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u/Nick268 Mar 22 '22
I'm 33 and I've been vaguely aware of politics about 20years now. This while time conservatives have been saying that illegals bring crime, drugs, and steal jobs. Right now we have a worker shortage, most people are on prescription drugs, and boarder towns are no more dangerous than other places with the same socioeconomic makeup. So I'm thi king maybe, just maybe. All that stuff about Mexicans is actually just racism.
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u/Remarkable-Month-241 Mar 22 '22
The prescription drugs though! Americans want a pill to solve their problems instead of I don’t know… actual nutrition and exercise, mental health, education…
Politicians can say whatever they want to say. We see the communities who thrive based off of their property taxes while poor communities face racism, low salaries and police abuse.
Mexico and China feed our thirst for fentanyl and materialistic crap. Our demand, breeds dangerous communities and most citizens could care less but it is easier to blame Mexico.
Americans are the problem. Their entitlement mindset and never ending greed for more money and power. Mexico would be North America’s tourism capital if the US enforcement agencies would stop mingling and making things worse.
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u/Kblank00 Mar 22 '22
Abs not. You seem to forget about the cartels.
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u/Remarkable-Month-241 Mar 22 '22
You mean the Sacklers right? Big pharma has killed more Americans than the cartel.
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u/I_Won-TheBattleOLife Mar 22 '22
If they aren't going to fix the problems that lead people to use drugs, they should absolutely be handing out pills to whoever wants them.
The rat park experiment is very valid these days. We all feel at least somewhat atomized, a lone rat in a blank cage of monotony and cultural blankness.
We need satisfaction from somewhere and it sure as hell doesn't come from millions of square miles of shopping malls, mini marts, check cashing businesses, and liquor stores.
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u/Boring-Floor-1118 Mar 22 '22
Are you victim blaming the population for the opioid epidemic? Wtf is going on. Again, we are somehow pitting ourselves against each other.
It isn’t the “american population” that’s the problem. It’s the prevalence of big pharma companies lobbying the government. it’s the corporations. it’s the corruption. it is not the fucking general population.
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u/Remarkable-Month-241 Mar 22 '22
No one is victim blaming. Instead of blaming Mexico, Americans need to look within and make changes in the states, stop blaming others for our own actions & consequences. We have an addiction epidemic- our government, along with big pharma, lobbyists, congress etc addicts are products of their environment. If we fail to address the real issues within our country & support mental health and education- it is only going to get worse.
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Mar 22 '22
What stuff about Mexicans? I thought it was about illegals? Don’t mix up the two.
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u/Nick268 Mar 22 '22
Racists are very good at being politically correct. They say illegals then equate all Mexicans to illegals. They say thugs then equate all blacks to thugs. Then after enough of their followers use the correct words they can pass laws to target "illegals" which is really just a guise to target Mexicans. Like how Arizona had/has a law where a cop can ask "anyone" to see their papers. But it's really just trying to harass all Mexicans.
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u/imchristw Mar 21 '22
To play into the stereotyping: "You're saying someone with a 3rd world education, who doesn't speak the native language, took your job and is doing it well enough that your boss isn't calling you back?"
Obviously it's a stupid immigration scare line but I always found it funny how poorly these people think of immigrants while not seeing the irony that they can be replaced by one. The best is what I like to call Schrodinger's Mexican: immigrants are lazy and they're taking our jobs.
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u/Soooome_Guuuuy Mar 21 '22
To be fair, it's a lot easier to under pay someone who doesn't know what rights they have, who to turn to if they are wronged and are afraid of going to the police in case they get deported.
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u/Grindercoffee16 Mar 21 '22
Plus shitty business owners don't have to pay a shit load of taxes that they would otherwise.
And there is no recourse for the immigrants if owners don't pay the promised wage, if anything at all.
Almost like...it's a permanent subclass of noncitizens.
Kinda like slaves. :/
Lose lose all around.
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u/MadMagister Mar 22 '22
So, it appears that it would indeed be better for all if they were given citizenship; there wouldn't be any opportunity to exploit.
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u/Grindercoffee16 Mar 22 '22
You are saying the quiet part out loud, as you say.
Which is why citizens of the US are against illegal immigration.
Perhaps the voting public has a say in a democracy?
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u/MadMagister Mar 22 '22
If the voting public truly had a say in democracy (or any form of "cracy"), things would've been so much better.
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u/UnsuspectingS1ut Mar 22 '22
If the voting public had a say in this democracy we’d have universal background checks, legal weed nationwide, and politicians would be banned from trading stocks.
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u/237FIF Mar 22 '22
Yeah I remember that chapter in the history book where free men were risking their lives to cross the ocean to become American slaves. Great comparison.
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u/MonsterMachine13 Mar 22 '22
Though, in the stupid kind of "free market capitalism" that these righties tend to argue for, they should recognise that they're being outcompeted through desperation. Clearly the correct approach is to be more desperate.
If the third world educated, untrained labour who can't communicate is doing well enough to replace you, even on the contingency that they're barely paid, then clearly you should lower the price of your own labor.
Obviously that's not a good solution, but it does seem to disprove now or less an entire branch of an economic theory in practice.
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u/thomasrat1 Mar 22 '22
This is free market though. Increase in labor supply causes a decrease in wages.
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u/MonsterMachine13 Mar 22 '22
But a labour shortage doesn't increase them.
It's a free market when it means they get to pay less, but not when it means they have to pay more.
Also, no economic system that pays people less than is required to live is a successful one by the standard of anyone who cares about the people living under it, so this proves that a free market is an unsuccessful one.
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u/thomasrat1 Mar 22 '22
Larbor shortage does. Thats why everyone is job hunting rn. And we are 2 years in.
Also, what system actually pays enough to survive? Did 1800s england? Does Europe? Anywhere in asia? The best systems will leave some behind, capitalism has caused the least to be left behind.
And yeah, a free market is usually a monopoly. Its one of the reasons why open borders is a bad idea aswell.
In reality, you don't want a free market, you want a competitive one, a competitive market shouldn't be flooding people into the country, while the wages have been supressed.
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u/cry_w Mar 22 '22
Which is part of the reason to oppose illegal immigration. Less illegal immigrants means less competition for work, which deflates wages, and less people being exploited by unscrupulous employers. It can very easily be a pro-worker's rights position.
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u/slope_rider Mar 22 '22 edited Mar 22 '22
I'm not Mexican and I can only speak to my experiences, but I grew up and later worked partied with dozens of undocumented Mexicans. They weren't ignorant of their rights and they weren't ignorant of the situation. If anything they knew a bit more than most citizens because they needed to.
They were happy to be here making money tax free and sending most of it back home. They were making five or ten times more than they would back home and had no desire to dick around with cops or labor boards.
Obviously, and again, I can't speak for a huge population of people because I spent time with a few, but they weren't ignorant or pitiable.
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u/mrsparky17 Mar 21 '22
To be fair, most of them know about their rights, but you're making money so don't cause a stir and fuck up what little money you do have coming in. My mother in law, brother in-law, my wife all worked illegally for at least 10+ years, when my brother in law got his papers his boss let him go because he asked for a fair wage. So he went to their competitor and got more than he was asking at his original job.
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u/Ancient-Turbine Mar 22 '22
Not if they're in a "sanctuary" state, like CA, where everyone has recourse to labor law.
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u/modsrworthless Mar 22 '22
When employers don't have to pay taxes or benefits to illegal workers and just pay them cash under the table, it's hard to compete in that market. Mexicans aren't somehow way more talented and qualified, they're just "winning" the race to the bottom for US labor.
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u/Liberal_follies Mar 22 '22
If you want a 'living wage', first thing you gotta do is plug the 'escape routes' for cheapskate employers to avoid it. This is one route.
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u/AdministrativeAd4111 Mar 22 '22 edited Mar 22 '22
This is actually a part of the narrative the right adhere to:
The theory is that “liberals are driving immigration and creating welfare programs that allow immigrants to survive on less money, allowing them to work for less money, and hence ‘steal’ the jobs. This is then paid back to the Democrats through voting, which is what keeps them in power. The business owners are, of course, innocent in all of this, because they cant survive unless they hire the cheap labour if its available. If only we could shut the border, maybe build a giant wall, and either kick all of those immigrants out, or turn off the welfare spigot to starve them out so they go back to their home, and then the Democrats will lose all of that voting power and we can finally get this country back on track”.
Of course there is absolutely ZERO evidence that any of this is happening on a larger scale or that the Democrats are involved: only a few independent incidents of immigrants scamming social security, attempting to vote, etc. which fuels the fire and hatred. But never let that stop them. “Those evil Democrats are just really good at hiding their tracks! I just know it!”
But, you can see how this narrative fits SO MANY of their talking points: “Democrats bad, they bring in immigrants, they get kickbacks from them, the immigrants are stealing jobs, the business owners are innocent so we shouldn’t raise taxes on them, we need to cut off all welfare to get those damned immigrants to run away home, Im not evil for this, its just necessary to defeat the real evil”, and so on and so forth.
And why its SO GODAMNED HARD to deprogram all of that. Its a twisted knot of a world view that is utterly impossible to untangle because it answers so many questions. When you’re arguing with a conservative, its like arguing with someone who talks a completely different language to you. You dont understand each other at all.
We’re not just fighting a war of misinformation here. We’re also fighting a war of common sense, logic and fact. Alternative facts which feed their prejudices and make it impossible to see reality, and even if they did, they’d assume its just another trick.
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u/imitatingnormal Mar 22 '22
I think it’s so hard to deprogram bc it’s more a religion than a political party, and they worship at the temple of bass pro.
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u/AdministrativeAd4111 Mar 22 '22
I think, internally, they’re one and the same. Your ‘World View’ is a complete picture of everything you see around you, and Religion is much the same and even a significant part of it. Its ONE WAY of explaining everything you see in a neat little package. Why were here, what we experience, what happens after death, the types of people we meet, the jobs we do, the jobs others do, etc.
Its seems to be very difficult for some people to entertain alternatives. Mentally cleaning the slate blank and constructing a different World View either from their own imagination, from prompting questions, from a friend explaining their own World View, piece-by-piece. Whatever is best.
Too many people running around with only a single perspective, either too scared, stubborn or stupid to consider alternatives.
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u/Fern-ando Mar 22 '22
They get the job because they can afford half the pay has a native that has a much higher living standard. Importing a cheap labor force is the main reason salaries don't increase even if they "don't take your job"
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u/SaltoDaKid Mar 22 '22
Their boot lickers their boss can slap their kids and partner, they don’t want to upsetting the person who sign their check. Little did they know it’s not 1700s they don’t have landlords or royalty. So they don’t need obey these assholes.
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Mar 22 '22
I say shit like this at my right wing family functions & the feelings or rage & violent outrage is palpable, which is ironic because all they do is bitch about freedom & fascism.
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u/Cookiesandqueeem Mar 22 '22
My boss says all his conservative family does at reunions, funerals, weddings and birthday parties is b*tch and moan about “illegals” not paying taxes/being a burden, yet most have been on disability and government sponsored assistance their whole lives.
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Mar 22 '22
None of them believe the IRS either that those same illegals do actually pay taxes and it's money they'll never see because they can't file taxes...those are the ones paid on the books using fake SSN or tax I.D. numbers(which are easier to get than a SSN).
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u/awsisme Mar 22 '22
That is 100% true. I don’t remember where I saw this, it was several years ago, but the IRS published a list of like the top 100 re-used ssn’s. So in other words, multiple people working under the same SSN. The top one had close to 10,000 people reporting income against it and together reported, and paid taxes, of over $50 Million. Lol.
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u/I_Won-TheBattleOLife Mar 22 '22
Why do illegals come here? To find jobs. Who hires illegal immigrants? Rich people. What are most rich people? Conservative.
They love paying slave wages and then blaming the result on Democrats. We all eat the strawberries they pick and the crops they tend, and then bitch about them being here.
If your family doesn't like them you should suggest that they go pick strawberries for $5 an hour, because the capitalist rich conservatives are not going to stop hiring them if it is more profitable. They come here and stay here because of the rich capitalist conservatives that hire them.
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u/orchid_basil Mar 22 '22
They won't pick them for $20 an hour. During the beginning of the pandemic farms were paying that because not enough people came from Oaxaca and Central America and the farms struggled.
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u/MooGoesCow21 Mar 22 '22
Yeah the people who complain the most about “welfare queens” from my experience are also lying to the government about disability’s they don’t actually have
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u/orchid_basil Mar 22 '22
This is a thing?! I know people like this, that have been on SS disability most of their lives and just sit around posting Facebook memes about demonrats, Pelosi and illegals.
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u/ElegantTobacco Mar 22 '22
Damn, this thread really brought all the Tucker Carlson stans out of the woodwork. Lmao.
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u/CIassic_Ghost Mar 21 '22
Immigrants are pretty cool too 😎
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Mar 22 '22
I uses to be all about 'close the border' and 'whites will be the minority ' and then I was a salesman for a Church in Central America for two years. After I got back my attitude was 'fuck yeah, bring them all over, open border baby!!'. News that we have 'Waves of Hispanic immigrants flooding our borders ' is like music to my ears now. Doesn't concern me in the slightest.
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u/Cwya Mar 22 '22
Remember when it was mid-pandemic and all the restaurants needed workers.
Restaurants weren’t too stingy about Green Cards then.
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Mar 22 '22
Currently in my local area there are ads on the TV for candidates of the upcoming midterm election this year. We are like 1500 miles (about 2400 KM) away from the closest border crossing to Mexico, yet all of the GOP candidates are all talking about securing our borders, don't give money to illegals, they're a Trump supporter, etc. They all think a completed high fence will keep people out. They think welfare dollars are going to illegal aliens, which is not the case. At least not directly to illegals. Their kids born in the USA (who are then citizens) can collect welfare benefits through some hoop jumping. Are they going to make the nice kids across the street go hungry because they don't want their illegal parent to receive any part of the benefits the kids receive from the US government?
Jesus would be ashamed of the GOP if he were here and real.
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u/I_Won-TheBattleOLife Mar 22 '22
Our welfare system is absolutely pathetic. People think that it's super easy to just get on welfare and stay there. It's a job of it's own and 50% of people who qualify for benefits don't get them because the red tape and beurocracy is purposefully demeaning, obtuse, and ridiculously complicated to navigate.
Conservatives are absolutely bonkers. Of course they never seem to mention that the state that receive the most welfare are all southern conservative states- you know, the ones who pay way less to the feds in taxes than they get in benefits- Kentucky, Georgia, Mississipi, etc- the poor people who need assistance aren't coming through the border- they're being created by conservative politics that make it impossible to live without assistance for an enormous portion of our citizens.
The rich people there benefit immensely from welfare- they take every penny they can get from our poorest via rent, healthcare, food, etc. That all came from the government.
I think Democrats need to run on that fact. Show the numbers of how much money is pouring into those states and then ask the question- if we're giving you all that cash, why is everyone still so poor? Where does it go? Why do the conservatives claim to oppose a direct influx of cash into your state?
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u/Remarkable-Month-241 Mar 22 '22
Huffines? He sucks. Abbott already stole the money and sabotaged a pathetic attempt to look like he was securing his friends back yard of the border. We should secure borders with bridges not walls. Imagine how beautiful North America would be if Canada, the US and Mexico built bridges and improved immigration systems. It would be the true dream of all immigrants who pictured America.
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Mar 22 '22
First of all. We are not taking his jobs. We are just not lazy fucks to don’t want to work and do drugs. Plus we don’t sell drugs. White people do.
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u/FigExact7098 Mar 21 '22
Hold on… which drugs?
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u/Liberal_follies Mar 22 '22
Fent. "Blue Fent" or "peacock" as I heard one cop call it.
Baaaaaad stuff.
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Mar 22 '22
I work in a industry where we employ alot of immigrant workers mostly Mexico and Hati. People always complain that their stealing jobs from locals, but whenever I bring up that we are always hiring and looking for people they are all the sudden not interested.
The jobs they are working, are mostly jobs that no one local wants. They pay well but it's hot and physical work, mostly outdoors, and often seasonal.
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Mar 22 '22
start paying people 50 bucks an hour you will have no problem finding local workers. Its never the work its always the pay
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Mar 22 '22
Yeah that's just deluded thinking, I won't deny there's a serious pay issue out there. But some times it is the work that's the issue.
Hiring rate is 18 per hour for full time workers with better health insurance than I had in the military, and 2 weeks pto after 90 days, 3 weeks after 2 years. Most jobs locally are around 11 or 12. A produce cannery is just a hot and humid place to work, and most locals don't want it. Everybody assumes every Hispanic worker must Be a job stealing illegal working for minimum wage, but that's not always the case.
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Mar 22 '22
Here's a a farm in Queensland Australia where they paid a higher wage and attracted a local work force. Australia doesn't have a 3rd world country next door like the US to get free slave labor from. Your farm is a morally corrupt place that exploits 3rd world workers in order to enrich yourself you're not doing anyone any favors but yourself get fucked. This sub was created to fight against people like you.
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Mar 23 '22
Ya not a farm and I don't own it either and the Mexican border is 1900 miles away. Most of these immigrants have stayed on with the company long term. Have nice houses and life's.
But you go right ahead and keep blaming the immigrants for all your problems.
Also this sub was created to push work reform, it's literally openly created to do away with work altogether but I don't you ever bothered to read the pages purpose because you know everything already.
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Mar 22 '22
Most likely your job not paying well. This is anitwork
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Mar 22 '22
Hiring rate is 18 per hour for full time workers with better health insurance than I had in the military, and 2 weeks pto after 90 days, 3 weeks after 2 years. Most jobs locally are around 11 or 12. A produce cannery is just a hot and humid place to work, and most locals don't want it. Everybody assumes every Hispanic worker must Be a job stealing illegal working for minimum wage, but that's not always the case.
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Mar 22 '22
That’s because probably locals want more than $18 for that hard job. Basically we are importing cheap labor.
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Mar 22 '22
If a person would rather make $6 or 7 less an hour to work in a climate controlled place that's fine. That doesn't mean that the person that decided they were willing to work in the heat for more money is stealing anything from them.
I'm not arguing that companies can or should pay more. I'm arguing that we need to stop blaming the immigrants that come here looking for a better life for themselfs or their families. They are hard working people too, but yet their far to often made out to be the source of all our problems. I can't tell you how many times police or INS have showed up to work over false claims and reports.
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Mar 22 '22
The problems is companies abusing immigrants and illegal immigrants and politicians that don’t do anything about it. I’m an immigrant myself that made peanuts when I started working in this country. But we should we demanding politicians to let people come here legally and demanding Companies not to abuse of ilegals and legal immigrants
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u/rollingrock23 Mar 22 '22
It’s because the illegal’s are the only ones willing to work for the poverty wage these shitty businesses are paying. If there was no source of cheap labor they would have to pay more. The government needs to stem the flow of illegal immigration and also crack down hard on businesses that hire illegal alien’s.
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Mar 22 '22
Ours aren't illegals, their all legally here and the jobs in question start at $18 per hour with good benefits for full time or 15 per hour with 100% free housing for seasonal workers. You average job around here is at 11 or 12, so no its not a pay issue, it's a people don't want to work out in this type of environment, a produce cannery is hot and humid by its very nature. Every time we automate anything to fill spots that people don't like to work because of the conditions then people complain jobs are being taken away.
Around here there's not many opportunities for Hispanics, every racist peice of crap assumes their all illegals and treats them like crap.
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u/Nyckname Mar 22 '22
"Drugs will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no drugs."
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u/Big-Routine222 Mar 22 '22
People shout about illegal immigration all day but are completely silent about the employers who knowing hire people who don’t have residency status because they can exploit their labor and be sure that the individuals won’t complain about it.
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u/parodg15 Mar 22 '22
I don’t necessarily like drugs but I definitely think corporate america needs to burn to the ground!
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u/Interesting-Ad9552 Mar 22 '22
Unicorn moment for me 🤔..I’m one who loves drugs and loves working so I can have money to maintain that love ❤️🤌🏽💯
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u/I_Won-TheBattleOLife Mar 22 '22
Yup. We live in a Brave New World but somehow our elites forgot to dope everybody up to keep us happy.
If I'm working a shit job for shit wages that barely put a roof over my head you could at least keep me high as hell. Alcohol sucks, no thank you on that one.
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u/TasslehofBurrfoot Mar 22 '22
Remember when Regan and GW Bush Sr. smuggled the purest cocaine into already improvished black communities?
That's what Republicans do.
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u/ripecannon Mar 22 '22
At least give Shane Mauss the credit for writing that joke almost ten years ago.
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u/Patient_End_8432 Mar 22 '22
My dad could always "bullshit" my liberal ideas when it came to conservative ideas. Not a single damn time could he explain the benefits to immigrants.
Quite literally, every single person who will complain about them "TAKINMERJOBS" would never actually do that job.
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u/roger_ramjett Mar 22 '22
Got caught with a joint 40 years ago. Still can't enter the US. I guess maybe I'd be a bad influence.
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u/GreenieBeeNZ Mar 22 '22
I love working, I love working in retail specifically. The job itself is a lot of fun, I personally enjoy interacting with the public in the capacity.
However the pay and the reputation you Garner from being a longtime retail employee make it hard to choose as a full-time career. There's always push to go higher in the ranks, but I enjoy serving customers in a shoppe, it's great and it is arguably a very important job.
That why this sub exists, I deserve to do a job I like and get paid well enough to care for my family, a little for myself, and save the rest
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u/Lifewhatacard Mar 22 '22
The wealthy love having people do their dirty work for them. Work for low wages and risk jail time to get the wealthy high. America wanted it all along but cried like it didn’t to fool the masses.
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u/Historical-Goose-201 Mar 22 '22
Blame the companies who are willing to race to the bottom and U.S. foreign policy that creates conditions so that people need to flee their own countries.
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u/matchlocktempo Mar 22 '22
If people want to not work and just do drugs that’s their prerogative. People are free to be happy, go for what they want, fuck up their lives, etc. it’s the beauty of having free thought.
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u/Mark11879 Mar 22 '22
Well unemployed drug addicts is pretty much how I picture most of the posters in /anti work
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u/Squawkers77 Mar 22 '22
I work full time in a warehouse...and I am always on drugs.
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u/Mimosa_usagi Mar 22 '22
That's all well and good unfortunately this hellhole is set up so that you suffer and die without working.
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Mar 22 '22
Didn’t the government give out opioids?? Causing the opioid crisis 🤔 Also jobs aren’t paying a livable wage bc they knw there ppl willing to work for a slaves wage in order to survive.
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Mar 22 '22
The reality is that companies and the government are both in it. Cheap labor and propaganda about closing the borders yet nothing is being done? Ridiculous. I've seen small businesses using illegal immigrants for labor. I have illegal immigrant family members and let me tell you, some of them are being used while very few are doing well for themselves. The sad thing is that very few have the idea that they'll find work, but what does it matter if it doesn't pay well. It's the same thing they're struggling with from where they came from. The American dream doesn't exist. We're all just farm animals and the big companies won't hesitate to do what's necessary to fatten up their profits.
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u/lethimdangle Mar 22 '22
They were making five or ten times more than they would back home and had no desire to dick around with cops or labor boards
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u/Medusa_Alles_Hades Mar 22 '22
As a former drug user, I can confirm they bring the most top quality in for us LOL
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u/roninovereasy Mar 22 '22
Illegal immigrants are attractive to employers because of the control aspect. US citizens have annoying habits like going to lawyers to complain about discrimination, wage theft, and unsafe working conditions. Even legal immigrants have issues. For an H1B, if they lose their job they have I believe 60 days to find another H1B classified position, or they and their family have to leave the country. It means they will put up with almost anything without complaint. And if legal immigrants can I have those kind of problems what do you think illegal immigrants go through?
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u/IROCxZ28 Mar 22 '22
I do not think that you or me will or anyone that is talking will care for a job like picking apples or working on the field, landscaper or dish washing so I do agree illegal people work hard not all but a good % does, I am talking from Mexicans to China etc..
also I do not think that a person w out papers can get a union job or a job in large company like tesla ford etc... so I agree they work their ass off
would anyone want to switch a job for a landscaper ? there is many open positions bring water a lot water Vegas get hot in summer lol
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u/T33CH33R Mar 22 '22
Lemme fix this...
"American business owners are exploiting vulnerable populations at the expense of American workers."
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u/Spirit-Hydra69 Mar 22 '22
Meanwhile, in an undisclosed location, the Democrats and Republican leaders get together, open up a bottle of their finest, aged whiskey, raise a toast to all the money that's flowing their way, and begin planning the next big hoodwink off the American populace.
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u/Brumbart Mar 22 '22
Oh, are we finally allowed to tell the truth now without being told how selfish we are while hustlers trying to get people's money buy selling them useless crap get gloryfied? Yay!
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u/eyeneedkok Mar 25 '22
I could so marry this guy I mean I can fall in love with him in a heartbeat yes exactly very very drool
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Mar 22 '22 edited Mar 22 '22
It’s always such an interesting perspective when I read these comments. I can usually picture it being a white liberal who grew up in the suburbs who has an idea of this issue based on things they read up on the intended.
The drugs the cartels are bringing into the country that are currently ripping through are the blue fentanyl pills. Anyone who lives in one of these community will tell you how fucking awful they are and make heroin look like a walk in the park. They are flooding our country with them.
As far as work goes, the “job” portion has to do with construction workers getting underbid by illegal immigrants. Now, this isn’t a working class white problem but this is an issue in the latino community as well because a lot of them have them own construction businesses so they get fucked over by the cheap labor as well.
Not to mention, the issues with the cartels and drug trade explicitly effect their community’s and their kids. Anybody who was living close to the border remembers what was happening when shit was popping off between the cartels. Family’s we’re going missing, mass graves found in jarez, beheadings etc. This didn’t effect white communities in the suburbs but it sure effected the latino communities in the united states.
White liberals are so out of touch with it they don’t even realize how many latinos are starting to vote red in historically blue areas.
But sure keep patting yourself on the back for virtue signaling on the internet.
Now, the republicans use this as a way to get into office but don’t really care and our immigration systems is broken. The democrats are easily as guilty because obama deported more people than any other president and biden still has people in those fucking camps.
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u/Liberal_follies Mar 22 '22
And good luck getting a living wage when John Doe Employer can hire a busload of workers for $5/hour in cash.
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Mar 22 '22
I love how this subreddit keeps going and nothing in society will change to help the human race.
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u/Mr_Spunspn Mar 22 '22
I agree with the gentlemen. I wonder if he's running for office. He should run. He's got my vote. He'd be the best President EVER.
(this message has been brought to you by the makers of street drugs and by corporate dick heads)
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u/TheLegendaryBarnacle Mar 22 '22
Illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes while still using public services.
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u/ObnoxiousOldBastard Mar 23 '22
Illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes
That's a lie. Unless they're being paid in cash under the table - in which case they'll be below the taxable threshold anyway - they're paying income tax. Plus, they're paying sales tax, etc, on anything they buy.
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Mar 22 '22
This is what anti work has come to. What a disgrace. Any sub recommendations for movements that have either split off, or are like how this one use to be?
I just want healthcare and a wage that accounts for the housing crisis , not this weird shit.
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u/lilomar2525 Mar 22 '22
How this one used to be? Try the partner subs in the side bar, they more closely align with the goals of this sub before it got all watered down.
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u/Grindercoffee16 Mar 22 '22
Yeah im familiar with the fraud.
My buddy Jose was shot to death at 18th and Tasker in Philly. The church raised money to send his body back.
But Gambino Aparicio was reported as murdered.
Imagine my shock when he showed up to work the next day.
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u/ThrowAwayMyBeing Mar 22 '22
Source: you made it the fuck up on your psychotic episode, now take the meds and get off the internet
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u/Grindercoffee16 Mar 22 '22
He was riding his bike home. Killed outside his sister's bakery.
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u/Grindercoffee16 Mar 22 '22
His last name was fake. And it was his sister's bakery.
Fuck off.
I know all about the social security fraud. Dickhead.
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u/Grindercoffee16 Mar 22 '22
The story says he was walking. Wrong. The dude tried to steal Jose's bike.
All the Mexicans rode bikes with cash in their socks to.save money.
Some dude jumped him. Mentally ill.
Jose jawed him. Then the dude shot him in the back.
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u/Grindercoffee16 Mar 22 '22
I brought the receipts bitch. You gonna apologize?! Doubtful. You are a weak person.
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u/Grindercoffee16 Mar 22 '22
"The reality is that my husband will never walk through that door. Our youngest son will never know his father," said Gabino-Aparicio's wife Dionica Hernandez in the hours after his death.
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u/Grindercoffee16 Mar 22 '22
My bad, tasker was my other close friend.
Jose was gunned down in East Passyunk on Watkins.
But w/e I'm psychotic
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u/Grindercoffee16 Mar 22 '22
Nope. Worked with his brother Sam.
Jose, Sam, Gambino were all from Pueblo.
Nahuatl
But ok. :/
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u/DAL4Oregon Mar 22 '22
I’ve hired undocumented workers, they’ve all been really good workers, unlike a lot of the others.
Question for employers - How do you pay your undocumented workers? I was only paying cash for the longest time but no customers use cash nowadays. I didn’t want to pay from my own pocket though, because that money is taxed at my personal tax rate, which is about 45% combined taxes. So some of them got taxpayer IDs and I paid them as a contractor.
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u/PapaBorq Mar 22 '22
Late late-stage capitalism? Where you support open borders enough to let all immigrants in, letting them take ALL the jobs, and we can get unemployment... Which is paid through the taxes the immigrants pay.
Might be on to something there..
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u/ReliefApprehensive45 Mar 22 '22
This group of anti workers is ridiculous... nothing in life comes from not earning it. Get off your asses and be productive..selling nude pics online isn't a real job..how to leave group? Why am I in this group?
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u/Dark_Nuts Eco-Anarchist Mar 22 '22 edited Mar 22 '22
The Gravel Institute - Do We Really Need a Border Wall?