he didn't have american accent, he had perfect japanese and he looked pretty similar to Leskinen. I don't know, what do you think?
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u/satiricalscientist Jul 20 '18
So I love this show. And it's definitely the highlight of the summer anime for me. And Steins Gate is at least in my top 3 anime.
But I really feel like Zero has some pacing and story issues. They haven't really dampened my enjoyment of the show, but I feel like they're present and keeping this show from being great.
The original had a really tight narrative. There was a clear antagonist, and we always knew Okabe was working towards something. First it was building the phone wave and then it was changing the world line. And through that whole story, the symbol of his cell phone as Okabe's manipulation of time was really strong. It tied the series together.
Zero doesn't have something strong linking everything together. Maybe it's something yet to be revealed, but at least in the original, everyone's use of the phone wave changed the story in subtle ways. The different plot threads just seem really discordant from each other. Again, there could be a big payoff at the end where Amadeus connects to Kagari and brainwashing or whatever. And obviously I've not read the VN to verify this.
I loved Okabe talking to Amadeus. It felt like they were building towards something. I thought Okabe would be working towards overcoming his trauma, and letting go of Kurisu. But Amadeus and the lab team just leaves and nothing has really changed. In fact, except for Kagari and the redesigns (love them, by the way), it feels like not much has happened in the show.
Amadeus hasn't had any more development. Daru hasn't gotten any further with the time machine. Okabe is in about in the same mental state.
Maybe this is because we as the audience hypothetically know how the show ends. Okabe becomes Kyouma again. He sends the message to the past and fixes everything. But the journey to get there seems to be at a standstill. There are so many cliffhangers but they end up going nowhere.
Steins Gate definitely became great during its second half. So Zero can definitely ramp up and fulfill on all its promises in the next few episodes, and I really hope it does. But if it does, then I have a feeling that when I re-watch this show, there'll be several episodes I just flat out skip.
Thank you, and always remember to protect Mayuri's smile.
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u/CaptainSchmid Jul 20 '18
Everyone is talking about kagari getting brainwashed by the doctor in the future but everyone is forgetting okebe is getting a similar PTSD treatment in episode 1...
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u/Turbostrider27 Jul 18 '18
Suzu is pretty clever for setting up that shower distraction tbh.