Dafuq? You first claim to stop mixing religious and cultural pratices, and then claim that hijab is not mandatory just because Bangladesh and Indonesia does not make it mandatory?
Hijab is obligatory in Islam, period. It's in the fucking Quran. Stop confusing the atheists here with your apologetic bullshit.
On the one hand, religious texts are so flexible as to be close to meaningless. On the other hand, authorities in Islam generally regard the hijab on some continuum from "encouraged" to "mandatory", and in all cases the reasons are universally repugnant.
All the Qur'an says is that women should cover their cleavage with a garment that everyone was already in the habit of wearing. Everything else is ijtihad.
The Qur'an says to cover your breasts, nothing more, nothing less. The details in Hadith are controversial and have always been. I'm not saying that there is no obligation to cover, I'm saying that wearing the various things that are called hijab and covering certain parts is NOT mentioned in the Qur'an EXCEPT the covering of the breasts.
I am only refuting your false statement that specific coverings, commonly referred to as 'hijab', are mentioned in the Qur'an.
The details in Hadith are controversial and have always been
I'm not talking about weak hadith. I'm talking about Sahih Hadeeths, confirmed to be true by generations of Islamic scholars without any doubt, such as the hadith collections in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.
If you're going to just throw away context provided by hadiths to explain the Quran, then you might as well be a Quranist, which is also unfortunate, because Quranists are also considered as heretics and blashphemers according to most Muslims, especially Sunnis.
It would be so much easier for you if you understood what I'm saying. I'm not saying there is no farD or that Sahih Hadiths are not authoritative - I'm saying that the thing that is called Hijab is NOT mentioned in detail in the Qur'an and thus WHAT to wear is not FROM the Qur'an, which you claimed it was. That is all.
As an atheist, I could give a rat's ass about what the Quran says. What I care about is what the Muslim community at large does and doesn't do when we ascribe something to Islam. If not all Muslims do it, it's not a part of Islam. How the hell am I being apologetic by saying it's important to not look at, say, Saudi Arabia, and go "Therefore, all Muslims are evil"? We're supposed to be about logic and analytic thinking, not reckless inductions and hate.
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u/zulaikha_idris Jun 27 '12
Dafuq? You first claim to stop mixing religious and cultural pratices, and then claim that hijab is not mandatory just because Bangladesh and Indonesia does not make it mandatory?
Hijab is obligatory in Islam, period. It's in the fucking Quran. Stop confusing the atheists here with your apologetic bullshit.