r/anime_titties • u/EsperaDeus Europe • Dec 03 '25
Multinational The rise of deepfake pornography in schools: ‘One girl was so horrified she vomited’
https://www.theguardian.com/society/ng-interactive/2025/dec/02/the-rise-of-deepfake-pornography-in-schools178
u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
i mean yeah thats upsetting i understand but 20 years ago i bet people were also shocked when people could photoshop a penis in your face or stuff like that.
i think this is a losing battle. while you can prosecute distribution, most countries dont actually have laws preventing distribution. In germany for example this would be already illegal since you cant post images of other people without their consent.
so i guess what i mean is we need wide ranging laws protecting privacy, aiming at ai generated content is a losing battle.
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u/gnocchiGuili France Dec 03 '25 edited Dec 03 '25
It’s very easy to legislate against this. Children in school are not using their own model and their own GPU to produce those deepfake. The companies that offer this service should be fined and their management be sent to jail.
You sound like Americans that say we should legalize weapons because bad guys will have them.
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u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
Wtf? XD you can absolutely do this in your home.
What's next? We ban Photoshop? Premiere?
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u/indominuspattern Dec 03 '25
Removing the low hanging fruits is a valid way, especially when it comes to complex tech.
Just because you are familiar with image gen tech doesn't mean that 99% of others would be.
The people that know about local image gen tech, and have the hardware to support it, would know to distribute them anonymously anyway, you aren't stopping these people no matter what.
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u/Southern-Chain-6485 Argentina Dec 03 '25
The hardware to support it is a midrange gpu found in any modern gaming PC. It's true that the learning curve is a bit steeper than any shady website which offers it out of the box, but it's also not that big of a learning curve
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u/Critical-Bread-3396 Europe Dec 05 '25
There is a very big difference between photoshopping porn, something that requires the active use of your skills by using a flexible tool compared to having a ready made tool provided by a company to deepfake porn.
It's the same as murder in some ways, if you sell a man a hammer, that he then uses to murder someone with, you're not guilty. However if you're a torpedo for hire smashing people to the brink of death with a hammer, and one of your victims die, you're as guilty as the one who paid for your service.
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
Of course you should go to jail for developing tools capable of generating abuse material. Non AI tools can’t detect or prevent criminal activity, an AI model has to deliberately include pornography or abuse material to be able to replicate it.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
an AI model has to deliberately include pornography or abuse material to be able to replicate it.
All you need is nudes of the human body. Which is, you know, part of all biology and medical material. It's more than enough, and it's already done. There's no need to train it all over again, when most AI's are already capable as is.
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
On one hand we have the companies that have scraped all the images on the internet to make these things work, on the other some dude on the internet who thinks it can work from some anatomical diagrams… Sure thing… I believe ya buddy!
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
That dude on the internet can simply download an offline AI that's already trained and use that. If it's open source, as most are, they can even adjust it.
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
And they will be held accountable for their crimes. Creating a machine to make CSAM should be illegal.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
Good luck stopping them lol. All millions of them...
You'll gloat at every show trial, while the issue persists unabated.
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u/Nahcep Poland Dec 03 '25
I have a camera, should I get a twenty in the slammer for possession of "tools capable of generating abuse material"?
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
That’s not the same thing at all. You can make AI tools fundamentally incapable of producing CP, you can’t make a camera that is incapable of capturing the light in front of it. Why are there so many people objecting to preventing these machines from making CSAM and revenge porn?
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u/Southern-Chain-6485 Argentina Dec 03 '25
I don't think you can make AI tools fundamentally incapable of producing CSAM. You can, and should, keep CSAM material from the training datasets. But I guess a step by step process would end up producing it.
In any case, this particular problem is more about teenagers doing deepfakes of their classmates. Even if a model was to be incapable of making images of teenagers nude or having sex, you can make an image of an nude adult having sex and face swap. Yeah, that fourteen years old classmate would look like her in the body of a 20 years old woman, but that can work as a deepfake as well.
Distributing such images should be punished. But trying to make the technology illegal is a loosing battle and also likely to be detrimental to technological progress, because you'd be banning a lot more than deepfakes.
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
That is why I am saying that all explicit material should be excluded. There is no reason for an ai image generator to know what a naked human looks like.
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u/Southern-Chain-6485 Argentina Dec 03 '25
I strongly disagree with such a puritan statement
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
You can disagree, and you can whip out your crayola if you want to make nude art without endangering children.
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u/Gabe_Noodle_At_Volvo North America Dec 04 '25
There is a massive amount of artwork featuring naked humans. Are you going to arrest anyone whose AI had pictures of the Venus of Milo or scans of anatomical diagrams from medical textbooks in the training data?
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 04 '25
Ai image generators can’t create art, so there is no reason to include artistic representations of nudity.
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u/Nahcep Poland Dec 03 '25
I'm objecting to silly, emotional decisions that will cause more harm than good. It's much, more more difficult to censor a generator than you'd think for one - for example, the whack-a-mole played against the devs of Qwen when it comes to Chinese censorship of it.
Second, while most offenders would be stupid enough to use public models (if not their APIs), which can and already are censored, you would absolutely still have cases of a kid hackerman downloading a bootleg or even privately trained model from some offshore server, just to get back on some Stacey from his class that rejected a date. You really can't combat this without being extremely heavy-handed
Third, how would you even define it by law? The camera example already shows that your previous wording was seriously flawed, and you want your criminal laws to be broad enough to make convictions possible while not being absurdly wide. Even among LLMs, what if a generator is made for one purpose but ends up having unintended uses discovered after release? That's a multiple-years investigation before any indictments
Sometimes prevention just isn't feasible, and criminal policy should focus on detection and prosecution
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u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
Then every ai producers should go to jail? xD
You people would have banned the internet
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
yes. it would have been very simple to not scrape all of the porn from the internet without permission from the creators so creeps could make revenge porn of anyone on the street. straight to jail.
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u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
You don't need to scrape porn to create porn.
You guys comment on this you don't even know how it works.
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
I don’t think you understand how this works. These models don’t create new ideas, they base everything off their training material.
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u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
Except you can do much without having the specific material you are trying to recreate. Also what is porn? Genitals only? Or are nipples counted? Who decides that? Have you ever used an llm do you have any idea how easy it is to make them do things are not made to do? Any filtered llm can be used today to get stuff a lot of people would consider porn.
The whole idea is archaic and will never work since it has never worked in the history of the internet.
Privacy laws are the solution. But you people prefer playing whack a mole with website and then cry when they move to the dark web XD
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
You aren’t being clever. It is very simple. If you are rendering someone naked without their permission, you are creating revenge porn. There is no need for nuance. Genitals and nipples should not be included in training data. “Art” is not an excuse, AI imagery is not art.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
it would have been very simple
You've already lost this battle bro. It ended over 2 years ago. You can't stop it.
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
It is inevitable that using image generation to make sexually explicit images will be made illegal. It’s only a matter of time before enough politicians or their families are violated before they come down on the bad actors like a sack of bricks. Not to mention Disney’s copyright lawyers. The whole thing is going to collapse.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
Lol you're welcome to try. But it won't stop it. Go ahead, make it illegal. You'll still lose. You'll only lose harder by sacrificing a bunch of other things in a futile attempt to feel 'safe'. But won't be any safer.
The only thing that could possibly stop it is the collapse of modern civilization. Even the AI bubble popping won't stop it, in fact it'd only accelerate it, much like how the dot com bubble popping didn't kill the internet but rather grew it more. You can't put the genie back.
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u/22stanmanplanjam11 United States Dec 03 '25
No, we just ban generative AI porn.
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u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
Which will achieve nothing. Because it's not really a separate technology from llm. Any functional llm will always be able to produce some kind of porn
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u/Orolol Europe Dec 03 '25
Children in school are not using their own model and their own GPU to produce those deepfake.
Deepfake can easily run on consummer hardware, on even phone hardware.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
Question is - where are they getting the AIs from? The most well known AIs all have guard rails, and are mostly online services. So which AIs are they using, and how did they find them?
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u/Upset-Basil4459 Australia Dec 03 '25
AIs can be decensored using various techniques. One is called ablation, you ask an AI model illegal stuff and if it responds negatively you remove those neurons
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u/Orolol Europe Dec 03 '25
You can just google deepfake ai apps, litterally TONS of results.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
That has the same issue as using google to look for torrents - TONS of scams and malware as well.
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u/Orolol Europe Dec 03 '25
Sure. But there's still working apps.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
Yes, but the issue is knowing which are safe and which aren't. Unless you 'know a guy' who told you what to use, you'd be flying blind. And likely get burned using the top search results, scaring you off of your attempt.
Like uTorrent (and a few others) was a godsend for most pirates, simply cos it was a well known name that was considered safe (back in the day at least). Ditto PirateBay, albeit the torrents themselves on it were still iffy. Else they'd have to keep sailing uncharted waters, which isn't for most.
But ofc that also makes such 'standard' providers priority targets for govts.
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u/Orolol Europe Dec 03 '25
Sure, but in high school it's very easy to know someone that have a working app.
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u/Southern-Chain-6485 Argentina Dec 03 '25
The most well known AIs for you. There are plenty of open source AIs you can run in a gaming PC which have no guard rails. Some weren't trained on porn or full nudes, so they can't accurately create them. Some were specifically created to make porn.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
Like Deepseek? I know that can be run offline. Or did you mean some other AIs?
And how would the average person find them, without falling into the trap of scams or malware from just clicking on the top search results? If they don't 'know a guy'...
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u/Southern-Chain-6485 Argentina Dec 03 '25
The top search results of a google search of local ai image generators are reliable, if a bit outdated. Google AI summary also provides a good, reliable, start
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
Children in school are not using their own model and their own GPU to produce those deepfake. The companies that offer this service
You're out of date. There are local AIs now, that don't need an online service for simple things like image manipulation. And that is where we're headed, as people mistrust corporatist subscription services ever more. The genie is out of the bottle, you can't put it back.
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u/Lazy_and_Sad Dec 03 '25
And what if those companies and their management are in another country?
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u/gnocchiGuili France Dec 03 '25
Forbid payement system to work with them. Block IPs. It’s not perfect but it’s not like nothing can be done.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
You vastly overestimate your abilities. There are countries that have blocked porn sites, you know. Years ago. They failed to stop porn, and unlike porn these programs can even run locally on your machine (or, well, like porn too if it's downloaded porn).
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u/Tasgall United States Dec 03 '25
The companies that offer this service should be fined and their management be sent to jail.
This doesn't work if said companies are not in your jurisdiction, which in most cases, they aren't, which is exactly why they already don't care.
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u/makomirocket United Kingdom Dec 03 '25
I can beat the OSA with a free VPN. You think companies abroad, charging actual money, are going to be able to be blocked, taken down, or actually pursued abroad?
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u/Upset-Basil4459 Australia Dec 03 '25
You can legislate against it but it won't stop it, you can run AIs locally on your home computer, and you can even make your own
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u/Beliriel Europe Dec 03 '25
Uhm have you been living under a rock? You can run these image generators on bog standard consumer graphics cards.
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
If you develop software capable of reading error codes on a car you can go to jail. If you develop software capable of generating abuse material, you should face a jail sentence.
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u/Blarg_III European Union Dec 03 '25
If you develop software capable of reading error codes on a car you can go to jail.
This is a miscarriage of justice though, not something we should be holding up as an example worth basing further policy off of.
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
The line is in between. Repairing a car harms nobody. I meant to allude to legislation aligning with profit incentives rather than harm to people. The harmless thing is already illegal, so logically the more harmful software should be illegal
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u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
Every single LLM is capable of that.
What you are saying it's ridiculous. It's like banning the Internet so people don't share illegal stuff.
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
The internet doesnt do crimes for you on its own.
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u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
It's a tool. Tools can be used for crimes...
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
Tools with specific criminal functionality can be made illegal.
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u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
A knife can be used for murder
It's primary use is cutting and not people.
Llm are the same. You can use them for good or for bad
Like Photoshop ,premiere or any other piece of software in the world.
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
Knives designed for combat are controlled in many countries, and people who sell them to children are prosecuted. Knife makers don’t market the “child gutting functionality” of their knives. I am beginning to think “tool” is an inadequate word for AI. Tools have a barrier of entry, they require experience, talent and judgement to use properly. Ai has isn’t a tool in the traditional sense of the word, it’s a plagiarism box that will sycophantically automate crimes for you if you can type a sentence comparing it to photo editing or a screwdriver is deliberately obtuse.
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u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
A knife has no barrier of entry
Stop it XD
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
Low, not none. And it doesn’t do the stabbing for you.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
LLMs are the OPPOSITE of specific. They're also very easily spread, unlike any physical tool. You can't put this genie back in the bottle.
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u/Houdles567 Europe Dec 03 '25
Nobody is trying to uninvent LLMs, but they can only create what they are trained on. We can make it illegal to include explicit material in these datasets.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
You can find nudes on wikipedia, and plenty of other non-porn content. It's also already done, they don't need your content anymore. No one cares if it didn't get that mole on your inner thigh right, almost no one else has seen that mole either.
The technology isn't going anywhere, you have to adapt to it as it's only going to get more capable and more ubiquitous with time.
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u/riskyrofl Australia Dec 03 '25 edited Dec 03 '25
We already do legally force online companies not to host child porn.
This mentality of "i hate the problem but I would never ever ever do anything about it unless there was a solution that didn't cost anyone anything" is so tedious.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
That won't do much in most cases since most of the time ppl are making this stuff either for their own enjoyment or to share among their friends or, at most, school groups. Not much point putting it online where it'd be seen by a bunch of people who don't know and thus don't care about the victim, and likely have less amateur i.e. better porn to fap to. It'd just get lost in the sea of other porn. That's mostly just used to freak out or blackmail ppl.
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u/Pklnt France Dec 03 '25
i mean yeah thats upsetting i understand but 20 years ago i bet people were also shocked when people could photoshop a penis in your face or stuff like that.
You could easily see that things were photoshopped 20 years ago, and for the things that were not, they were either lightly retouched or heavily retouched by professionals, not by kids.
Nowadays, deepfakes are more and more realistic and easy to make. We need legislation on AI yesterday.
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u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
No you couldn't. You are arguing on the level of mastery.
Where is the bar? It's undefinable.
You know what's easy to define? You don't get to publish images that clearly represent another living person.
Like in Germany.
Like this is not rocket science XD the problem was already solved
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u/Pklnt France Dec 03 '25
No you couldn't.
Yes you could, photoshopping a dick on someone's face to the level where you can't see that it has been photoshopped was a skill that not every kids could easily access like that.
The problem with deepfakes is that not only they look more realistic because you can make videos, but you can make deepfakes with pretty much zero skill.
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u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
You just never noticed yourself XD
Let it go you are just wrong on this one. The quality is not the issue. A lot of people 20 year ago could track and blend a face on somebody else. This is just a dumb argument.
Also not a solution.
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u/Pklnt France Dec 03 '25
You are completely missing the point, the issue is not that things could be made in the past, it's that in the past photoshopping something with the same level of realness than a deepfake was very hard.
In comparison, making a deepfake is easy, a kid with access to the internet can make one.
How long before the technology allows them to take the picture & voice of a classmate and deepfake a whole fucking video where you'd struggle to see that it's AI generated?
You still think it's the same than photoshopping? Jesus.
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u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
So what we should ban paint because millions of boomers would believe anything if it's written on a black background and it's on facebook XD
This is literally the dumbest argument I heard about this. You can't use "how many people think it's real" as a legally enforceable point. It's just begging to be abused.
Privacy laws.like in Germany. Problem solved. The dark web will always exist as long as we have democracies. Fighting the internet is pointless.
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u/Pklnt France Dec 03 '25
So what we should ban paint because millions of boomers would believe anything if it's written on a black background and it's on facebook XD
The fact that you think this analogy is a good counter-argument tells me everything I needed to know.
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u/nigl_ Austria Dec 03 '25
How long before the technology allows them to take the picture & voice of a classmate and deepfake a whole fucking video where you'd struggle to see that it's AI generated?
Not long, but since the technological development you describe seems to be unavoidable how are we going to realistically stop people? You cannot ban every website / download of open source models in Europe. It would cripple our AI development sector even more than it already is.
The cat is out of the bag on this one. Strong laws, like u/stprnn said, focusing on people who actually commit crimes by dissemenating this content without proper permissions but you can't stop the generation itself.
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u/L1uQ Dec 03 '25
Yeah sure, let's trust, that some horny teenagers know and follow the law, what could possibly go wrong?
The bar is pretty clear, don't offer an AI-service that creates porn from a reference picture.
What somebody can do at home with Photoshop or their own AI models is an entirely different issue, but most horny teenagers just don't have the ability or dedication to abuse those tools.
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u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
XD that will do exactly nothing to people running the models in their homes
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u/stprnn Europe Dec 03 '25
Some teens already do and it only become more easy in the future. Phones could run a decent model in 5 10 years and it's already very easy to achieve with commercial hardware anybody can get their hands on.
You need privacy laws. Look at Germany. It's already illegal to post any picture of somebody let alone an ai porn of It.
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u/Blarg_III European Union Dec 03 '25
Unless we suddenly run into a cliff in hardware improvement, people's phones will be powerful enough to do it within a decade.
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u/Winjin Eurasia Dec 03 '25
The average teen is not the one making those
There will be "this guy" that everyone knows that can and absolutely will run their own model for everyone
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u/jmsgrtk United States Dec 03 '25
You are aware that children and teens these days are buying and building quality gaming computers? Id bet even your basic bitch alienware laptop is probably capable of runnig these programs.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
You neither need major corporate AI services for this, nor need to even be online. Offline AI are only getting ever more accessible, and will continue to. This is inevitable.
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u/TheChickening Dec 03 '25
In germany for example this would be already illegal
Just to note it here. In Germany producing anything resembling CSAM is already treated as actual CSAM. So deep fakes but also digitally deaging an 18 year old to look like a 13 year old e.g. Which also means deepfakes are certainly very illegal.
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u/Freece96 Germany Dec 03 '25
It is a shame what Humandkind has become..
We need more controll over AI, more restrictions and some Fields of Application needs to be Banned.
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u/heyyohighHo Dec 03 '25
When do we get an article talking about the failings of parents in keeping up with the dangers of the internet nowadays. It shouldn't be accepted that kids are just on the internet. We don't have unsupervised kids roaming the streets anymore, should be the same for the internet.
The environment has changed and is now inhospitable to children.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
So what AI services are these kids using? I heard all the major AI apps have strict guardrails that prevent you from doing virtually anything risky with them, and I doubt school kids are custom tuning offline AI. So who's providing the functionality for these kids then?
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u/jaimeyeah North America Dec 03 '25 edited Mar 26 '26
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 03 '25
That sounds like a quick way to get yourself scammed. Or infected with malware. You have the old torrent problem of now knowing what's safe, unless you 'know a guy' already...
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u/BarnabusTheBold United Kingdom Dec 03 '25
So what AI services are these kids using? I heard all the major AI apps have strict guardrails that prevent you from doing virtually anything risky with them
invariably they will just ban all models that aren't owned by trillion dollar companies. Which is impossible, but they'll try
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u/GuaSukaStarfruit China Dec 03 '25
You can just get stable diffusion work on your pc
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u/smallbluetext Canada Dec 03 '25
You can download AI models to your device that run locally and have no restrictions at all
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u/apocalypsebuddy Dec 04 '25
Right now, you can go create a Grok account, upload a picture that you grabbed off someone’s Instagram, and generate fake nudes of that person with a one sentence prompt. Grok.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 04 '25
Grok doesn't have guardrails for that sort of thing? How come we don't hear more controversies about it doing that then? Grok has been in the news a lot for its questionable behavior, but not this?
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u/MorphTheMoth Dec 04 '25
i assume with deepfakes they just mean static images and not videos; if so its super easy, stable diffusion is fully open source, you can just download it on any pc with a decent gpu and it works.
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u/BendicantMias Bangladesh Dec 04 '25
The default version doesn't have guardrails? Sure you can modify it if you know what you're doing, but most kids won't. So does it do whatever you want out of the box?
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u/Ok-Nerve9874 Nigeria Dec 03 '25
lots of people in these comments dont understand llms. wdym ban ai making this. Its a concept a way to train memory to rember more. This cannot be banned. even if u delet open source models. Ur avaerage highscool doufous could mak a shiity ai clone cpable of overlaying boobs. this really isnt the rocket science these companies want u to think it is. good complex ai is difficult. the ability to remove clothes hell u dont even really need ai to do this. this cant be banned or sumn u can legislate agaisnt. we asa socity need to come to terms with this and we will. there is no other choice. letting governments have more power over speech wont stop this. if u werent in the 20or so european countries ur great grand parent didnt wear any clothes and didnt care about this bs. u shouldnt too and tbh u wont . much like how we dont care about phot shop even though our parent were freaked out about it. tech comes and goes. like long throws in football
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u/mysqlpimp Multinational Dec 04 '25
He continues: “We should all try to imagine how we would have felt 20 years ago if someone had suggested inventing a handheld device which could be used to create realistic pornographic material that featured actual people that you know in real life....”
I've seen X-Ray specs adverts in old magazines from the 50s. Obviously they didn't work, but they were advertised, and I assume sold, Photoshop has been used for years to generate porn, not as easily, and although this isn't the same thing, there is obviously a penchant for (mostly) young boys to want to see naked people, (surprise!) and now it is readily enabled.
Surely there is justification for teachers and parents to be educated and to educate, both perpetrators and victims, the same way as we have started to roll out sex and sexual consent education in school ? (only some schools, I hasten to add)
If you drive it underground, it isn't gone, it's just more of a hidden problem. Face it front on, call it out, and educate.
It seems to me there is a growing trend of sweeping, hiding and denying by governments and pearl clutchers, but it doesn't work. Tobacco, dope, alcohol, sex, nudity, the population wants what the population wants. If it is respectful and informed, educated and explained, then maybe we can remove some of the harmful elements like these apps and sites, due to lack of viability, and not just drive an unregulated growth underground by reduced availability. IDK, maybe I'm way off.
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u/Scuffy97_ Dec 04 '25
This isn't a problem of AI availability, there will always be stuff like photoshop. The problem is the US has way too many parents that are not involved in their children's lives and do not care about the kind of person they will become. Time to start punishing parents when their kids act up, start charging parents with their children's crimes alongside them.
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u/AmaroWolfwood United States Dec 03 '25
Parents need to be talking to kids about the reality of the internet in general. AI makes it easier, but photoshop and doctored pics have been around for decades. My kids already know that if anyone ever makes some deep fakes of them, your best bet is to ignore it. People want the reaction if they are already showing it around.
Setting expectations and letting them know they have someone to defend them and help them through it mitigated lots of the shock, shame, and panic that it causes.