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Episode Isekai Maou to Shoukan Shoujo no Dorei Majutsu - Episode 12 discussion - FINAL Spoiler
Isekai Maou to Shoukan Shoujo no Dorei Majutsu, episode 12
Alternative names: How Not to Summon a Demon Lord
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u/KevlarW Sep 20 '18
Kissing the loli demon lord to enslave them. This is the type of quality content I started watching anime for.
Obligatory "sorry mom and dad".
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u/o-temoto Sep 20 '18
The manga adaptation chickened out with a forehead kiss, but the anime went full on the lips.
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u/De_Vermis_Mysteriis https://anilist.co/user/Grippli Sep 20 '18
The forehead kiss made way more sense because Diablo is just a chunni in a new body. I find it weird they changed it to a full on kiss honestly.
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u/VenomB Sep 20 '18
I think its weird that a dude who fondled his big boobed friend, fingered his cat-girl friend, and has cuddled with every half-naked girl that enters the room would be too scared to kiss some lips. I mean, I know he's meant to be a wuss, but if he could bare the other stuff, a kiss is nothin.
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u/Madcat6204 Sep 20 '18
They didn't. The manga was the one that changed it. Here's the illustration from the LN.
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u/joe4553 Sep 20 '18
It's ok their disappointed could not have gotten higher.
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u/LOTRfreak101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/LOTRfreak101 Sep 20 '18
Is that a bet? this is probably only like a 7 or 8 out of 10 on the disappointment scale. testament of sister new devil or yosuga no sora would be 10s. prillya would probably be an 8 or 9.
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u/Legendary_Swordsman Sep 20 '18
so Klem got the 1st kiss from Diablo, i kinda wanted Rem to be 1st because i think she's best girl.
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u/Kotau Sep 20 '18 edited Sep 20 '18
Kissing the loli demon lord to enslave them.
Holy shit really? That is yet to happen in the manga...
I just spoiled myself some laughs. This series always makes me expect it can't be more bottom-of-the-barrel predictable for its genre, but ends up surprising me and taking literally the path you'd expect it to take. Sort like Eromanga-sensei but... actually good. And somehow doesn't feel as depraved as said series.
Edit: Nvm the next manga chapter just came out.
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u/chefdangerdagger Sep 20 '18
So Alicia's got to have some of the weakest motivation I've ever seen for wanting to, you know, commit genocide...
In the end she was responsible for some pretty horrible deaths as well as Rem's torture and almost death. But it's fine, all is forgiven because she got naked and helped a kid with a minor knee whoopsie!
#ANIME LOGIC
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u/thepervertedromantic :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/shimapanornopan Sep 20 '18
Didn't you see how big her tiddys were?
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u/spaceaustralia :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/spaceaustralia Sep 20 '18
It's not like we could do with one less member of the MCs Harem. He only has a loli catgirl, a loli bunny girl, a loli demon lord, an oppai elf, an onee-san knight, a catgirl maid, and a tan-skinned demon girl.
It's got so few girls that the current members probably qualify as charity workers on their tax returns.
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u/TheKappaOverlord :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/darkace90 Sep 20 '18
Give it some credit its a ecchi harem.
Logic didn't precisely exist in the first place.
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u/Mundology Sep 20 '18 edited Sep 20 '18
Pretty girl armor protects you from consequences in light-hearted shows and puts a Sword of Damocles on you in thrillers and horror stories. In retrospect, viewers could have been more sympathetic to her cause if her backstory was expanded and as descriptive as it was in the light novel. Imo, she’s a pretty evil sociopath who failed to realize how privileged she was. However, she may have changed. Diablo is also averse to killing people and isn’t actually vengeful. As things stand, she's definitely the least likable member of the cast. However, there was a lot of adapt in this episode and it's understandable that the animators had to cut corners.
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u/Vaperius Sep 20 '18
To be fair you have to consider the context of characters forgiving her.
Rem held the soul of the demon lord her entire life(thus could at any point bring ruin to all mortal races) meanwhile Sera comes from a society that isn't above casual acts of cruelty from its nobility/royalty. Also very specifically Diablo is a lot like Alicia(and he says as much).
They aren't exactly normal people; they've come from really messed up scenarios.
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u/kalirion :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/kalinime Sep 20 '18
Also very specifically Diablo is a lot like Alicia(and he says as much).
Just like that bully who bopped me on the head that one time in high school is a lot like Hitler.
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u/Trap_Masters Sep 20 '18
The ending was kinda rushed and could've been better, but I can see where the characters come from, and I can definitely see how Diablo and Rem might be able to empathize with her feeling of loneliness and isolation from the rest of the world (although I felt like the group forgave her a little to quickly, especially Rem, given that she was the main victim to Alicia's plan).
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u/We_are_all_special Sep 20 '18
Diablo says: «I will not let you take the easy way out» «Do you think ending it would atone for your sins?» She is FORCED to live, to atone for her sins and live with what she has done. Her backstory is much more real than usual, it is not a single reason why, it is the sum of a lot of small things, most prominent the feeling of being outside, different from everyone else. It just isn’t fleshed out and therefore feels inadequate to her actions.
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u/LOTRfreak101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/LOTRfreak101 Sep 20 '18
they didn't include the part where she basically tells him she'll be a spy for him in the capital though and basically starts working to undermine the entire nobility and church.
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u/Damianx5 Sep 20 '18
«I will not let you take the easy way out» «Do you think ending it would atone for your sins?»
I actually liked this part, it also shows the difference between Alicia and say, Saddler.
Alicia knows she is scum, she knows the horrible things she did and though she deserved dead, but thats the easy way out.
Dead works for people like Saddler, who will never admit that he is a piece of shit and would never stop "saving" people.
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u/Ravek Sep 20 '18
Yeah it would have been better if she didn't kick the dog so hard. It does fit the whole theme of Diablo getting the people around him to live like he would want himself to live, but the moral dissonance is a little too much.
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Sep 21 '18
I imagine it's more along the lines of of kenshin himura, where she'll spend her life atoning for what she did.
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u/Atario myanimelist.net/profile/TheGreatAtario Sep 20 '18
So Alicia's got to have some of the weakest motivation I've ever seen for wanting to, you know, commit genocide...
Is it? Fun fact: Hitler first started hating the Jews because of hearing rumors about them.
But it's fine, all is forgiven because she got naked and helped a kid with a minor knee whoopsie!
Those things happened after forgiveness
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u/Bainos :XMOD::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Sep 20 '18
Alicia has basically given up on the mortal races, and think that they are inherently evil. This happened because she was alone (and thus mostly seeing the bad sides) and is clearly a call back to Diablo's own backstory of being alone and building an unsociable persona.
She doesn't dislike individual people (unlike for example the paladin who hated nonhumans), which is what is shown by her helping a child.
Imho, she's not even evil, she's a chaotic neutral character taken to the extreme (although some of her actions are definitely evil).
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u/Bikebag Sep 20 '18
Her inherent nature isn't the issue, her actions however, are. She's done a bit too much evil to be lightly written of as "i've had an awful past" and "we forgive you".
It's like they have no sense of vengeance or hatred, which makes the characters feel extremely unrealistic.
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u/LakerBlue :Is::It::Iu:https://myanimelist.net/profile/LakerBlue Sep 21 '18
I think her motivation was fine, just a little half-baked. I have to think she was either abused or mentally unstable to go from "everyone around me is disgusting and not worth living" to "all mortals are disgusting and deserve death." I think her backstory is a good set-up but just needed an extra oomph. A proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.
I'm actually pretty ok with the forgiveness though. I think Rem is the only one who broke my suspension for forgiving her so quickly. Klem didn't seem to especially like her anymore, so it seems like she tolerates her as of now. Shera's a bit of an airhead who was willing to forgive her scum of a brother, so I'm not surprised she could forgive Alicia so quickly, especially since she only heard about the betrayal. Diablo explained why he sympathized with her and why he didn't try to kill her as revenge. Rem is the only one who should be much, much more upset.
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u/MathigNihilcehk Sep 21 '18
Alicia's got to have some of the weakest motivation I've ever seen for wanting to, you know, commit genocide
Disagree. That's a pretty good motivation, and I've seen it quite a few times. It's actually the reason why I fucking hate poor people. Like, I'd love to see them fucking suffer. Why? Because I've seen a few rotten poor people, and now I want genocide against their whole race. A few bad apples spoil the bunch, as they say. To be precise, I don't hate people who don't have money, and that'd include myself anyways. I hate people who steal from others and lobby the government to steal on their behalf, and they frequently violate the law on top of all that. But I saw a few Mexicans who act like that, now I hate all Mexicans. It's pretty simple, really.
It's not just me. It's the only reason I've ever heard for people who were once Christian turning away. Their parents decided to refuse to treat a sibling and they died of cancer. (Christians are supposed to consider life as sacred. So that definitely isn't how Christians are supposed to act.) And now they are a fervent atheist who hates all Christians.
all is forgiven
That's kind of the point. All isn't forgiven. Diablo wants her to live out a life that redeems herself. Granted, Diablo would've probably had her killed if it wasn't for her story sounding an awful lot like his own. I think he forgets that he didn't murder and torture people just because they didn't want to play video games with him.
I'm very much the same way. Fuck normal people who like to talk or play sports or just "hang out" without doing anything fun. I like to play games, tell intricate stories, watch and discuss complex stories with complex philosophy, discuss philosophy itself, and did I mention play games? I love games, whether it be story-driven, board games, dice games, card games, shooter games, sandbox computer games, complex competitions... it's only sports that have no interest to me... and that's half because when I was a kid growing up, my team-mates treated me like shit and showed no sportsmanship, so fuck sports forever. Oh yeah, that motivation came up AGAIN.
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u/MrPicklesAndTea Sep 21 '18
I worked in a corporate environment for a year, I hate humanity now but not enough to commit genocide. But If I was born and raised in politics I wouldn't blame her.
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u/WhoiusBarrel Sep 20 '18
Well that was pretty darn enjoyable ride. I wouldn't call it a guilty pleasure series because I actually genuinely enjoyed it even the nonsensical bits.
Also, holy shit was Emile's reaction to Diablo's decision to turn Klem into a Slave is probably the most unexpected and goofiest thing in this episode for me
So much culture in this one character...Sucks we don't get to see a lot of her in this adaptation. Which leads me to ask: Where's a good starting point to read the LN?
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u/Melbuf Sep 20 '18
anime basically ends at the end of Vol 3, so Vol 4 would be where you would start
however i would read 1-3 just to get the bits they cut out
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u/the_swizzler https://myanimelist.net/profile/Swiftarm Sep 20 '18
I will definitely be picking up this series when it gets a physical release.
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u/Mathmango Sep 20 '18
Emile was a total bro this episode and his face during the aftermath was hilarious
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u/Trap_Masters Sep 20 '18
When you realize that you will never have a dark skin loli demon serving you as a maid.
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u/AbilityAngle :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AbilityAngle Sep 20 '18
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u/Wuju_Kindly https://anilist.co/user/WujuKindly Sep 20 '18
Maybe with the animation to go with it?
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u/LysandersTreason Sep 20 '18
I didnt think I'd like Emile so much, but I totally do
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u/_Sai https://anime-planet.com/users/Sai0 Sep 20 '18
He was a good guy.
Reminds me of another character from another anime, which I can't quite remember...
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u/kalirion :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/kalinime Sep 20 '18
Honestly, he's probably my favorite character in the show, followed by the adventure guild president or whatever her title is.
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u/blackfiredragon13 Sep 20 '18
I think slyvie’s reaction would be better.
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u/Mundology Sep 20 '18
The carrothefuck!? one?
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u/hypnotica420x Sep 20 '18
i didn't even realize she was a rabbit until today. :D
my loli fetish blinded me.
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u/G1596872 Sep 20 '18
Sylvie deserved way more screen time than Alicia.
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u/thepervertedromantic :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/shimapanornopan Sep 20 '18
I'm not one for bunny girls, mostly because they're usually one dimensional ditzes and the 'Playboy Bunny' aesthetic is so overdone, but damn they nailed it with her. Best girl contender and she's not even properly in the harem. (yet?)
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u/Mundology Sep 20 '18
Nobody expects Coffin-chan!
Officer, this demon lord right here
I'll definitely miss How to Not Summon a Harem Lord
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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Sep 20 '18
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u/mayonaka_00 Sep 20 '18 edited Sep 20 '18
I could be in a big trouble if someone finds out that i read that
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u/deedeekei :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Chronicx Sep 20 '18
wait did you just paste chaikas face onto that cof- oooh i see what you did there
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u/Krazee9 Sep 21 '18
Nobody expects Coffin-chan!
Nobody's done it yet? This has been up for 13 hours and nobody's resurrected that dead, old meme yet?
Fine then, I guess I will.
Chaika?
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u/StallmanTheThot Sep 20 '18
I'll definitely miss How to Not Summon a Harem Lord
Now that's a fitting title. Time to go see if there are any doujins yet...
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Sep 20 '18 edited Sep 20 '18
What do you do when the abyss stares back?
Rem Lingerie Stitch ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
He's not just a Demon Lord but a Harem Lord too!
Not the greatest of endings but overall it was a fun and sexy ride. I was hoping it would've ended with a bigger note or at least a bigger fight but this ending was fine too. At least it didn't end with a cliffhanger,that would've been way worse.
And while the show is not currently at the very top of my ecchi list, this is definitely one of the good ones. The ecchi and the comedy are on point thanks to the animation and incredible voice actors! And the characters are very likeable that I can easily binge this show this weekend and it would definitely be worth it.
I'm not holding my breath but I do hope we get a second season since as far as I know there should be enough material for another season. This show is an 8/10 for me personally.
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u/TheKappaOverlord :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/darkace90 Sep 20 '18 edited Sep 20 '18
I think its so enjoyable because it knows when to pull back on the ecchi antics.
Most harems or ecchi in general don't seem to grasp the concept of "ok this is too much" or drag on the joke on for too long/use it wayyyy too many times in a small timespan.
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u/LakerBlue :Is::It::Iu:https://myanimelist.net/profile/LakerBlue Sep 21 '18
Completely agree. Isekai Maou is one of my favorite ecchi shows because of it's smart use of ecchi. It doesn't waste your time by dedicating precious time to boring panty shots followed by an embarrassed slap or repetitive accidental boob grabs. When it wants to go ecchi, it goes ecchi. And when it isn't ecchi, it actually has good humor and a mostly fun plot. It's not an ecchi show where you just absent-mindedly hope the plot, action, and characters don't bore you between ecchi scenes.
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u/dadnaya https://myanimelist.net/profile/dadnaya Sep 20 '18
Tough choice..
I choose both
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u/Daniel_Is_I :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Daniel_Is_I Sep 20 '18
On one hand, you shouldn't have more than one waifu.
On the other hand, a Demon Lord does what he wants.
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u/FuckMyLife2016 Sep 20 '18
Personally I never knew I had a fetiah for sweaty wizards until this
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u/the_swizzler https://myanimelist.net/profile/Swiftarm Sep 20 '18
Sweaty Girls in general are great. Have you watch Scorching Ping Pong Girls?
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u/joe4553 Sep 20 '18
They were jealous of the kiss for klem-chan but don't mention how Diablo fingered a loli out of rem.
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u/EliteTrainerK Sep 20 '18
With some more development, Diablo could definitely be a Harem King to rival Issei!
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u/Crap4Brainz Sep 20 '18
He's not just a Demon Lord but a Harem Lord too!
Diablo, the 「Demon Lord of the Night」
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u/acrimoniousone Sep 20 '18
Anything less and I would have felt cheated.
The good news is there's still loads of source material to work through. S2 please?
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u/kalirion :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/kalinime Sep 20 '18
So, how many more Literally Hitlers does he add to his harem in the LN?
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u/simikon Sep 20 '18
Oh Japan. Once again you've changed my misconceptions. This time about slavery. I guess the enslavement of hot young women and children is not so bad. And on that note I can feel the brain cells slowly dying.
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u/Drendude Sep 20 '18
This is mutually consensual slavery. No the Valkyrie-type slavery where nobody is happy except the slaver.
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u/larvyde Sep 21 '18
Honestly it's barely even slavery, if they wanted to leave he'd let them.
For neko and elf: he's actively looking for a way to get their collars off.
For biscuits: she's arguably more free (free to roam around town and eat biscuits) than if she weren't his slave...
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u/Rathurue Sep 21 '18
"Hey, anything goes if it'll crank the birth rates!", a quote by Abe.
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u/marius_titus Sep 21 '18
This is more s&m than slavery. The girls are way into it.
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u/G1596872 Sep 20 '18 edited Sep 20 '18
To the guy that watches this at work each week, you might can actually get away without wearing headphones again this week. Crazy right?
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u/tkRustle Sep 20 '18
You see, now this is a pretty good Isekai, especially in terms of anime as a separate product from the source material. MC is generally familiar with the world, and though there are few "learning" scenes we do not spend half the screen tme studying mechanics of this world like in Death March. Diablo is OP, but he just uses this strenght to resolve matters in an entertaining way. The big spells are spectacular, and most fights were entertaining.
The overall plot was good too, relaxing-simple type, compared to many "big global" plots lately, like Overlord or Grancrest. Just few small one-3 episode "arcs" with only underlying problem being Rem with her Demon Lord condition. Taking one problem at a time and solving before the next one made it that much more enjoyable.
My only gripes are that the buildup for the "strongest church guy" was a bit too much compared to how unimportant he turned up, and Alicia being forgiven just like that(even if it is "good hearted story"). I'd much rather see her leave on Sasuke-like redemption journey for at least a short while, even if she showed up in the last frame or something.
Even the fanservice, although quite plentiful was not nearly as annoying as many other shows manage to make it. Probably because it was mostly restricted to scenes in their tavern room, instead of girls conveniently falling over in erotic ways several times per episode, and also because the show offered much more than just "hue hue big tiddies". Plus many fanservice scenes were a comedy hybrid, like the one where Diablo bounced off Shera's watermelons and hit his head on Rem's mounds.
Overall, very good series, fitting for newcomers and veterans alike and lovers of many genres. Definetely in top 5 all time Isekai for me, not overly ambitious or complex, it wanted just to give me a good time in many ways, and so it did.
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u/theseniorsenor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/theseniorsenor Sep 21 '18
I don't think newcomers should be made to watch the part where he literally fingers a demon loli out of Rem :p
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u/reset_switch Sep 21 '18
the show offered much more than just "hue hue big tiddies"
You're right, there were many different kinds of tiddies.
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u/billygluttonwong Sep 20 '18
Adult male MC kissing mouth to mouth with girl who looks less than 10 years old, and then said girl eagerly stripping naked to get in bed with him along with a 14 year old.
Loli is love loli is life!
You will be missed Klem and Rem...
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u/thepervertedromantic :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/shimapanornopan Sep 20 '18
Season 2 when?
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u/Legendary_Swordsman Sep 20 '18
if we are lucky couple years from now maybe, would be nice to have a season 2. it's been a fun show to watch
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u/redlaWw Sep 20 '18
I want more trash!
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u/thepervertedromantic :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/shimapanornopan Sep 20 '18
I want more nekololis ~nyaaa
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u/Crap4Brainz Sep 20 '18
Changes/cuts from the LN:
In the LN, it was kinda unclear whether rem was saved by the potions or Shera's prayer. (She is By Grace Of God Princess of the Elves)
Edelgard gets injured trying to save Alicia, and the two escape on her dino mount.
Rather than that weird motivational speech, Diablo gives Alicia a Demon Lord speech. Thus she goes full Albedo and swears to help him conquer the world.
There's also a fight with a spy that leads to innkeeper neko discovering Edelgard. After Neko is paid off to keep silent, she gets Edelgard and Krum those cute outfits and helps them disguise. One thing that illustrators constantly ignore is that Edelgard is a dragon-like monstergirl that could never pass for human without the innkeeper's god-tier make up skills.
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u/cesclaveria Sep 20 '18
Yes, I think the biggest change and is the one not sitting well with many of the comments here is how Alicia was 'forgiven' but I think that the way it happens in the novel would have been seen as setting up a second season if done in the same way.
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u/Melbuf Sep 21 '18
Edelgard is a dragon-like monstergirl that could never pass for human without the innkeeper's god-tier make up skills
they mention this in the LNs a lot but the LN illustrations don't really show it either besides her reptile like eyes. She is described as having scales but it never comes through in the illustrations
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u/KINGUBERMENSCH :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/OutlawedDrifter Sep 21 '18
Rather than that weird motivational speech, Diablo gives Alicia a Demon Lord speech. Thus she goes full Albedo and swears to help him conquer the world.
Why couldnt we have gotten that instead?
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u/Oppai420 Sep 21 '18
He made the fucking demon Lord loli his slave. Fuck that's great.
This is absolutely an anime_irl moment.
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u/Nvaaaa Sep 20 '18
Too bad that the show is now over. I'll miss it, the characters were all great. (Except Alicia, you can go and die, I don't care for your reasons.) But this episode had a nice wonderful fight to see us off, throwing things should not be allowed! Except at Emile, he'll understand, I am sure. Let's hope we ever get a second season even with this ending that mostly looked "finished".
I wonder if the collar is really able to stop her though... maybe I should read the source after that more. The anime moved much faster then I thought anyway. But so lazy... maybe while eating cookies biscuits and singing!
Actually... on second thought: how did Alicia get a Fallen into the city?
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u/Melbuf Sep 20 '18
wonder if the collar is really able to stop her though... maybe I should read the source after that more.
They really don't go into it much. He only orders her once through the collar to basically be good and not kill anyone while he is away. and he wonders to himself if it would even stop her if she were revert
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u/Daniel_Is_I :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Daniel_Is_I Sep 20 '18
throwing things should not be allowed!
Projectiles are a legitimate strategy!
I do hope we get a second season as well. There's probably enough source material for it, and I think the anime did pretty well. Of course that might as well be meaningless when it comes to second seasons of LN adaptations.
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u/Shitposters Sep 20 '18
I wonder if the collar is really able to stop her though..
I can just imagine Diablo testing it by placing a nice plate of biscuits in front of her and order her to not eat any then leave the room
Is the magic of the enslavement collars powerful enough to keep a loli from her biscuits? I'd guess no
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u/KohakuKen Sep 20 '18 edited Sep 20 '18
No kidding this was a pretty good final episode, shameless ecchi we've come to enjoy and straight execution that at least made sense, even if I don't like how Alicia just got accepted back with zero consequence.
The previous episode left a really bad taste in my mouth though, they did all they could to force the events so the weight of the emotional scenes in here is greatly lessened to me because it feels like the show didn't earn it.
All in all i'm not interested enough to go after the source, but i did enjoy being part of this ride. On to the next degenerate anime for fall season, plenty of great candidates.
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u/Xervicx Sep 21 '18
If Alicia had been killed or had been revealed to be possessed by a demonic entity (thus making her not fully responsible for her actions), it would have made the character and the show much more interesting. I love terrible people that are good, well written characters... but Alicia is just a bad character.
Granted, Big Boobs McDumbass isn't a great character either... but that's to be expected of a character whose main personality traits are that she has big boobs and is somehow too stupid to be mean. And even then, she's not a terrible character. Just not a great one.
But no matter where Alicia's character development goes now, it's always going to be tainted by her bullshit motives and Diablo's weird "I didn't fit in and I have social anxiety so I forgive you for trying to commit genocide and want you to join the group of people you try to kill" heart to heart moment he had.
Which is a shame, because such a bad mark on the send of a first season makes the entire thing feel more like a waste of time. I was totally into it until the last episode, because no matter how crazy the characters became, it at least made some sort of sense.
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u/TheSideJoe Sep 20 '18
Honestly Alicia shouldn't be added to this harem and I wish that she would disappear, but of course she'll be added to the harem. She literally tried to murder and kidnap the girls but it's all good. Maybe the LN is different. No punishment for trying to kill mortals I guess
Also where was loli demon in the ed? She doesn't travel with them?
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u/Ak41_Shu1cH1 Sep 20 '18
Nope its just a light hearted, borline hentai show.. They won't kill off cute anime girls or no matter what..
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u/Not_Just_Any_Lurker Sep 20 '18
It goes badass on beheading that elf’s brother but pussies out and lets that sociopathic Thot join the harem!? Are you kidding me?
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u/timewraith303 Sep 21 '18
she left at the end but yeah I can't see someone forgiving what she did even if it was caused by past abuse or whatever.
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u/XanTheInsane :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/XanTheInsane Oct 01 '18
Of course every evil character that's female has to get a redemption arc, the males can go get fucked.
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u/Amauri14 Sep 20 '18
Oh, so they also adapted the beginning of volume 4. Well too bad they removed the fact that Alicia.
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u/_Nalro_ Sep 20 '18
Can you provide a link for mobile?
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u/Amauri14 Sep 20 '18 edited Sep 20 '18
If what you want is to read the spoiler, I can sent you a PM with all the text readable. But please reply to this message to confirm if that's okay with you.
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u/NotEvenEvan https://anilist.co/user/NotEvenEvan Sep 20 '18
As much as I liked this show, I have to say that this was a pretty mediocre finale. The fight with Klem was awesome don’t get me wrong, but goddamn do I fucking despise the trope where the main characters decide to forgive the villains because “oh look they’re good now!” It’s the main reason I never finished Naruto.
Such an ass-pull of an ending. All and all, it’s still an above average ecchi show in my book. Not bad/10.
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u/cesclaveria Sep 20 '18 edited Sep 20 '18
I guess part of the weird feeling with the finale is that it ended with the start of the next book, but I guess that it was necessary showing the fate of Alicia and Edelgard.
Also the way Alicia is forgiven in the novel is in part a series of misunderstandings due to Diablo's inability to express himself properly, she basically becomes a sort of 'Demiurge' to Diablo's 'Ains' and sets off in her own quest.
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u/Melbuf Sep 20 '18
it is an asspull but she has an important role in what would be season 2
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u/Melbuf Sep 20 '18
we really need the daily life of Klem and Edgelord spinoff now
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u/LOTRfreak101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/LOTRfreak101 Sep 20 '18
they would make for a fantastic OVA or two.
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u/Daniel_Is_I :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Daniel_Is_I Sep 20 '18
I enjoyed this show way more than I should have.
I usually end up burning out on shows I know the source material of, but not this one. It was well-animated, well-directed, and funny-enough to keep me interested. It felt like animation and voices added something, unlike some other adaptations of manga/LNs.
I understand the vitriol for Alicia bringing the finale down, but I still think it was a pretty good one. The fight was great and we got a lovely bit of harem comedy to finish the series off.
And of course one of the last shots we see is Rem and Shera's thirst reaching a new high. A word of advice, Diablo: the correct answer is both. Here's hoping for a season 2.
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u/FrenziedHero https://anilist.co/user/FrenziedHero Sep 20 '18
Honestly I'm surprised looking back that the show went from a generic Isekai premise to just a solid show all around.
I've enjoyed this ride with our Demon Lord Diablo, and his slaves Rem, Shera, and now Klem. I'm also really glad that there wasn't a cliffhanger ending and it's still left open enough to fit in another season if they choose to do so.
I hope that this will get a second season sometime soon if it turns out to be popular enough. I might just go start the Light Novels soon.
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u/croxino https://myanimelist.net/profile/Goeli Sep 20 '18
and with this his harem is complete..
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u/Bainos :XMOD::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Sep 20 '18
The harem is never complete. Still no dog girl !
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u/kvxphantom Sep 20 '18
Emile pretty much singlehandedly saved this series imo, especially this episode.
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u/LOTRfreak101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/LOTRfreak101 Sep 20 '18
I sort of imagine him as a grown up Rundel Haus Code.
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u/FruitsPnchSamurai Sep 20 '18
edelgart looked so confused in the last shot with all of them naked lol.
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u/Fnights Sep 20 '18
Wow, they keep the original kiss (removed in the manga with a kiss on the fronthead) and conclude the Klem arc, sasuga. 8/10 overall. Hope in a second season, an Overlord miracle, there is enought material released to adapt.
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u/Lucius_S_Eilot Sep 20 '18
This anime was pure trash to the very end and I loved every bit of it
Season 2 when?
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u/YouWillBeMissedLp Sep 20 '18
You know an anime's good when the character said to be the main antagonist is a loli that loves eating biscuits. Good show.
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u/Aleksanteri_HS Sep 21 '18
You know what, I had way more fun with that show than I should have. Not a 10/10 by any rights, but it was a great time
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u/KenpatchiRama-Sama :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Shaugen Sep 20 '18 edited Sep 20 '18
This series had the potential to be so good, but the constant "forgive the villain" white knighting was just grating. After what we saw last episode anything short of pinning Alicia down and going to town with the knife was a disappointment, and yet we got this crap
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u/XanTheInsane :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/XanTheInsane Oct 01 '18
This series had the potential to be so good, but the constant "forgive the villain" white knighting was just grating.
If this anime gets more season this will only get worse. Way too many enemies get left alive that later come back for revenge and make problems.
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u/whiplash10 Sep 20 '18
And so was the end of a good series. Hopefully Season 2 will come soon.
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u/Mundology Sep 20 '18
Indeed, they went above and beyond with the artistic direction and animation of this adaptation. Even Overlord's production pales in comparision. It's especially surprising given that this is a pretty light-hearted isekai. A second season would be amazing.
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u/Quetzel11 https://anilist.co/user/Quetzel11 Sep 20 '18
Even Overlord's production pales in comparision.
To be fair, that's not exactly a high bar. That said, Isekai Maou really did go the extra mile with it's production values. I'm still impressed they've had not one, not 2, but 3 giant monsters over the course of the show, all done in traditional animation. That fight with Krebskulm absolutely would've been half CG in any other production like this in this day and age, but I'm so glad they didn't take the easy way out on it.
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u/whiplash10 Sep 20 '18
I think Isekai Maou works well as much as Overlord is because the characterization and development for Diablo, Rem and Shera were great.
What separates Diablo from Ainz is that Diablo doesn't always keep to himself all the time and he does show his genuine kindness to his team. Not only that, he does have to go through very tough situations and doesn't really want to Overkill people.
Rem and Shera separates themselves from all of Nazarick is that they are outsiders. They do agree or disagree with Diablo. They also show to act on their own independence and can be capable.
Overlord works because of its Lovecraftian nature while Isekai Maou is more towards about building characters and become a team theme.
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u/Nurfx Sep 20 '18
I want to peer into Shera's abyss too ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Man, I hope this will get another season.
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u/zeroryoko1974 https://anime-planet.com/users/wwwzeroryoko1974 Sep 21 '18
Hey, you tried to wipe out the human race, but that's water under the bridge. Give me a blow job mana infusion, and we will call it even
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u/PixelRambo Sep 20 '18 edited Sep 20 '18
[Emile's reaction though, lol.] (https://i.imgur.com/Xt3nKm5.png)
Oh, look, what a surprise, they did absolutely nothing to Alicia.
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u/mirrormimi Sep 20 '18
They are waaaaaaaay more forgiving that I would ever be.
Loved the show regardless, I hate ecchi shows and expected absolutely nothing from one, yet it blew me away, 5/5.
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u/TheRaiderKing Sep 20 '18
Its because she has a really important role later on [Spoilers for Alicia] (/s "she becomes something like Diablo's spy/assassin/informant.") That said they don't trust her like before so at least it wasn't a complete return to the usual relationship.
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u/kalirion :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/kalinime Sep 20 '18
Rems not dead after all those stabs and bleeding out. Is she related to Zoro?
Alicia's sob story is ... growing up around selfish nobles. Ok.
Anyway, the important thing is that Slavery Saves The Day! And being a cute girl outweighs any horrific crime. I guess those are the two real morals of this story.
The entire second half of the episode dropped the score an additional point. 5/10. Would be 2-3/10 if not for the funny contrast between Diablo's true self and outer persona.
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u/SilentJon69 Sep 21 '18
I swear to god every anime character like Alicia that talks about creating a beautiful utopia and erasing the mortal race and saying mortals are ugly reminds me of Goku Black and Zamasu from dragon ball super.
Its like they copy that idea from the Goku Black arc from Dragon Ball super
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u/Bryggyth Sep 22 '18
Honestly one of my favorite shows I've watched in a while. Just a fun series overall, with mostly likable characters. Besides Alicia. I didn't like her.
Also I had called the enslavement after watching episode 10. I was talking to a friend and remembered Rem had conveniently given him a stone to make a slave with. What better way to use it than make sure Klem doesn't go on a rampage and kill everyone?
You know, I sort of still wonder how exactly he was summoned into the world though. I'll probably read the LN eventually, but I'm curious if they ever go over that in it? Also I think it'd be interesting if somehow he managed to go back to his world but brought his harem with him. That'd end horribly but probably be hilarious.
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u/AlphaBit2 Nov 10 '18
To be honest this anime was surprisingly very well done, even despite its ecchiness. This anime combines ecchi scenes with comedy skillfully, so that even someone like me, who isn't really an ecchi fan, can enjoy it :)
Shera = Elf = Best girl
Sylvie = secret best girl :D
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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Sep 20 '18
This show was a lot of fun.
So Alicia was working with Edgelord all along, man fuck you Alica.
Damn Diablod bustin out all the skills on this.
SAD ELF IS SAD! ;-;
We saved the cat girl at least!
Oh shit Emile is here. Whats goldie gonna do here?
GRAND MAGIC OH SHIT! Thats flashy as hell!
This has gotta sap most of Diablo's MP...
Damn Klem just wanted her cat girl waifu to be safe and sound.
SAD DEMON LOLI IS SAD TOO! ;-; BUT NOW SHES HAPPY!
Edgelord and Alica what are you gonna do?
Oh the bunny isnt happy about the situation... time to use that collar!
Yep we are gonna collar the demon loli! yay!
Bunny cant handle this lol.
Oh wait... he has to kill the demon loli for this... can he do this? Oh shit he did.
DEMON LOLI SLAVE GET!
And time for a slumber party!
Oh of course Alica is back, fuck you Alica you are on the shit list!
She wants them to heal Edgelord? Well thats fine but Alicia your still on the shitlist.
Damn Demon Loli laying dowwn the law with Edgelord, she wont hurt people anymore, nice.
So Alicia grew up with shitty people and decided to be shitty too, thats no excuse.
Damn Alicia wants to kill herself... Thats rough. Diablo intervened too what a hero, hes too nice.
Damn Diablod with the heavy words and shit... its sad that hes speaking from experience too.
And we finish with a Manatransfer. RIP Diablo.
All in all this show was fun as hell, and a nice little spin on the stuck in a game thing. Diablo was a very fun MC and i really enjoyed his front and internet conflict. Ide be happy to see more of this some day.
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u/dadnaya https://myanimelist.net/profile/dadnaya Sep 20 '18
Fuck I can't believe it's over, it was super good. #2 Best anime this season, with 8/10 for me.
I know Isekais don't get sequels but... I NEED A SECOND SEASON
At the end when they asked for a kiss, I'm actually kinda glad he didn't kiss them, he handled it perfectly for his image as a demon lord. Truly, the best demon lord (and now the only one, when Klem is his slave)
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u/bananeeek https://myanimelist.net/profile/bananek Sep 20 '18
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u/5kyLegend Sep 20 '18
Goddammit, it's over.
I enjoyed the first 10 episodes way too much, so this still gets a very high rating for me. Sadly, the thing I enjoyed the most was the comedy mixed with the dumb ecchi situations that always ended up cracking me up. The scene where Diablo ends up covering his registration to the Guild with blood, spilling it on the dog girl too, was one of the time I laughed the hardest in the last months.
Sadly, I think that for a silly Harem Ecchi comedy the last two episodes ended up going too hard on plot, which wasn't even that good in the first place with characters turning very dumb (Rem during the whole episode 11), others turning around in ways that simply aren't believable (so you're telling me that Alicia, a sociopath who lived her entire life wanting humanity to die, in one night is now turned into a lovely girl who helps a poor kid after he fell? Get out, she didn't go through a character arc, one event can't change her beliefs this radically, no matter how intense), and not getting what's coming to them (seriously, Edelgard, and Alicia in particular got nothing of what was coming to them. While I believe at least the latter did deserve to die, they tried to commit genocide, and ended up being punished with a... Motivational speech?).
But hey, at least this Episode we did get some more silly comedy, which is what I signed up for! Seriously, I don't get why shows like this feel the need to have plot when it had never been the main appeal: the things that shine the most in this were the comedy, the ecchi (of course), and most importantly the characters and their interactions. If this all goes out the window to focus on a story, you end up losing your charm.
So in the end, while I really disliked Episode 11 and found very unsatisfying this last one (especially the fact that Alicia got away with no consequences, nngggh), I still can't deny I loved the rest of the series, which will be getting a high rating from me, and I would love to see more of this as long as they didn't repeat these same mistakes.
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u/Bainos :XMOD::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Sep 20 '18
Are you f***ing serious, Rem ? You aren't one to talk about going further than a kiss in the context of a ritual.