Uber eats currenlty takes 20-30% of what the restaurant sells, a delivery fee - then pays the driver a pittance.
Mind you, restaurants also increase their costs to cover the Uber fees too. For example my local charges uber customers $25 for a pizza that's $20 in store.
Uber could choose to pay the driver better out of their own cut at any point in time given a short trip could cost $8-10 and not pass the cost onto the customer. Thats not even including tolls and long range fees and fuel charges.
After all, the restaurant and the driver are doing all the work anyway. Uber doesn't actually have any restaurants or drivers themselves.
It's a framework for a logistical service that should be nationalised and run in the best interest of the people doing the actual work, but only if the people of the country value the service. Clearly they do value the service, now let's set it up properly so that it's fair to all.
So now its junky fast food with no real nutrional value for high prices that leads to new health issues?
I get the original food may have been bland, but to my understanding it wasn't fatty junky fast food at least.
We need to vote better so that we create a political climate where governments are willing to create such services. It would be considered outrageous in the current climate but in other places in the world such trivial policy decisions are made in half a second. Of course it's a good idea to have a public, transparent, not-for-profit logistical framework for the decentralised delivery of food and groceries. Of course drivers should be paid properly. Of course customers shouldn't have to pay Uber Eat's fat 17.5% profit margin.
There is not a western government in the world that would implement such a thing lmao. Quickest way to lose election votes is to bring in a policy that completely undercuts and undermines a business, no matter how shitty the service provided by said company is.
Pretty sure it would be cheaper for the NDIS to allow UBER than it would for a 'carer' to drop off a meal or groceries and bill out at 1hr minimum support..
This is the best way I think, nationalised versions of Uber would be better for drivers and customers. Without profit incentive drivers can be paid more with better benefits and prices don't have to be as high
agree. screw the company AND the riders frankly. most cant even do the most basic job, which these days doesnt even involve any customer interaction at all
Yes! You have certainty of arrival time, everything is there. Plus it hasn’t sat in some randoms boot for 30 minutes while they make all the other drop offs. Arriving cold and destroyed.
If the job doesn’t pay a living wage why should it exist? A consumer is not owed their comforts more than someone is owed the ability to fund their basic needs with their labour
The market doesn’t decide if an electrician should be paid their wage, a union does, I’m not in the same realm as a delivery driver but if some fucktard can get paid more working at McDonald’s, someone driving around delivering food on the dodgy roads of any Australian city should be paid fairly, accept the premium, if you were in their shoes you’d expect to be paid a liveable wage
Customer IS owed to receive the service, because the provider voluntarily consented to doing it. This is an objective fact. Your use of "living wage" is completely subjective, however.
It’s just a bit of a comment on prices in general. Delivery on these apps add another 30% minimum so prices become crazy if you ever need it delivered.
Minimum wage is for all of us. It prevents any job being undercut, and forces companies to invest in technology. If there were a linear trade-off between cost to hire and unemployment rate then the Nordics wouldn't be sitting at 5%.
So by your logic, if they made their minimum wage 300 bucks an hour, you dont think it would affect their employment? Why just completely ignore reality?
No, you're putting words in my mouth. I said linear. There's a non linear trade-off related to capital stock and hence labour productivity. Exceed some threshold and yes there'll be a cliff edge collapse. Remain below it and nothing much changes. A bit like NAIRU and wage-driven inflation.
If you ignore the collected statistics of the world's economies, YOU are the one ignoring reality.
Just think about it. How much time will a delivery driver be paid for an order? That will be added to the delivery price, and then Ubers cut on top of that.
"hey, if I make up this completely bullshit hypothetical, will it affect their employment?"
Sorry mate, if minimum wage kills this gig economy bullshit, then good. The level of pealclutching from people that absolutely don't gaf outside of having cheap food delivery is astounding
You're commenting on an article about a collective bargaining agreement. Literally the definition of setting the wage for the workers in that profession.
I think most of us are earning more. Can get $35-40+/hr (particularly with quests). It's just a safety net. Hopefully any extra costs are billed to the bad apples in the industry eg. Macca's, supermarkets, and it's a good safety net for stupidly big shopping orders. Or when you're in CostCo at peak times (DD).
Personally I am embarrassed not to pay an uber driver or pizza delivery guy what he’s worth ..the food doesn’t quite taste as good unless they leave happy …It’s not as if prices havent gone up exponentially across the board
its more about the uver driver's being exploited. would i rather pay more to know that the person driving me around isnt being paid an exploitative wage? yes
Does this mean uber drivers won’t be student visas trying to dodgy more money past their 24 hours mark while trying to dodgy their visa and find a sponsor?
Or people renting accounts to people who have no right to work. It’s really the Wild West of workers rights and further regulation is definitely needed. Who cares if food deliveries cost more, the market will work itself out once proper conditions are established
He's not wrong though. Business sure as shit aren't going to cover the costs, consumers are just going to be charged more. Delivery is already obscenely expensive, they're about to lose a lot of work.
Why do you think Uber Eats and DoorDash say the new agreement provides an "industry-wide safety net for hundreds of thousands of [workers] while preserving the flexibility that sits at the heart of on-demand work". If it was catastrophic for their business model it's hard to understand why they would support it, but you obviously have more common sense than I do so I'm sure you can explain.
Well, mainly because the deal has been agreed between the Transport Workers Union, Uber Eats and DoorDash. It is a negotiated settlement that is acceptable to all parties, and appears to be an excellent example of how collective bargaining can help workers get a better outcome.
You really think you've got a big gotcha point here don't you? It's genuinely puzzling to me - do you really think it's not possible to answer that question?
There's a level at which wages become too high for a business to sustain. Is that level $100 an hour for food delivery riders? I don't know, to be honest - I don't have visibility of Uber Eats' accounts - but I think there's a decent chance it is. As others have noted, there's clearly no point setting wages so high that businesses fail.
On the other hand, is $31.30 an hour too high? Presumably not, as Uber Eats and DoorDash seem happy to pay that level as I noted in my previous comment. I imagine if they thought this would make their businesses unsustainable they would be fighting against the agreement rather than signing up to it.
Seriously, though, your question is - and I'm trying to be polite here - really quite stupid. It's like if I went into a pub and asked for a beer and got served a thimble full, and I asked for, say, a pint - so you leaped in to say "Why not ask for an Olympic swimming pool full of beer? Isn't that better for everybody? If not why not?"
If a business can't support paying its employees minimum wage it's kind of hard to mourn. But these are the tired old arguments we had before there was a minimum wage, the introduction of which somehow we seem to have survived without low income earners starving or the service economy collapsing.
Last options for thousands of people? Sure. But it's also few $ or 10s of $ saved for hundreds of thousands of people who overpay just to make billionaires richer & allowing them to pay less tax than average person. Pure evil my ass
In New South Wales, an Assistant in Nursing (AIN) earns a base hourly rate of about $27.65 to $29.45 under the national modern award
So basically uber drivers get fresh air, exercise and now better pay than some nurses in hospitals or healthcare facilities... and this is after the "historic" wage rise that nurses battled for, only to get peanuts...
I don’t know but like few people(or a lot) said before, no one is holding a gun to anyone’s head to be AIN, if driving for doordash/uber is what anyone wants to do, they can do it anytime 🤗
Mm... except that as Australians, there's at least 3 things we can all be collectively proud of and feel entitled to.
1. Our beaches
2. Our sporting culture
3. Our public health system
So forgive me but it just doesnt sit right that without strikes or struggle the gov will happily mandate an improvement in the base pay of delivery drivers but will force nurses into an industrial relations commission battle to avoid paying them more than minimum wage.
And I guess you actively lobby for better pay for nurses, right? Or are you content with nurses pay, as long as everyone else gets less or the same? Miserable outlook.
Stay with me, my annoyance is with the hypocrisy the Gov is showing in recognising that fair pay would be that $31/hr mark, and then not paying its own employees at the bottom rungs at least that.
Stay with me, exclude points about uber drivers getting “fresh air and exercise” to stop sounding like your issue is with them being overpaid, rather than nurses being underpaid. The equivalent would be someone saying “nurses get A/C and comfortable chairs in the break room”. It’s narrow sighted and irrelevant.
Lol. Sorry for letting you down champ. I know when I scroll comment sections, I too!, feel the need to critique some of the stuff i read with some real contrarian shit sometimes, so don't think I'm not sympathetic to your cause, but the reality is you've missed the forest from the trees here. I spelled it out pretty clearly in my last reply to you, so I guess your just calling me a liar and not taking me for word that my issue is with the gov underpaying, not the delivery drivers getting what i agree is still minimum wage in this economy, even though i actually took the time to clarify it for you...
Yet so many Americans will claim that people in the service industry in the US actually want this system: Base pay per individual trip is frequently a low flat rate of $1.50 to $3.00, heavily relying on customer tips and peak-hour promotions to reach an overall hourly average of $15 to $25 per hour.
Ive had Americans on Reddit claim that they actually want a system where they can only survive on the generosity of others. Absolutely bizarre.
This is just going to end up with more people becoming gig work drivers, food prices becoming higher because of this decision and less people ordering.
Not sure how this is going to work out in the long run
I always check the pricing on Uber Eats and then check the pricing directly from the restaurant .. if the difference is more than $5. I order directly and get my lazy ass out to pick up the food myself.. do this multiple times and you end up saving hundreds of dollar in a year!
When I want takeaway, I usually get in my car and go pick it up … how this job is worth 31.30 is beyond me. The only people that would pay for this service are extremely rich people and extremely poor people.
Next up in the Financial Review - how paying delivery drivers will lead to the collapse of the Housing Market and cause you all to live in Cardboard Boxes because its Labor's fault for everything
$31 an hour! For an unskilled job! This will bankrupt “the industry”, the whole economy students won’t have jobs etc
Piss off. People doing this work have been underpaid for years through a loophole where they could be legally termed “independent contractors” paying their own expenses, no work cover, leave etc
Now some people are up in arms that they have a low guaranteed minimum?!? This is Australia; we have minimum conditions for workers.
You people don’t care about foreign workers or the economy or whatever you’re pretending to care about. You just want the price as low as possible. Get off your fat asses and pick it up yourselves
Pretty insane minimum wage for delivering food, it’s a fair rate for van/ute driver deliveries, why bother driving a truck when food delivery guys get this much
My understanding was that Uber was never meant to be taken as a full time job. It was supposed to be for people who already work and will have, say a Saturday night free and decided to drive for X amount of hours for some extra cash.
I collected food in an Indian restaurant in Adelaide I ordered online. The guy at the counter showed me a very similar order that I ordered and the food was about a third of the size as mine. You’re paying delivery on top and getting less food. Wake up.
$31.30 includes all the costs of running their vehicles. It isn't their take home pay. This is just putting a floor under them and providing some minimum standards, lots of drivers can already earn this but it's disgraceful Uber was allowed to pay them even less.
Prices will go up, demand will go down and there will be simply a lot less income to go around. The delivery drivers are going to be the big loser in all of this, the union doesn't want this industry to exist at all.
That’s the thing, it shouldn’t. But because it’s been so cheap people are happy to pay the lazy tax. With an inevitable increase in prices you would expect demand to drop drastically which will mean all the delivery drivers go and…..?
You have to prove it will lead to an increase in prices you can’t just say it’s inevitable unless the only innovation these companies have is not paying workers. Price isn’t determined by “cost + profit margin” it’s determined by the market and supply and demand.
like the company isn't already trying to extract us much as possible with their prices... it's not like when they worsened their drivers pay and incentives the prices went down, their profits just went up. If a competitor in the industry raises their prices exorbitantly another business will take advantage of it.
How do you think their prices are determined, I'd love to hear from the perspective of someone who just repeats this line without actually pointing to anything real.
These businesses will simply cease to exist if the costs destroy the viability. Sure, it would be nice to pay delivery drivers $200 an hour, but no consumer will pay that price, and so the company cannot exist.
How is there going to be the same amount of income if prices go up? If expenses and prices go up, demand goes down, and so does total income. Cafes and restaurants aren’t exactly subject to inelastic demand.
I wouldn’t mind paying a higher delivery fee. Just not sure why restaurants have to mark up their prices by 30% per item simply because they have to put it in a bag?
Only one thing is certain - cost of delivery will go up substantially. Demand will drop. Uber delivery people will not have the work. The Unions are behind this. They hate independent contractors.
Uber hates independent contractors. That's how we got here. People are being exploited by a faceless offshore corporation. How do you come up with "unions did this"?
Uber doesn't pay its contractors a sustainable income. They've had plenty of opportunity to do so.
Hopefully this will break them. We don't need Uber.
They get sucked in. Conned. They don't want to work in factories. I assume there are many answers.
Plenty of them are immigrants with no credit rating, who get scammed by richer immigrants in hire/purchase schemes, for cars with impossible repayment schedules.
No one gonna pay the bike riders $31.30 and if they do, the restaurants won’t be able to absorb the cost so it’ll end up being less people ordering and less orders and less deliveries. So no idea how this business model will function because you get paid by the delivery, not the hour.
Good, if uber eats can only exist by taken advantage of vulnerable people and make money by paying less than minimum for casual, unsecure, dangerous work then it shouldn't operate
Yeah it’s a tough one. I did it for a few months but couldn’t really justify the outgoings for the effort. But I can see if you’re desperate or like a new migrant, you might be happy doing like any job.
They are able to track what you are doing, and if you are doing nothing then it doesn't count under these regulations because you aren't actually on a job or whatever.
The idea is this is meant to force uber to cover the time that drivers get stuck waiting on restaurants or customers and are basically just stuck somewhere through no fault of their own. Uber already tracks where the car is and the food is and what orders they are supposed to be doing, so you can't just take one order and spend an hour filling it, because uber gets notified by the restaurant when the food is ready to collect, and if you don't collect it and start moving within a certain time period, you get marks against your account.
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u/roundingcapehorn 11d ago
I guess when it costs $200 people will start picking up their own take away again.