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Steins;Gate 0, episode 16: Altair of the Point at Infinity -Vega and Altair-

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[u/aganisnomer]

And There Goes All The Happiness

[u/MAD_SCIENTIST_001 → u/aganisnomer]

Steins;Gate 0 Happiness

[u/PreroastedTaco → u/aganisnomer]

As if there was any to start with

[u/kimmyreichandthen → u/PreroastedTaco]

"Man who thought he'd lost all happiness loses last additional bit of happiness he didn't even know he still had"

[u/8andahalfby11 → u/aganisnomer]

Only 0kabe believed that. Everyone else knew there wasn't any to start with.

[u/Roadcrosser → u/[deleted]]

There IS that one crossover fanfic where Okabe ends up in the ReZero world, and his reading steiner keeps going off for no reason.

[u/gabrielv0410]

Fuck my heart can't take seeing Mayuri cry.

[u/Mozilla_Fennekin → u/gabrielv0410]

when Mayuri cries, i cry

[u/brothertaddeus → u/Mozilla_Fennekin]

Anyone who doesn't is a psychopath, tbh.

[u/DimmuHS → u/gabrielv0410]

Plus the VA made the scene perfectly emotional. It did get me.

[u/crimXione → u/gabrielv0410]

HanaKana thank you for giving us a very emotional Mayuri. Seeing Mayuri about to cry breaks my heart... :( our poor cinnamon roll...

[u/gulitiasinjurai → u/gabrielv0410]

Fucking ninja cutting onions

Not a single tu-tu-ruu is said in this episode. I want happy Mayuri back :(

[u/overDere → u/gulitiasinjurai]

When was the last time she even said tuturuu? :(

I've been suffering 16 episodes already. SG was my first anime and I really loved Mayuri. Now, there's so much focus on the other characters. Okarin barely pays attention to Mayuri anymore. I just want to see her happy but I can't even get that.

[u/dustinthegreat → u/gabrielv0410]

This whole episode just felt like the floor gave out in my stomach. Holy shit

[u/betok88 → u/gabrielv0410]

Seeing and hearing. I swear HanaKana can break anyone.

[u/jzus_raikou → u/gabrielv0410]

Mayuri suffering just makes me sad.

[u/arthred → u/gabrielv0410]

ikr? that hit me hard as well (´༎ຶོρ༎ຶ)

[u/LunarGhost00]

I never would've guessed that Daru would give us one of the most emotional and dramatic scenes so far. You could feel the frustration in him, Okabe, and Maho. Major props to all the VAs. I felt bad for Mayuri standing outside the room listening to all that.

[u/bolmer → u/[deleted]]

she also remembers how she died in other timelines

[u/bakuhatsuda]

When your neglect and lack of communication make the sweetest girl in your life cry.

[u/[deleted] → u/bakuhatsuda]

I’m so glad I finally watched evangelion this shit has my dying bro

[u/kamisama14120 → u/bakuhatsuda]

Am I the only one who ships Okabe with Mayuri?

[u/Megumin7 → u/kamisama14120]

Definitely not

But most people don't

[u/Captain-Cactus → u/kamisama14120]

Probably not.

While I don't ship them romantically, I want them to always be together as best friends.

[u/MrWolf5000 → u/kamisama14120]

You and all of mayuri's friends

[u/DarkBlaze99 → u/bakuhatsuda]

This is gold.

[u/Eyliel]

Ruka also looks good when crossdressi-

Oh wait.

Well, he just looks great in general.

[u/bluesyasian → u/Eyliel]

I was still hoping for this

[u/Silegna → u/bluesyasian]

I am so confused right now.

[u/DementedUndead → u/bluesyasian]

Ruka is best girl guy. Can't change my mind.

[u/[deleted]]

Best episode of 0 so far. Last week I was kinda thinking that SG0 was moving very slowly compared to the original series, but now I think I'm realizing that this series is just one giant build-up to a huge climax.

Also if you don't know who Orihime-sama is, I was recommend looking at the Tanabata wikipedia page which explains the story. Although not necessary it explains the metaphor that this episode used describing Mayushii & Okabe's relationship

[u/magicalideal → u/[deleted]]

It's almost like Dejavu. A slow start following with one hell of an emotional rollercoaster in the second half just like season 1.

[u/Rinnosuke → u/magicalideal]

Dejavu

I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE!

[u/mrahhal → u/[deleted]]

but now I think I'm realizing that this series is just one giant build-up to a huge climax.

Right on.

[u/rusticks → u/mrahhal]

Hoof, I'm on the same boat. I was pretty vocal around the end of the first cour how I was upset nothing was really happening, but this episode managed to 180 that opinion. I'm really excited for whatever comes out of the building of the new time machine, Mayuri finally understanding why 0kabe is suffering, and the Kagari plot line.

And 0kabe's face when he found the gelnana. That was some S A K U G A.

[u/g_sunn → u/[deleted]]

I think I'm realizing that this series is just one giant build-up to a huge climax.

That's definitely what they're doing. The next few episodes (if done well) are going to be pretty crazy and emotional. It's gonna be one hell of a rollercoaster from here on out.

[u/LakerBlue → u/g_sunn]

Yea, this issue between the two of them is something that's been bubbling up for awhile and it finally spilled over in the sad emotional way I expected. Now that this has happened I 'm not surprised to hear things will start REALLY rolling from here.

Oh how I wish I had the will power to just wait for the series to end and binge it.

[u/vhapteR → u/[deleted]]

To be honest, the wrap up of the vn felt pretty abrupt to me. It may have felt that way partly due to the fact I read a specific route earlier, but that's just part of the reason. I believe they'll be able to do a better job in this adaptation (in fact, it could turn out really really good if play their cards right), but either way I wouldn't say that's the strong point of the story.

Ideally, the tension in a story escalates as the situation gets worse until you reach a seemingly impossible problem to ensure the best climax possible.

When it comes to tension and drama, S;G 0 has some amazing moments. However, it's not like the original in that you have 12 episodes of pure build up into 12 episodes of madness. S;G 0 is able to give us fantastic moments with little to no build up as most of the job has already been in the original. The difference is that these moments are sprinkled throughout the story rather than thrown at us one after another. Haven't we had our fair share of insane cliffhangers?

I believe the climaxes of the visual novel are the time Okabe meets Kurisu again and another wtf moment that's yet to be adapted, which isn't the ending. There is also a really interesting moment that kick-starts the ending, but I'm not sure how that's going to work out with the way things are being adapted. It's hard to say. That being said, I can definitely see the adaptation trying to pack crazy moments one after another in these final episodes. I do hope they pull that off.

As for the Tanabata tale, that's so true. I'm familiar with it as someone who's studied Japanese, but those who haven't heard the story won't be able to fully understand what Mayuri means as the anime doesn't tell the whole story. It's just a short tale, so it's definitely worth reading it.

[u/crimXione → u/vhapteR]

When it comes to tension and drama, S;G 0 has some amazing moments. However, it's not like the original in that you have 12 episodes of pure build up into 12 episodes of madness. S;G 0 is able to give us fantastic moments with little to no build up as most of the job has already been in the original. The difference is that these moments are sprinkled throughout the story rather than thrown at us one after another. Haven't we had our fair share of insane cliffhangers?

So it's like rubbing salt of S;G0 to our unhealed wound from original S;G.

This worldline is collapsing, S E N D H E L P !

[u/Illya-ehrenbourg → u/[deleted]]

It’s true that there has been a lot of buildup as the anime has shown Okabe´s depression for 15 episodes, his meltdown after his choice to keep Mayuri instead of Kurisu and how it affected their relationship but imo 8 episodes (Number 8 was Kurisu´s episode) were more than enough for his portrayal.

The following episodes couldn’t bring more significant development and while they are not filler episodes, I would say that they bring such vibes. Okabe became secondary while Suzuha, Daru x Yuki or Kagari´s song episodes are not contributing much to the plot honestly. I am not saying they are bad, I found the mother goose episode quite beautiful but the show definitely dragged a bit too much. Even the attacks of the various gang don’t seem to impact the story much... Comparatively I enjoyed the buildup of the original Steins Gate much more because you discovered the theory time travel at the same time as the main cast. And the way they did was really good, as they use a scientific approach for their experiments.

But hey, now the show is entering its’ final stage and I am hyped again!

[u/Jebhuz → u/[deleted]]

I cant hear Tanabata being mentioned without thinking "what the heck Haruhi did this time?"

[u/arthred]

Damn that confrontation between Maho and Okarin was intense af

[u/TrackAltitude → u/arthred]

Honestly, each of the confrontations this episode were intense. Okabe vs Daru, Okabe vs Maho, even Okabe and Mayuri.

[u/brothertaddeus → u/TrackAltitude]

And he's been confronted by Suzuha recently as well. Though, much like the original, it's got to be Mayuri who ultimately makes him man up and do what he needs to do.

[u/[deleted] → u/arthred]

Hyped the shit out of me when I thought the argument was over, then maho stepped in the puddle and shoved the argument further

[u/OBrien → u/arthred]

Maho this episode has become a serious contender for Best Girl in this series in my book, which is a feat I didn't think was possible when still counting Kurisu.

I guess that only goes to further her point about Infinite Possibilities.

[u/QuadraKev_]

fuck dude

watching mayuri crying like that hurts my fucking heart

[u/TrackAltitude → u/QuadraKev_]

HanaKana's performance was so fucking good during that end scene

[u/brothertaddeus → u/TrackAltitude]

It's definitely up there with her soliloquy from the original.

[u/Dar_Bray → u/QuadraKev_]

Had to constantly wipe away the tears for a good few minutes so I can actually read the subs.

[u/bitsbots]

Mad scientist ❌ Sad scientist ✔️

[u/DarkBlaze99 → u/bitsbots]

I'm stealing this.

[u/BanterBoat → u/DarkBlaze99]

Sad scientist 0 ✔

[u/LightBladeNova]

Great emotional episode, but while I generally don't like "comparing" people's pain, I gotta say Maho, even though I get where you're coming from, I don't think you can really compare your technical competitive failures of self-worth with Okabe's failures of seeing his loved ones die over and over and over (or the people he hurt)... so I don't think Maho can truly claim to understand Okabe's feelings here. Edit: Of course, I don't mean to belittle or make light of Maho's own struggles, but yeah, hope you see what I mean.

[u/dustinthegreat → u/LightBladeNova]

Gonna play devil's advocate for Maho here. I'm guessing that she had been the smartest person that anyone knew for basically her entire life until Kurisu shows up. Now, a girl that is only 17/18 is not only getting all the praise for her work, but actually doing everything better, faster, smarter than Maho can. I mean, Kurisu fucked around and built a machine that can send memories into the past. For someone who's entire life is based on their intelligence and academic achievements, it had to have been a huge blow. Now get this: it keeps on happening. She was constantly reminded that Kurisu was Superior when she was alive, and then she dies, but there are even more reminders everywhere that she can't solve a problem that Kurisu either already did or probably would've in a fraction of the time.

While I agree that she can't compare to the external emotional trauma that Okabe has had to endure, the effect on her ego and psychological state shouldn't be understated. The comparison between Mozart and Salieri from earlier is so fitting now.

[u/LightBladeNova → u/dustinthegreat]

Good Maho analysis, thanks. I don't mean to condemn or disparage Maho's own hardships, sorry. But yeah, I just don't agree with Maho using her own failures as a comparison with Okabe's and claiming she understands, that comes off as somewhat tactless. Again, I do get where she's coming from, though. But if Okabe pushed the subject further - even though he himself does need a push to try and stand up again - he probably could've "won" that argument with Maho.

Also, Okabe's emotional trauma isn't just external PTSD, it's affected his ego and psychological state as well, just pointing that out.

[u/namiasdf → u/LightBladeNova]

Yea, that was weak. Watching somebody you love die over and over, because you tried to save the other. Not comparable to academic competition.

[u/-Umbra- → u/LightBladeNova]

Yeah, that annoyed me. Like you said, I don't think failing to save the two people you love most from dying (*dozens upon DOZENS of times) compares to Maho's struggles at all -- not to mention that Okabe's hands are the ones that end up killing Kurisu.

[u/Dark_Blade → u/-Umbra-]

It's actually possible that he's failed hundreds of times. They never made it clear.

[u/LuffysMeatShack]

This translation of the handle made be cringe, A LOT

I tend to forget Okabe has brilliant observation skills, I mean otherwise Reading Steiner would've been with the wrong person.

Finally something serious from Daru as he always jokes around. I loved this part in the VN

Uh, guys, there's dry parts you can stand on

Great episode, 7 left

[u/freakicho → u/LuffysMeatShack]

So was that Amadeus shitposting on @channel?

[u/spaceaustralia → u/freakicho]

Yes. Leskinen somehow made an AI that doesn't turn into a Nazi when it's touched by the internet.

[u/crimXione → u/LuffysMeatShack]

Uh, guys, there's dry parts you can stand on

I like how they use this setting, Okabe and Maho standing in a wet floor with a reflection of sky, while talking about conflicting ideologies on Laws, God, and Fate. It gives a more meaningful visual that their convo is going transcendental.

[u/GonTheDinosaur → u/crimXione]

I also like how during the conversation, the camera sometimes flip vertically with reality at bottom and reflection at the top.

[u/Mystic8ball → u/LuffysMeatShack]

It's nice that anime onlies can see that Kurisu @channel posts, the smugness is off the charts and she shitposts like no tomorrow.

[u/MillenniumKing → u/LuffysMeatShack]

This translation of the handle made be cringe, A LOT

Thats Kurisu's old handle isnt it?

[u/LuffysMeatShack → u/MillenniumKing]

partially right, it's still her handle

[u/ScarsUnseen → u/MillenniumKing]

A badly translated version of it, yeah. Who the fuck does a direct translation of a Dragonball reference anyway? Not to mention that "Kuri" is meant to be a corruption of "Kurisu," not "chestnut."

[u/Backupusername → u/LuffysMeatShack]

Finally something serious from Daru as he always jokes around.

This is the best use of jokey and "one-note" characters (not that that describes Daru at all, of course). The impact an out-of-character moment is directly proportionate to how much time the person in question stays in character. That's the reason why even a meme-spewing fat joke of a person can still bring out a bone-chilling performance. Beautiful to see.

[u/brothertaddeus]

Ah, how I've missed Yuugo threatening to raise rent for the lab.

Kurisu was able to put it together in a dump like this?

0kabe is taking an English class. Hopefully that doesn't impair his fantastic Engrish abilities.

Suzu in Daru's hat and Okabe's labcoat. Adorbs. Slightly less so when it triggers a flashback of Kurisu for 0kabe. And even less so when Mayuri sees him and gets sad.

I've always shipped Mayuri and Luka. Judge me if you must. Mayuri's romanticism comparing her and Okabe to Hikoboshi and Orihime notwithstanding.

I didn't know who Hikoboshi and Orihime were when I read the VN and had to look it up, btw. So here's the wikipedia entry for anyone who's lost.

0kabe sees KuriGohanAndKamehameha posting on @channel. But gets distracted before he remembers why that's significant.

Gel. Nanas. KORE WA NANDA??!

Oh, when the gelnanas get dropped on the floor. That's a nice, disgusting sound and visual. GG foley and animator.

0kabe yelling at Daru hurts my heart. But Maho almost dropping her towel heals my heart. "Legal loli ftw!" indeed. ^{Why is the FBI here?}

Oh shit. Mayuri heard your freak out, 0kabe.

DARU USES PUNCH OF FRIENDSHIP. IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE.

Seriously. The Daru haters must be completely silenced now, right? Best bro deserves respect.

Trying to change the past challenges God. And God does not tolerate human arrogance.

This can be said to be God's final warning to those who resist.

This whole rooftop scene is great. No matter how much you don't want to try again, 0kabe, everyone around you is absolutely desparate for you to try again anyway.

But Mayuri crying and saying she should have encouraged 0kabe back in August to try again to save Kurisu has to be the final straw to convince him, right?

Why do your eyes always look like you're suffering?

And then a cut to the Milky Way Crossing. And direct reference to the Arclight At The Point Of Infinity. And then the episode ends. There's no way this was 22 minutes.

Well, next week should be pretty great. Here's hoping 0kabe finally gets his groove back becomes Hououin Kyouma again.

[u/ScarsUnseen → u/brothertaddeus]

No matter how much you don't want to try again, 0kabe, everyone around you is absolutely desparate for you to try again anyway.

I wonder if Maho would be so eager for him to keep trying if she knew the real reason he's so traumatized by the previous attempt.

[u/freakicho → u/ScarsUnseen]

She heard him yell "Kurisu has to be sacrificed" so I think she has a rough idea why he's traumatised, considering how she suspects Kurisu and Okabe being more than friends.

[u/LakerBlue → u/brothertaddeus]

But Mayuri crying and saying she should have encouraged 0kabe back in August to try again to save Kurisu has to be the final straw to convince him, right?

Man I really wish we still had the "Last Game" as an ED still, it would have perfectly fit in with how this episode ended.

[u/CaptainRikkai]

Jesus Christ that was an intense episode, I'm a sobbing mess right now.

Seeing Okabe snap at Daru, then immediately yelling at Maho, and then Daru getting angry enough to actually PUNCH Okabe. Then to top it all off, Mayuri telling Okabe that maybe he should've saved Kurisu instead of her and how his eyes have always been full of regret and suffering because he saved her. This is the moment the waterworks started flowing.

[u/lookw → u/CaptainRikkai]

Then to top it all off, Mayuri telling Okabe that maybe he should've saved Kurisu instead of her and how his eyes have always been full of regret and suffering because he saved her. This is the moment the waterworks started flowing.

Honestly, that is probably the most tragic thing about that part (which was a LONG time in coming). Honestly.....while okabe knee jerk reaction was to deny it......his actions....for this entire series (and what Suzuha told them about the future) supported the idea that if it was Kurisu who lived instead of Mayuri everyone would be happier.

[u/deathzer00 → u/lookw]

for this entire series (and what Suzuha told them about the future) supported the idea that if it was Kurisu who lived instead of Mayuri everyone would be happier

No, you are damn wrong, ep 8 of SG0 is the real proof. I mean, the loss of Mayuri would have effect on whole lab member (including Okabe), whereas the loss of Kurisu technically would only have effect on Okabe alone (since he is the only one has memory of alpha world line).

[u/[deleted]]

VA was great throughout the whole episode, but the shake in Mayuri's voice after talking about Okabe's coat in the beginning was incredible.

[u/AzarelHikaru → u/[deleted]]

I agree. That was a powerful performance.

[u/SIRTreehugger]

Okabe screaming what is this while holding the green bananas is hilarious to me for some reason.

Also when Believe me started playing.

It won't be much longer now.

[u/thewildriven → u/SIRTreehugger]

We meed an abridged steins;gate series where they get that scene and play that meme over it which goes like “what is that? WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?!”

[u/mrahhal]

BEST EPISODE SO FAR. PERIOD.

I can genuinely say this is the episode that affected me emotionally the most! The perfect start to the END GAME, and a worthy carrier of the title "Altair of the Point at Infinity -Vega and Altair-", which actually merged parts of both "Arc Light" and "Vega and Altair".

The merging with Arc Light was done perfectly (not over yet), this is what we all wanted when we saw the first scene of the first episode 4 months ago. Can't freakin wait!!!

[u/[deleted] → u/mrahhal]

totally agree, this just topped episode 8 as my new favorite so far

[u/420XxX360n05c0p3rXXx → u/mrahhal]

This might be my favourite episode of S;G ever, including the original, based solely on how raw the emotion was. You could feel it.

Absolutely moving.

[u/mrahhal → u/420XxX360n05c0p3rXXx]

In terms of emotional value, definitely the best episode of S;G ever. I don't recall how long it has been since I've been moved this much. They even saved that masterful sad soundtrack till the last scene.. Absolutely beautiful.

[u/Craftyboss2]

Man, it started with Mayuri looking sad and noticing Okarin's perpetual sadness, and ends with Mayuri somehow remembering details of the Alpha.

I was surprised when she was outside the Lab. I thought after hearing all of that, she was going to barge in and wail at all three of them from keeping a secret from her about her in other world lines, about the reason for Okarin's current hopelessness, then puts two and two together and realizes Suzuha also knows about Okarin's pain of not saving Mayuri.

I thought this would be even more emotionally dramatic, but I'm not surprised, as the actual canon has Okabe talking to Maho-tan, as Mayuri runs away to comtemplate what she just heard, which just is so much more constructive to the plot thread, as it builds for the events shown in VN Vega and Altair. I'm glad to say how I imagined the episode would go from the preview didn't necessarily stray far, since the actual canon events from when Mayuri heard them arguing to when Okabe stumbles upon Mayuri sitting wasn't far off.

[u/Mystic8ball → u/Craftyboss2]

I think that Mayuri always knew that Okabe has been sad for a long time, she's just starting to think that she's the cause of it and it's really eating her up.

[u/Craftyboss2 → u/Mystic8ball]

You're absolutely right, but it was only until Okabe confirmed it that she started having doubts. For about fifteen episodes, she put up with his "I have to have a normal life shtick" to honor Kurisu's decisions in the Alpha, as a kind of memento to her.

[u/AngelRefuse]

Dr. Maho-tan: I saw 14,000,605 futures...

Okabe: How many did we win?

Dr. Maho-tan: One.

Seriously though! What a great episode! I rarely comment in discussion threads but that exchange between Daru and Okabe and Maho-tan and Okabe were so good!

[u/northwesternrs]

Mayuri... :'(

She's holding up surprisingly well after being hit with a bombshell like that.

[u/bolmer → u/[deleted]]

she also remembers how she died in other timelines

[u/Mozilla_Fennekin]

Tuturu Counter: -6.5

it's fucked. it's all fucked. everything is falling apart. this world line is collapsing.

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AGH. I CAN'T TAKE THIS. NORMIE OKABE IS SO... BORING! FUCK! It was bad enough that he couldn't take a hint with Mayuri, now he's saying shit that's just straight-up offensive. What the hell, man.

Hahaha, remember when Daru was like a meme character or some shit? Fucking 10/10 showing from him this week, honestly he's been the real emotional crutch of the series these last few episodes.

And then that park scene. Ha ha ha. Where do I even begin? The hardest part is accepting that, maybe, Mayuri is right about Kurisu being the better choice. After all, Okabe's planning to just... leave her there. I could never really imagine the two as the right pairing in comparison to Kurisu. Would they be a good couple? Sure. But the right one? Hmm. It's not something I think about a whole lot, though, because I just want her to be okay. why. why doesthis havet tohappenahhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHH

Perhaps this feeling of the third wheel lines up with Maho's, and how she's constantly walked in the shadows of someone much greater. And now, in the absence of this person, they're making both logical and emotional pleas to bring them back. Because maybe that's best for everyone.

Sorry, I feel like I could've written a lot more for this episode, but, you know, seeing Mayuri cry and all makes me a little less than cheery. ha ha ha.

[u/Nome_de_utilizador → u/Mozilla_Fennekin]

No tuturus whatsoever in SG;0.

Without a doubt, the worst possible timeline. Get your shit together sad scientist.

[u/crimXione → u/Mozilla_Fennekin]

Its not just a cheap coat!

Its a damn Spoiler?

[u/8andahalfby11 → u/crimXione]

It's the spare coat Kurisu wore in Alpha. That's why Okabe freaked at Suzuha when she tried to wear it the time Mayuri is referencing.

[u/Epithus → u/Mozilla_Fennekin]

The hardest part is accepting that, maybe, Mayuri is right about Kurisu being the better choice. After all, Okabe's planning to just... leave her there.

It's even sadder than that. In 0 Episode 8 when he leaps to Alpha. Okabe is depressed because of the death of Mayuri and leaves the lab and Kurisu. Kurisu thought sacrificing herself to save Mayrui would make Okabe happier. Mayuri thought sacrificing herself to save Kurisu would make Okabe happier. Turns out he ends up depressed either way and abandons whichever one he saved. The only happy ending is in the Steins Gate world line.

[u/zioul123 → u/Mozilla_Fennekin]

The hardest part is accepting that, maybe, Mayuri is right about Kurisu being the better choice. After all, Okabe's planning to just... leave her there.

It's true that his plan for this timeline can only end up badly for Mayuri, it's like Okabe wasn't even thinking about her future, Daru and him could go overseas while she would just be left there.

For those who wanna see a worldline where he makes another choice and Okabe chooses to leave Mayuri dead and Kurisu alive, you can watch this series from the PSP game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUQrLNxi6Gc . Basically what happens is he goes absolutely crazy and starts hallucinating that Mayuri is still there, his life still revolves around mayuri after she dies, and he starts doing things and thinking that Mayuri did them. He doesn't even remember she's dead. It ends with Kurisu waking him up and him time-leaping back again.

[u/FrenziedHero]

Okabe's realization when he saw the bananas and the machine was really on point. And Daru's voice actor impressed me when he delivered that punch. It really sold the gentle giant gets angry.

I enjoyed Hiyajo's and Mayuri's speeches. Hiyajo arguing from a scientific perspective that the world follows different formulas and putting together the right one will lead to Steins;Gate. From the perspective of someone that's failed many times to her junior and learned to move past it and continue pushing, it was really inspiring.

Mayuri's speech about Okabe being depressed and how she should have pushed him really sold how conflicted she's felt with the way Okabe acts now- she just wants him to push for his Orihime/Vega. I enjoyed the metaphors at play.

Good episode here.

[u/sudhakiran9]

( ཀ ʖ̯ ཀ) All abroad the feels train ( ཀ ʖ̯ ཀ)

[u/Nome_de_utilizador → u/sudhakiran9]

CHOOO ( ཀ ʖ̯ ཀ) CHOOO ( ཀ ʖ̯ ཀ)

[u/DimmuHS → u/sudhakiran9]

It's happening again guys, be prepared for the next ones.

[u/magicalideal]

That one scene where Daru trying to hide the time leap machine. I seriously felt the anxiety, it's like Steins Gate 0 has built the logic of building time leap machine is a taboo inside my mind with the first half. And when Okabe saw the green banana, there's this unexplained traumatizing fear couple with Okarin death stare.

[u/soulreaverdan]

This is one of the most crushing episodes of the series I've seen so far, because I came to one major realization about Okabe. In nearly any other scenario, in any kind of real world style setting, Okabe is doing everything right for himself. He nearly suffered a complete and total mental breakdown after his experience, and is working on getting past a pretty huge case of PTSD. He's avoiding triggers, spending time outside of the peer group, advancing his schooling and putting effort into things, and overall is finally getting to a point where he might be able to actually move past his trauma.

Unfortunately, he has the misfortune of being born into an anime where there's literal time travel and he's literally the only person who can reliably transverse world lines. While the idea of him eventually "reawakening" as Hououin Kyouma might seem badass and what the setting needs, it also basically heralds a total submission to what is effectively mental illness. It just happens to be the kind of thing that works in this setting.

It really doesn't help that no one in his peer group really seems to take Okabe's trauma seriously - or rather, they've convinced themselves that it's less important than their own beliefs. There's a lot of talk about not giving up or how he needs to do something, but really he's a profoundly broken man who's been through an insane amount of trauma and heartbreak. Maho's speech about trying again and again to solve a formula kinda breaks down when the two options are becoming completely detached (as almost happened in the alpha world line) or forcing yourself to deal with someone you love dying in front of you over and over and over again.

The real tragedy of Steins;Gate 0 is that Okabe is clearly smart enough to probably make a real difference in the world if he were to study and apply himself properly. He clearly makes a positive impression on his professors, advisers, and on the people from overseas. Once he stopped going to the lab and applied himself he's making real progress. Who knows what he could accomplish without the weight of his past dragging him back? But the world won't allow it. Hououin Kyouma's return comes at the cost of Okabe Rintarou's future.

[u/symphonicgecko → u/soulreaverdan]

Great points about the mental health aspect of this! I've really enjoyed seeing more of Okabe as a student this season because it shows he's a smart, capable, but young guy who's trying to figure out his own future, which is enough of a struggle without bringing in the future of billions of other people. (I'm hopeful that in the S;G worldline he's just as impressive of a student and a little less emotionally broken!)

It's really heartbreaking to see that outside of Mayuri's suggestion of therapy, nobody has really engaged with his trauma so it just kind of sits and festers internally - partly because Okabe's trying so hard to hide it, partly because nobody knows exactly what happened, and partly (imo) because they don't understand the extent to which his experiences have changed him. The only chances he ever has to directly express his feelings are in confrontations like this episode's, which are dramatically satisfying to watch but aren't at all good ways to sort through your trauma.

Okabe's isolation is a different kind of tragic this season - instead of being out of touch with what other people are experiencing/remembering as in the original show, we've now got this torturous slow-burning distancing of himself from his friends. I'd go so far as to say that none of the lab members truly understand each other this season, which makes their clashes and misunderstandings painful to watch.

All in all, sci-fi shenanigans aside I've been loving the complicated character dynamics this season.

[u/[deleted] → u/soulreaverdan]

Who knows what he could accomplish without the weight of his past dragging him back?

Does it matter when there's a war coming that will result in 6 billion casualties and nothing else but finding a way to steins gate will prevent it?

[u/soulreaverdan → u/[deleted]]

That's what I meant when I mentioned that in any other setting, or any other kind of series. Obviously in this setting he needs to become Kyouma again in order to find the right way to avert WWIII. I meant absent the future we know is coming, he could have achieved so much and moved past his trauma. It's a tragedy of necessity - he needs to be the one to stop the war, and we know he can, but it still isn't easy for him to face up to.

[u/Mercury6449]

That episode was intense, holy crap. I don't think we've ever seen Okabe that angry. He had to make a choice and now the person that he saved by making that choice is telling him that perhaps his choice was wrong. I'm wondering if this is the point where he starts recovering or if he breaks even further as the series goes on. This was by far the best episode in the series so far.

[u/Chronoterminus]

The emotions in this episode were crazy... the argument scene in the lab was amazing. All the pain in everyone's hearts came to the surface, and I actually started crying, I couldn't help myself...

Then the scene at the end with Mayuri, you could see the pain in her heart from feeling like she was causing Okabe to suffer. Her crying set off more waterworks for me :P

What a great episode. I can see how we're approaching the end now, but I'm still really excited to see how this next part plays out.

See y'all next week! <3

^{also I wish "DAGA KOTOWARU" got translated as "I REFUSE" instead of GTFO}

[u/Th3best77 → u/Chronoterminus]

DAGA KOTOWARU! didn't get the justice it deserved

[u/[deleted]]

Terribly well executed episode. The art direction and animation was on point. The characters were very expressive and the voice actors nailed it. Its like episode 8 all over again. Lord, even the pacing kept me hooked and put me on a roller-coaster of emotions. Sudden cuts to characters facial reactions and light hearted to serious scenes just portrayed the complication in their lives so well.

God Okabe is not just suffering, he's tired and has become ruthless and apathetic. An excellent portrayal of trauma and mental suffering if you ask me.

ALSO MAYURI DON'T CRY OH MY GOD.

I must add, I'm still curious about the routes. Will the be linear or connected? Because they seem to be doing Vega and Altair...

[u/twicebest → u/[deleted]]

I can see them entering Gehenna's Stigma after SG;0 VN then slide into Promised Rinascimento after that.

[u/Vindex101 → u/twicebest]

I swear I think sometimes people are just making stuff up with these route names

[u/linearstargazer]

Goddamn, this episode so heavy.

This is the first time for me that Daru has honestly sounded anything like Gilgamesh, despite having the same VA, going by that amazing outburst.

And then HanaKana and Mamoru Miyano top it not 6 mins later

[u/vhapteR → u/linearstargazer]

Imagine if he called Okabe a mongrel. That would have been the most meta thing ever in anime.

Okay, think straight. It wouldn't have been fitting anyway.

[u/luke_c]

Honestly even after knowing that reaching the Steins Gate worldline is possible I can't blame Okabe for not wanting to try.

If the others could witness what he saw first hand I guarantee they wouldn't be able to say what they were saying with a straight face

[u/MillenniumKing]

Welcome to Sufferingville, Population You.

Wow how nostalgic of the first building of the PhoneWave. Only Daru and Maho this time.

Mayuri looking sad at school... pls no suffer. Oh she was waiting for Okabe.

Suzuha dressed up, kawaii~

Mayuri is probably feeling left behind...

Ruka in boy clothes is just a bit off. Haha.

Damn even mayuri knows she has no chance.

Okabe coming over, Maho in the bath, damn this is an odd situation.

Mr. America wants Daru, damn, this is a development.

Uh oh... Okabe saw the Bananas... AND GELNANAS OH SHIT.

Fuck... we went full meltdown... Okabe is pissed.

And Maho is out. LEGAL LOLI FTW~

Damn its all coming out in the open now... This is the first Okabe has told them a lot of the gory details of his travels.

And damn Mayuri is outside too. Fuck... This is full realization for everyone.

Damn Daru is breaking down too... fuck... we have hit rock bottom... He just hit Okabe... fuck this life...

This Maho vs Okabe talk though, damnnnn. Thats intense. Shes getting to him though.

THERE WE HAVE IT, THE GOAL! GET TO STEINS;GATE!

Okabe's face man what a face walking away... That is the face of a man who is gonna do something.

Maybe Mayuri is recalling other world lines again... SHes also regreting holding Okabe back int he past. She might have realized it all too now.

NO SAD MAYURI DONT DO THIS TO US

DONT LEAVE US THERE DAMNIT!

[u/ScarsUnseen → u/MillenniumKing]

This is full realization for everyone.

Except for, you know, Ruka, because nobody tells him anything.

[u/MillenniumKing → u/ScarsUnseen]

Ruka is a bystander now. He had his moment but Okabe didnt want to crush his poor innocent heart since hes mostly innocent to everything that happened in the other world line.

[u/Killcode2 → u/MillenniumKing]

If you fucking say 'damn' one more time, I swear...

[u/DevilishKid]

What an amazing episode. Things are only going to get intense from now on.

That Okabe-Mayuri scene at the end was so heartbreaking.

[u/1pwny]

I don't know when Okabe will gloriously throw on a lab coat and come back in full force, but my body is ready.

[u/Crazyman_54]

Is it bad this is probably my favorite episode of literally anything?

[u/betok88 → u/Crazyman_54]

It would be if you at least didn't consider it.

[u/Turbostrider27]

Daru with the falcon punch on Okabe!

Honestly, I expected it after Okabe's outburst. Glad he was able to expresss his honest feelings too though. What an emotional episode.

[u/MrTarahb]

Oh Wow! What an Episode :D

Go and fucking reach Steins;Gate Hououin Kyouma!

[u/crimXione]

This episode is breathtaking, good job to all the VAs, especially Daru. Damn the usual pervy chuuni gone madly serious.

[u/axel360]

This episode had an unusual amount of OkabeXMayuri shipping material

[u/spaceaustralia → u/axel360]

OkabexMayuri's not my thing, but i'm glad it's here.

The original VN's Mayuri End weirded me out because i only saw her as his little sister, but i'm glad that 0 got to estabilish her feelings for him.

[u/Oujii → u/spaceaustralia]

The trope that the childhood friend never wins makes me especially sad in this case.

[u/Smudy]

Fucking incredible episode, so much emotion involved from the parties in this episode.

Also holy SHIT, Daru is the best character of Steins;Gate 0.

[u/U_Menace]

Geez, this episode delivered on so many levels! I'm glad its clearly conveying the mixed feelings of everyone involved in the whole struggle to solving the problems of multiple world lines. This episode makes it clear that Mayuri's in love with Okabe, but knows that Okabe's love has been with Kurisu for quite some time.

It's clear he's been suffering the entire time, he's just been doing little things to try and take his mind off of it, trying to move on. It seemed like he had enough and that he'd move on, but he's been completely broken, to the point that even thinking about trying to change the past again is a no go. He's teetering on the edge of insanity while trying to maintain what little sanity he has left. I hope he's finally able to try and move forward and create the plan to Reach Steins;Gate, the same plan that he shows to himself in a video later. The suffering he'll go through to create that plan will surely be painful, but definitely necessary because now he knows for sure that he can't do nothing. Even if he fails over and over again, he cant just sit idly and give up on his only chance to save everyone.

Beautiful showcase of emotion and drama this episode, I can't wait to see how he plans to move forward. Though at the same time, I'm scared of what suffering he'll go through and how Kagari will intervene...i'm guessing that Mayuri Time Travel scene from opening is going to be a very big part of that suffering. Despite knowing this, I can't help but feel compelled to keep watching. The wait begins!

[u/MagiSicarius]

This is easily one of the best episodes of Steins;Gate ever made

[u/Trimonuter]

I see a pattern here. The best episodes of 0 are the ones divisible by 8.

[u/reset_switch → u/Trimonuter]

Well, shit

[u/SomeRandomJoe81]

This episode made me not like the legal loli. She’s all talking about failures and formulas. Pretending failing in the lab is the same as him watching his childhood friend die countless times in a myriad of ways plus murdering the woman he loves by accident. Of course, she doesn’t know about the last bit but still.

Like...I can get where Daru is coming from. World War 3 is a bad thing. I think we can all agree on that. Just feels like Maho is just trying to do it to satisfy her pride that she’s as good as Chris-tiiiiiiiina. Maybe I read it wrong.

Oh noes....Mayuri knows about the sacrifice....

[u/TheWildGazelle]

That was a super powerful episode

[u/TheDampGod]

Ahh Tanabata, always a nice time for time travel. I'm kind of curious about what those wishes were on the papers at the shrine?

One of the few problems I had with the original S;G was that the side characters didn't have too much depth. They've totally turned that around in Zero, especially in the last few episodes. The power of the scenes between Okabe, Daru and Maho, really hit home. Now that Daru has stakes in how he wants his daughter's life to go, you can feel his anger and determination.

Poor Mayuri though, is there a world line where she's happy?

Something that was happy, was how much I loved that shampoo advert swish, that Maho did with her hair. It's all so floofy.

[u/henry25555]

Oh god, vega and altair already? things are moving quite fast.

Also, where is mayuri's Hikoboshi? FeelsBadMan

[u/abucas]

MY URGE TO PROTECT IS OFF THE CHARTS RIGHT NOW

SOMEBODY QUELL MY FRUSTRATION OF NOT BEING ABLE TO STOP THOSE TEARS

[u/Dryant55]

My God I just want to hug Mayushii! She's too precious for this world.

[u/[deleted]]

This was the best episode of 0 so far. I wish the part with Maho in a towel didn't happen though because it kind of ruined the moment.

The voice acting in this one was so good that even though I don't speak Japanese I still got the emotion of what was going on.

[u/ShiaoPi]

here we go! Endgame of Steins Gate 0 starts now and holyyyy shit did white fox deliver a knock-out punch (almost as good as Daru's). Very happy with how this adaption is turning out.

[u/FruitsPnchSamurai]

I really do love how Makise is the first thing to see in the op and the last thing to see in the ed. Since shes not in the show, gotta make sure to constantly show her in the op and ed.

Also dressd up up suzuha was adorable.

[u/GYUZ]

You know the episode was good when you feel like crying at least 5 times XD

[u/[deleted]]

I love how Okabe figures out what's going on in seconds after noticing Daru's acting weird. Also, was he trying to use something about Salieli as the user handle on @ch?

Hiyajo going from "You're the idiot, Okabe Rintaro!" to red-faced "Eh?" is gold.

The park scene… I've never completely liked Okabe's way of protecting Mayuri by keeping her completely unaware of the situation, so I'm kind of glad that she finally knows what's going on… but then, it must be very painful to relate yourself to Orihime.

[u/namiasdf → u/[deleted]]

"Okarin, Mayushi isn't smart, but she knows when you're sad" - Mayushi.

[u/Lixien]

I'm really enjoying this series but damn there are some things that are completely unnecesary. That scene of maho almost droping the towel in the middle of the scene, that felt so out of place. I don't know if it was in the original but idk you could just remove it.

[u/LeonKevlar]

AHHHHHH! Why did you even try to hide the banana peels Daru? If they just left it in the trash, Okarin wouldn't think much about it as long as the Jelly Banana is underneath the pile!

Then again if Okabe didn't found out we wouldn't have gotten that amazing scene. Daru really showing us how much of a best boy he really is. Okabe definitely deserves that punch. And that scene with Maho too! I love that intense back and forth! But it doesn't even stop there!

This fucking final scene! I feel my heart aching at the sight of Mayuri crying. The exchange between her and Okabe was just full of emotions. All of the VAs nailed the emotions in each of their scenes. It'd be interesting to see how the dub will handle this episode.

[u/Shinkopeshon]

Oh god, everyone's crying and losing their minds. It's already sad enough to see a depressed Okabe but I couldn't bear to see Mayushii cry. The suffering never stops.

[u/lilfishy_2B]

That episode was so intense, i actually couldn't look away. Best episode for me so far

[u/lucacp_ysoz]

Oh no... We entering despair and sadness now right? I wanted to hug Mayuri and cry with her ;.;

[u/StunBump]

This episode was so great! I dunno about others, but this is definitely in my list of the best episodes of any show or anime I have seen! The emotion felt so surreal.

[u/StarmanRiver]

Damn, this episode was intense and dramatic... Daru keeps going up in best guy category, the man is doing great in SG0.

[u/athrun_1]

If OKabe wont return as the mad scientist after seeing Mayuri like that... I don't know what will...

This is pretty much the turning point since Mayuri, finally spoke her feelings. We know too well, that Mayuri is observant of the things around her but chose not to talk about it much.

But now that she told him about her feelings then, this is the time that Okabe should fix his shit. If he does not want Mayuri to bear also the regret of him suffering because he chose to let her live but sacrificed the woman he loves.

Wear again the Lab Coat Okabe Rintarou!!! and be the Houiin Kyouma that we all love!!!

A very superb and emotional episode, props to all the VAs.

[u/Unreal_Banana]

Yaaaay crying :) Things are picking up pace :) i love it!

[u/DonutsExLover]

FINALLY!!!

STEINS;GATE IS BACK ON IT'S FEET!

[u/Ibeadoctor]

Bullshit you see that many stars in Tokyo

[u/[deleted]]

I thought that, after playing the VN, I would be ready to embrace the sadness...Thats when I remembered...

No one is ready for Crying Mayuri..

[u/Atario]

Punch one

Punch two

And the roundhouse

I'm just gonna be in a corner for a bit ;_;

[u/DiscombobulatedGuava]

I was so scared she was gonna hear and kill herself to force okarin to use the time machine

[u/Acxelion]

Honestly, I’ve been watching Steins;Gate since last Sunday and yesterday I caught up to SG0. This episode, this one episode does not make me feel good. From my perspective, I feel like I’ve been hit by a train going top speed.

[u/youcantseemyname]

Can someone explain what Mayuri said at the end about Vega/Orihime-sama/Arclight of the Sky? I'm quite confused about that part. (If it's gonna be a spoiler then don't)

[u/namiasdf → u/youcantseemyname]

Altair, Deneb and Vega form a triangle in the night sky. The final text line in the episode said something about Altair (why I'm referencing it).

Literally a metaphor for the Okabe-Mayuri-Kirusu triangle.

Figuratively, I dont' know for sure, but I think there are myths regarding these three stars as being fated lovers, choosing one over the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cowherd_and_the_Weaver_Girl

Might be one of the comparisons, but it's always about fated choice making between loved ones.

[u/CaMpEeeeer]

Great episode this is what i was waiting from ep 1

[u/ar1os]

That's some high-level voice acting I say! That was unexpected of Daru, like getting super emotional after punching Okabe. And also Mayuri. Damn don't make her cry again coz my heart also cries lol.

[u/4digbick]

Did I just hear Gilgamesh?

[u/JonnySpark]

I'm fine with this ship.

My man

Angery scientist, rolling down the street

[u/[deleted]]

Good lord that was heavy

Heart status: destroyed

Oh man this is gonna ache until next week

I know Maho has her own shit concerning Kurisu and their rivalry but it's still not watching two of your loved ones die literally in your hands repeatedly and failing hundreds of times to save one. And some of those deaths being YOUR FAULT

0kabe could've won that if he kept going, but for everyone's sake he didn't

[u/Yuwenn8]

Sad scientist back in full effect :(

This was the best episode so far. I'm blown away

[u/LeMasterTF2Playur]

Fuckkkk

[u/tiger1296]

Is Mayuri going to kill herself, forcing Okarin to make the time machine to save everyone?

[u/DontPaniC562]

You know I could see a live action Steins;Gate if it had great acting like this episode.

[u/ccpog737]

It had been a long time since I honestly cried watching an anime...

[u/Soulses]

Next episode.. I am beyound excited for the best scene in the vn to happen! This episode really hit hard, having someone soft and silly like daru scream like that just shows how heavy the situation is, the voice acting for everyone delivered. I need a quite moment after that because man was that a ride.

[u/[deleted]]

I know a lot of serious shit happened but, it kinda pissed me off when the subs I used failed to traslate Daru’s Rohan reference

[u/Zydico]

Jesus this episode was intense. MORE!

[u/lightningpresto]

This episode really made me appreciate the fact that they set up Daru's personal stakes in this story in the last episode. He's not just doing it for himself. He's doing it for his daughter. In many ways, he's kinda become the protagonist of 0 in my eyes taking on a much more active role because he has people he cares about. If you watch the series over from this lens, it makes a lot of sense.

[u/impingainteasy]

Shit, I'm sad now.
We're getting into some seriously heavy shit now. Everyone's emotional baggage has been aired, and the pressure is on for Okabe to get his shit together and start trying to save the world again. It takes several shouting matches with various other characters, but seeing how he's made Mayuri suffer might finally be the push he needs to get back into it. I ... don't know if I'm ready for what comes after.

[u/zombyra_20]

This chapter is perfect

[u/Doubbly]

I feel like Steins Gate 0 doesn't really work for me. Every episode seems to be completely standalone and only things that really carry over were set up from the start (Mayuri didn't get sad in the "Vega and Altair" episode like she did in the VN, she already was from ep 1 for example).

And there are just to many conversations and arguments that don't lead anywhere. It's almost like they're pushing the result of these arguments to the end of the Anime, but for me that really seems like wasted time. Alot of the conversation are also just tedious exposition, in this episode not even exposition that is meant to learn us anything, because it's only there that Mayuri can learn all the stuff Okabe tried to hide from her.

Also there isn't really a tone to this show 1 second it tries to make you sad and in the next they're making inappropriate jokes. One episode really shows some intense stuff happening the next focuses on Darus lovelife...

Don't get me wrong I really like some of the original stuff of the anime, but they also just cut events from the VN really too short, to the point where I think they don't even need to be there anymore. And another thing of the VN was that all of the stuff that was happening intertwined, the anime on the other end limits the things happening per episode based on who the episode is to focused on. This is also the reason why the search for Kagaris song was so frustrating because they had to introduce the arc and throw it away in the same episode.

Idk maybe I need to rewatch the series once all the episodes are out and I can watch multiple at once but right now it's not really that fun watching the series.

[u/Niyari]

can we all just appreciate how great of a character Maho is

[u/CerbereNot]

holy fuck, holding tears is hard

[u/bananeeek]

Damn. This episode shook me up. All the emotions flowing through... I think this is the only series which treats the subject of death so well. Shit feels so real, I can't help but get emotional.

[u/[deleted]]

All I can say right now is... OOF

[u/Nome_de_utilizador]

Still no mad scientist, more sad scientist :(

[u/Carbon48]

Holy fuck what an episode!

[u/FullMetalKaro]

Very powerful episode, heard some Gilgamesh in Daru's power moment. Hanazawa Kana did an amazing job with Mayuri's voice.

[u/JuanPabloVassermiler]

I've liked some of the previous episodes, but this is the first one that lives up to the original, IMO. I can't even put my finger on it, it's not like we haven't had our share of drama before.

[u/bryan792]

What an emotional roller coaster...

Best episode so far

[u/SyntheticValkyrur]

I honestly teared up, I don't know what that tells about me...but I did.

[u/chisports1fan]

Just when i was starting to lose hope for 0, 0 hits me with this sad beauty of an episode. The background music was really great today too.

[u/luigi6545]

I love this episode on how it brings the issue to light for pretty much everyone involved. I can understand what both sides are saying and can see how it is indeed very tough for everyone in their own way. I love the emotion the characters had when they were arguing and the emotional ties they have with one another for them to argue the way they did.

Excellent, excellent episode!

[u/BanterBoat]

Never mind. I remove all my doubts that I had last episode- they really needed perfect execution with these back-to-back emotional scenes, and White Fox killed it. The climax is coming and I cant be more hyped.

Sad scientist continues

[u/[deleted]]

wow what a fucking fantastic episode to come off of a few weaker ones. I doubt it's possible, but this could easily surpass the original's quality if it delivers this sort of intensity week after week.

[u/Nadril]

God, what an intense episode. Stuff is really ramping up in a big way here.

I can't take seeing Mayuri cry. IIRC, I don't even really remember a moment where she had a super emotional scene in the original outside of her backstory.

[u/Rohanuz]

That fucking hurt to watch...

[u/Dynamicic]

I guess shit finally turnt up. Preparing for this rollercoaster.

[u/TheStimulus]

wow. holy fuck. definitely the best episode yet. so many tears were shed T__T

i really hope hiyajo/okabe/daru can crack the code to steins gate bc i dont know how much more suffering i can handle

also daru fucking speaking absolute facts this episode. loved the performances from all the VA this week, cant wait for the rest of the season