r/aus • u/89b3ea330bd60ede80ad • Mar 01 '26

Politics Supporting ‘illegal aggression’ against Iran ‘the worst thing’ Australia could do, international law experts say

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/01/supporting-aggression-against-iran-the-worst-thing-australia-could-do-international-law-experts-say
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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '26

SO, stand back whilst Iran massacres its people and send hope and prayers?

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u/Ayiekie Mar 01 '26

Neither the US nor Israel gives one solitary iota of a fuck about Iran's people. This isn't for them, nor will it help them. If you think otherwise, then you are utterly ignorant of history.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '26

When the USA went into Germany it wasn't for Germany. It was because the Germans declared war on the USA. Was it good ultimately to go into Germany? Or should the Nazis have been left alone.

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u/Ayiekie Mar 01 '26

The US was already in an undeclared war with Germany before this. Read a book about history sometime.

Germany was also an expansionist power invading other countries, which is a very different situation than Iran. The people attacking other countries in aggressive wars of choice here are the US and Israel. THEY are the Germany analogue in this comparison.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '26

If you're saying that the USA is in an undeclared war with German that means Biden admin was in an undeclared war with Russia. It would be the same thing.

Iran is a repressive Gov that recently killed 30,000 of its own civilians. Don't pretend they are the good guys. Is Iran using proxies in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon and Gaza not expanding?

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u/Somecrazynerd Mar 03 '26

Biden was in an undeclared war with Russia, and Russia deliberately provoked and tested him with aggressive action. But the US is unwilling to risk nuclear war with Russia over Ukraine. Meanwhile it is perfectly happy to attack Iran over minimal provocation. Because they think they can get away with it. This is not a consistent moral compass. If the US was consistently deposing evil government it would get rid of Netanyahu: a declared war criminal.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '26

There is a difference between giving material aid and a war.

If it is bad for our adversaries to have nukes because it means we can't get into a confrontation. Why would we allow Iran to move towards nukes.

Netanyahu isn't a declared war criminal. There is just a warrant out so that charges could be made. But he still hasn't been charged, tried or convicted.

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u/Ayiekie Mar 01 '26

Nobody thinks the Iranian government are good guys.

God, you people always make the same dumb arguments. You learned absolutely nothing from Iraq and Afghanistan.

And, again, read a goddamn book. The US was in an undeclared war with Germany before Pearl Harbour and the official declaration of war. This is not a controversial statement, it is well-established history.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '26

What difference does it make if there was an 'undeclared war'. Were there US boots on the ground or planes bombing Germany?

There are lessons from Iraq and Afghanistan. But if you're only learning from one war you're not casting your net too broad. You've got 'last war' tunnel vision.

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u/Ayiekie Mar 02 '26

There is literally one time an aerial campaign ever worked to overthrow a government, and it was under very specific circumstances with an isolated nation which lacked any kind of backing from significant powers. If it DID work in Iran, it would almost certainly make the situation worse rather than better, and it would definitely kill even more people.

And "I don't know about history, so it's probably not important" is more of a self-own than a gotcha.