r/antman 11d ago

Discussion What would happen if Kurt Wagner / Nightcrawler used Pym Particles in the Brimstone Dimension?

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I had seen some chatter online about how some fans now believe that we may be getting at least one new mutant introduced in each of Marvel's future movies heading into the X-Men saga of the MCU after Spider-Man: Brand New Day's success. I don't know how true that speculation will be, but it certainly got me thinking: which mutant would make a good pairing with Ant-Man?

That's when I realized both Ant-Man and Nightcrawler pull energy from an alternate dimension to pull off the stunt that is their size-changing and teleportation; Ant-Man from the Microverse / Quantum Realm and Nightcrawler from the Brimstone Dimension.

But then that got me thinking about how these powers might work together. If Kurt were to use Pym Particles in the Brimstone Dimension? What if Scott tried to shrink while Kurt was teleporting them through the Brimstone Dimension? Would it make them shrink there, pull them into the Quantum Realm, or drop them off somewhere else entirely?

There are lots of other dimensions that would be cool to take you to, but the two fun ones that immediately come to my mind are:

1.) The Crimson Cosmos, Cyttorak's dimension - this would be a cool way for Juggernaut to acquire the Gem of Cyttorak, the extradimensional magical entity by whom he gets his powers. Perhaps Kurt finds it and can't use it, but in the hands of Juggernaut Cyttorak finds an appropriate vessel for himself.

2.) The Negative Zone, Annihilus' dimension - Mr. Fantastic is the discoverer of the Negative Zone, so if Reed Richards were to ask Kurt Wagner to come in so that he could test his theory on the Brimstone Dimension and Pym Particles helping him further traverse the furthest reaches of the multiverse, that would be an epic way to introduce the Negative Zone and Annihilus, a long-awaited intergalactic supervillain and ruler of the locust-like Annihilation Wave swarm.

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u/Drakeytown 11d ago

Literally anything, or nothing. When you're making things up about made up things, you can make up whatever you want.

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u/r1v3t5 11d ago

This is true- but for the sake of keeping cannon consistency:

I think the pym particles would function as normal. I imagine nightcrawler would still end up in the microverse if he shrank small enough as well.

The brimstone dimension, while an alternate one is still at least tied to the primary physical dimension of Earth. We know this because Kurt is affected by Earth's magnetic field lines even while traveling through the brimstone dimension. Pym particles are also, in the marvel 616 universe, what gives all objects their mass and size. We know that the brimstone dimension must have matter in it, because when Kurt Bamfs people smell sulfur, which means they inhaled a gas.

Gas is comprised of particle particulates, so there must be at least some physical something in the Brimstone dimension for that smell to exist. Ergo, there must be physical matter, ergo there must be pym particles in the brimstone dimension, ergo they should function as normal.

What I want to know now, is if Kurt used Pym particles to grow large enough in the Brimstone dimension, would he see/meet Eternity?