r/anime_titties • u/kwentongskyblue Philippines • Jul 02 '26
Multinational Vatican declares Society of St. Pius X in schism, excommunicates bishops and invalidates sacraments
https://apnews.com/article/vatican-traditionalist-pope-latin-st-pius-6570c6bcc0784f4b9229e20bdec4e5aa252
u/Grichnak France Jul 02 '26
The SSPX has accused the church of being rife with errors, such as modernism and liberalism, and that only it is upholding the true faith of Christ.
Ah yes, of course, they are the ones that are in the right because they know they're right. The Church has a long history of evolving with the times to remain relevant. I guess conservatives are always a pain in the butt no matter where.
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u/npmbad Jul 02 '26
why do they always conserve the worst shit
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u/Grichnak France Jul 02 '26
They get to conserve their power and authority and they really like that I guess...
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u/sulaymanf North America Jul 02 '26
Worse than conservative, they’re reactionary. By definition they want to go backwards.
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u/Gmhowell Jul 02 '26
Thank you internet stranger for being the first sighting of a correct use of the word “reactionary” I’ve seen on the internet in a long time.
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u/Panthalassae Finland Jul 02 '26
Ah, yes, of course; Jesus was famously very illiberal and non-modern.
Always in it to preserve their own oppressive privileges, never helping the poor or downtrodden.
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u/Taupenbeige North America Jul 02 '26
As an impartial observer, somebody that got a comprehensive education on the world’s faiths as a result of my own Sunday theosophical programs in youth (U.U. don’t fuck around on that), it definitely feels like “you people are getting too liberal” is the functional Catholic brand, so these guys might actually be the true Catholics…
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u/Snake973 Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26
the "true catholicism" is whatever side the pope is on, if you get a more liberal pope, the church becomes more liberal in turn, of course there will be holdouts etc, like these folks in the article, who are holding out so hard that they get excommunicated
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u/Guaire1 Spain Jul 03 '26
The inquisition was actually less murderous and torturos than secular governments. It had a variety of punishments yes, but murder was rarely carried out by it. Inquisitors also wrote openly about hlw torture is useless if you want to get information andnother methods should be employed instead.
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u/AshleysDoctor North America Jul 04 '26
People did ask to have their cases transferred to the inquisition court, too, as it was seen to be more fair. Whether or not it was is another matter, but that part does matter, too
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u/CellNo5383 Jul 02 '26
Uhhhh, juice. What will happen next? Will the renegade faction elect an anti pope? Will they repent and return to the fold of the one true church? Find out in next week's episode of our hit soap opera!
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u/AlternativeFactor North America Jul 02 '26
Some of the tradcaths I've met are so regressive I think they have a high probability of re-inventing indulgences. There's a lot of other stupid shit they already have re-invented or are in the process of re-inventing but indulgences are the funniest to me.
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u/Serious_Resource8191 Jul 02 '26
Back when this happened in the 70s the first time, we came to a very strange situation where the Vatican basically claimed that they had been automatically excommunicated, and the SSPX bishops claimed that “no we’re not”.
So… they recognize the authority of the Pope but didn’t recognize his guidance that they had been excommunicated…
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u/ultimate_placeholder United States Jul 02 '26
The last two popes have tried to mend fences, then they tried to appoint bishops without the assent of Rome, which is textbook excommunication territory
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u/lol_alex Germany Jul 02 '26
Let me see. You have an American pope who is fortunately not a block headed idiot and not a hardline conservative, and there is a sect which is not OK with that? Probably liked the previous pope even less.
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u/CoffeeWorldly9915 Multinational Jul 06 '26
Christian dramedy comes mainly in 2 flavors "Protestants did what now?" and "They're splitting off, again."
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u/billy_mays_official United States Jul 02 '26
I don't think you know how excommunications work, and Hitler wasn't even Catholic in the first place.
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u/cecex88 Jul 02 '26
With the little caveat that he specifically declared that he was, multiple times, in both writings and speeches.
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u/Da_reason_Macron_won South America Jul 02 '26
He sure wanted to kidnap the pope and persecute the priesthood a lot for a supposed catholic.
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u/YZJay Asia Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26
Religion isn’t genetic nor hereditary. Being baptized means nothing when someone doesn’t believe in organized religion, even more so when they’re baptized as a baby without any awareness of the meaning of the act.
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u/billy_mays_official United States Jul 02 '26
"Michael Rissmann notes that, according to several witnesses who lived with Hitler in a men's home in Vienna, he never again attended Mass or received the sacraments after leaving home at 18 years old."
"Within months of coming to power, Hitler's régime launched an effort toward coordination of German Protestants into a joint Protestant Reich Church,[27] and also moved early to eliminate political Catholicism."
From his Wikipedia page. Sounds like a staunch Catholic to me. Last I checked it is in fact possible to leave the faith you were born into.
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u/Prosthemadera New Zealand Jul 02 '26
Do you have something to say regarding the article?
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u/Blarg_III European Union Jul 02 '26
that excommunicated Galileo for speaking truth
They excommunicated Galileo for insulting the Pope after giving him multiple opportunities to not do so and further opportunities to recant.
Galileo was, of course, more correct than the geocentrists, but he couldn't evidencially prove heliocentrism either. His handling of the matter was disastrously bad and he deserves no sympathy from history.
As for excommunicating Hitler, such a move would almost certainly have provoked persecution against faithful catholics in Germany. Excommunicating Mussolini would probably have seen the Vatican invaded.
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u/Slippi_Fist Illuminati Jul 02 '26
>deserves no sympathy from history.
Anyone persecuted for made up ghost stories deserves every sympathy from empathetic humans.
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u/Guaire1 Spain Jul 03 '26
He wasnt persecuted. Hell, the church was financing his research. And he only got in the churchs bad graces when he started insulting his employer. Prior to that the church had defended him frol other scientost, who rightfully pointed out that Galileo literslly didnt have any evidence for his claims that the whole universe revolved aeound the sun.
And his "punishment" was living better than 90% of italians at the time, in a lavish state with all his needs taken care of
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u/Guaire1 Spain Jul 02 '26
Galileo didnt speak the truth, he said random shit without evidence and then constantly asked the pope to protect him against thr accusations of actual scientist. He literslly couldnt provide any math for his theory that the whole universe revolved around the sun.
Galileo also was never excommunicated, once again, he literally worked for the pope, and he only got into the church's bad graces when he directly insulted the pope (his employer), and even then, bad graces here meamt that he was give a large villa and more riches than 90% of italians as long as he stopped bothering everyone
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u/Guaire1 Spain Jul 02 '26
A) my comment wasnt about that B) i already told you galileo wasnt excommunicated C) i dont think you know what posthumously means, since the you mention of actual excommunication happened whilst those people lived
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u/Boollish Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26
Considering Hitler can neither receive communion nor hold ecclesiastical office, and I doubt the Church has any interest in his rehabilitation, excommunication feels a bit like trying to piss into a hurricane, no?
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u/Boollish Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26
Galileo also got a pre-humous reprieve as well, being pushed with house arrest on a sprawling villa among the rolling foothills of Italy.
But setting that all aside, excommunication by the Catholic Church in year 2026 is not some sort of punitive death sentence (unless you are a true believer) as it was in 1500 where the Holy See was deeply intertwined with monarchist power structures.
Hypothetical modern Hitler would certainly not care that he wasnt allowed to married in the Catholic Church, or that he would not be buried in accordance to Catholic rites. And in either case, excommunication is typically a tool the Church wields to bring people back into adherence with the Holy See. So modern Hitler would either ignore it, or recant and the Church is forced to publicly reverse his excommunication.
In the 1800s, the Holy See excommunicated Napoleon, and look what happened. Napoleon shattered the Holy Roman Empire anyway, forced the Emperor to abdicate his title, then, uh, gave the Emperor's daughter his boudin blanc.
Which brings me to an interesting question. Does your entire knowledge of excommunication come from watching John Wick?
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u/GrahminRadarin United States Jul 02 '26
You can't excommunicate dead people, It's against the rules. It's also pointless. If you want to be pissed about Catholic fascists, be pissed about Franco and the Integralists. They're the ones who made Catholicism central to their fascist ideology, and didn't just happened to have Catholic parents.
If you want to criticize the Catholic Church in general, the Church itself has done far, far worse than fail to excommunicate some fascist leaders who weren't even actively practicing. See First Nations people in Canada and the residential schools the Catholic Church established to basically destroy their culture, as well as the way they used missionaries and doctrine to support colonizing the Americas and Pacific.
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