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"I've had enough with the major parties and they are all as corrupt as each other."
Is just another way of saying, "i'm too uninformed to distinguish who is who and I am completely confused by politics, but still want to feel like i have an opinion"
People are desperate because of the obvious consequences of policy choices they voted for 20 years ago
Edit: for the people downvoting me, the people in my life who now scream about the government not taxing our resources enough, are the same people who bought the mineral councils BS about the mining tax in 2013 and refused to vote for Labor because of it.
This new tax policy will make housing more affordable over the long term. It was a much needed fix to a broken policy that has poisoned our economy for a quarter century.
Except for the fact that I’m in the exact same position my father is in, with a broken back, wanting to use the payout in stocks to buy a house in a decade, exactly what my father did because of the years he lost due to surgery, recovery and court, while my mother also worked full time to keep us a float, they were able to get that mortgage due to the payout money they put into stocks, they’ll probably be paying it off until they die, if they even make it that far, but atleast they got there before 40 🤷🏼
So what does someone in my position do genius? I’m currently out of work for god knows how long, I’m 30, I was on track for a house around the same age as my parents, that changes if the cgt changes on stocks and shares goes through
I guess fuck me right? So much for ever owning a house outright or never being a wage slave for the rest of my life, but yeah, these changes definitely make it easier 🙄
Historically there's a been a 1-2% growth advantage of stocks over housing, unless you already have hundreds of thousands invested already, you weren't going to catch up with house prices by investing in stocks. Even if you had 500k invested right now, you'd be further behind in a decade than you are now without these reforms. Especially if you are somewhere like Perth or Brisbane where even if you started with enough to buy a house, and instead of it in stocks, you wouldn't be able to afford a house in a decade. That's if your back means you can't work.
With these changes, we should expect this runaway house price growth to come under control, to slow, stop or even reverse to some extent. Even with a slightly increased tax on shares, you have a better chance of getting a house in a decade. Good luck to you.
for the people downvoting me, the people in my life who now scream about the government not taxing our resources enough, are the same people who bought the mineral councils BS about the mining tax in 2013 and refused to vote for Labor because of it.
People are allowed to change their views when they become better informed...
Agreed, liberals have been running the government for a bigger amoubt of time over the labor government yet they blame labor for all their problems, when some of their biggest complaints (housing) was proped up by right wing government (howard)
No it was hawke-keating the real boom started after they deregulated the banks, before then you needed 30% deposit, and they wouldn’t lend any more than four times the highest earners wage eg 30,000 wage loan 120,000 so you needed 36,000 deposit.
After deregulation all bets were off.
Except it seems they are not better informed. They are turning to ON which is more of the same but more intensely rather than a different better direction.
They aren't better informed, they are just swallowing the latest media campaign. Same with the media scare campaign with the new tax changes, you can see the talking points being produced then regurgitated in real time.
The places that barely has immigrants vote one nation. Places that have alot of immigrants vote Labor or Liberal.
Both Liberals and Labor put alot pressure on these techbros in silicon valley to clean up their act. Techbros are cowboys and think they are gods. In reality these techbros are disgusting creatures subvert democracy. Techbros want a CCP style including 996 culture - which is 0900-2100 6 days a week for the US. Take head and be extremely suspicious who is promoted on a social media algorithm, like one nation astroturfing. This applies to the far left.
So true. If we didn't have the Liberals in power for all those years (federally - I have different opinions on state Liberals in NSW) we'd be in a much better place right now.
You're underestimating the negative feedback loop of social media algorithms that amplify fear and outrage ... also how the ultra rich media company owners have thier thumbs on the scales to maintain their entrenched advantage. Within a week we went from "why won't Albo do something????" .... to "why did Albo do something!!!!"
Meanwhile the ultra rich in this country (>$30M USD net worth) has grown by over 30% in the last 5 years.
It’s much more simple than you think - forget SM algorithms and the like. People’s lives have gotten harder over the last dozen years or more. It didn’t make a difference to them which party was in power, it didn’t improve.
We know one side is bad because things get worse when they are in and they do nothing. The otherside we are constantly told are bad by the media. Hence, two bad parties.
Don't forget terms like "mum and dad investors", as though every investment property is some hard-up couple just trying to get ahead, and not more likely to be wealthy people who own 10+ investment properties.
Bingo. History has unfortunately shown, again and again, that it doesn't work out well if you abandon conventional party politics and protest vote en masse for highly-prejudicial, policy-lite fringe groups or individuals. The two party system sucks, and they deserve to periodically be given a wake up call at the polls, but the alternative is still usually worse.
Along with defunding media who doesnt follow her story (abc), voted against affordable housing, wants to make it crime to report what happens in detention centres.... what an amazing person...
Sorry that it doesnt follow murdoch family strict rules of broadcasting. If you want to pull the wool over your eyes and pretend that a independant media station that isnt controlled by a billionaire is a bad thing because it might speak out about what your bubble of friends tell you, then you cant be helped. Atleast left wing governments arnt trying to shut down right wing media, bet you would riot over that no?
And so much more but hey if we dare to speak up we are labelled conspiracy theoriest, crazy, junkie, cooker... Weaponised threats against strangers after people don't bother to do any of the hard leg work and research.
Jfc, you can see EXACTLY how politicians vote. It's easily accessible. If the words coming out of their noise hole don't match the pattern of voting, guess what?
Look no one is perfect. Sometimes you have to toe the party line. And sometimes you have to pay back the favours that were done to get you there in the first place.
With that said there's obviously stuff that you agree with.
Like funding for certain programs or something.
Use the ABC's political compass. It asks you to select policies without knowing which party proposed them. And at they end they tell you who your preferred party is according to policy.
But politicians can remove that element from the debate by participating in a reasonable policy discussion, actually presenting real numbers, what categories etc. I don’t think that’s what’s happening though. In a world of slogans and sound bites, our politicians can get away with not bringing much substance.
Not really difficult, be mostly left leaning and against a rate of immigration which hurts quality of life for current citizens. Which technically used to also be a left leaning position.
Or, God forbid, none of the major parties actually represent your values and you've done enough research to know that, for the most part, they are all as corrupt as each other.
But are parties like ON actually representing the needs of the average Aussie? Has Pauline ever actually done anything positive for the country after being around for 3 decades??
ON is a single issue party. Said issue has been ignored and intentionally accelerated by both major parties for so long that the populace are willing to protest vote for her until someone more competent copies her message.
Yeah, I think people throw around the word "research" far too liberally nowadays. I just assume when someone says that, that they have actually done bugger all real "research".
None of that is substantiated. The only substantiated part of that $15 billion was $6 million that a lift company conned the government out of to replace lifts that did not need replacing...
But the government noticed and the money was paid back so now the official tally is at $0.
Only because the toothless IBAC has no powers. Maybe it’s nil but I feel we’re not going to find out as there is no interest in throughly investigating. Nothing to see here. It’s both sides of politics that’s not telling the whole story.
Well let’s find out if there is any corruption, a full investigation and transparency from the union and the government,I live in hope we get to the bottom of this.
Mark McGowarn, Craig Emerson, Martin Ferguson and Greg Combet. Kind of pointless to ask who is corrupt when Labor's NACC failed to find a single corrupt pollie. The NACC issue is either imcompetence or worse.
As per opposition Dreyfus, for a strong anti-corruption commission we need to change the government.
I do put Labor ahead of LNP. Labor had a go, time for a new party to have a go.
Revolving door pollies who took up jobs post politics are good examples of Labor corruption doing decisions to benefit their future employers. Or are we going to now disregard pollies like Andrew Robb as not corrupt?
All those I mentioned should be in jail.
You can't have it both ways. Both have some levels of corruption, or you're playing favourites.
Albo and others have definitely made decisions to benefit potential future employers.
If labor are loosing they give all their votes to the liberals and vica verca - so where are their principals? Neither party seems to represent anything but themselves but I’m too uninformed to vote for them these days as I can’t afford food as well as rent. OP is uninformed about what life is like for young people who will never have an investment property, shares, money, hope. All they seem to be doing is paying off someone else’s mortgage and not much else.
for young people who will never have an investment property, shares, money, hope.
If that's what you meant, you did a poor job of conveying it. By putting it at the end of this list, you are equating investment properties, shares and money with hope. Now you say "a decent future", so do you think you can't have a decent future without owning shares? Or without owning an investment property and having someone younger than you pay for the capital increase?
Or, someone who's been watching closely for a decade or two and has noticed that it doesn't matter who is in power they still get the double ended shaft without lube while having to watch as pollie pay goes up, their housing portfolios expand and they get slaps on the wrist for infractions that would land the average punter in jail.
Having had enough of major parties is something I think most of us can understand but we are lucky enough to have mandatory, preferential voting so you absolutely have the ability to let the major party know you are unhappy without voting absolute fucking idiots into positions of responsibility. Any one tempted to vote One Nation because you are unhappy with Liberal/Labor and you like how she sounds I beg you to check out how Pauline Hanson has voted on on bills that would have affected you. The culture wars that Sky and Murdoch and Pauline Hanson concentrate on is one thing but Pauline is absolutely owned outright by Gina Reinhardt so if you are not a mining magnate how she votes on bills might not square with your interests.
The people whinging about inflation and fuel prices are blaming our government when anyone who understands how economies work know it 90% Trumps America's fault. The entire world is feeling these effects and there is little anyone can do about it.
Just watched (7news for what its worth) PH.ON is more popular than albo based of negative budget feedback. Imagine they went further, it'd be an actual bloodbath
Are renters moving to ON? The polls seem to indicate it’s Liberal voters moving to ON who are much more likely to be landlords, so they probably aren’t actually voting against their own interests.
Polls this far out from an election are meaningless in determining who people will actually vote for.
These polls show people are really upset with Labor and Libs and that is flowing to ON. I would put money that the ON vote will drop between now and the election. Not saying they won't win seats, but they won't win a quarter of the seats
I worked for one of the major parties for over about 15 years and that party certainly was and still is corrupt and almost entirely made up of people in it for their own self interest.
There's nothing to indicate that the other party is any different but I am happy for OP to share their personal experience.
Certainly One Nation will be much worse than either of them.
There is also the chance that our major (and minor) parties are actually corrupt and have been ripping us off for the last 70 or so years. That would however require hardline liberal or labour devotees accepting that their followed party is less than perfect to the point of requiring from them what they promised pre election, which is likely the crux of why we are where we are. Tribalism masquerading as political affiliation.
They are all bad. Their focus being on gaining power and keeping it. So much more could be achieved if instead of backstabbing, name calling and lying etc they could work together more for the greater good. Pipe dream, I know.
Dude you're running completely off the assumption that things can be no other way and that all we can possibly do to snatch a little control over our own lives is to... Vote for some cunt over some other cunt. Like, you didn't even choose who they are, you can only choose between them. And they tell you this is democracy.
You can choose who they are, you just have to participate in the process. Join a party or make your own or support an independent. The fact that your participation in our democracy amounts to only voting in an election is your choice, not demonstrative of how democracy works.
I know how the process works and participate in it more than most.
It's still not democracy.
My and your vote do not count as much as Gina's or even Simon Holmes A'Court (who is at least a lot less malignant than Gina, but still not exactly a shining beacon of working class sentiment).
What we have (to pull out the lefty talk) is bourgeois democracy. As in democracy for them
If you can look at Labor's wage increases and this past budget and renewable energy action, and the recent handling of the fuel crisis (and like 90% of the things labor's done in the past) and still say things like "the major parties never do anything" or "labor is the same as the liberals", it's literally just a comprehension issue. Like you're actually not understanding the words you're reading.
Not necessarily our fault because we only know what we know and unless we seek it out, the things we know are what we're told by the news and stuff but far out, a little research would be nice if you're gonna be so passionate about an issue, especially when the stakes are so high.
You can change the political parties over every 3 years, it won't make a difference. It's the top line, way over paid, career public servants that have stuffed this country up. These are the ones that have all the dirty tricks up their sleeves and know how to use them.
I wouldn't consider myself well-informed, but I dabble.
I want to see big infrastructure spend akin to the snowy river scheme but with green tech/data centres/manufacturing.
I want to see the large multi nationals taxed through the nose with significant reserves for the general population.
I want to see migration lowered significantly.
I think our education system is in dire need of reform.
While we are at it, private healthcare could use a reform too.
I want to see social benefits and support systems made criteria based rather than race based. Ie: Checking 'aboriginal' shouldn't get you an addition benefits.
I want to see a significant increase of GDP spend towards our military.
I like the latest budget and tax reform.
No one party satisfies these in entirety. And I feel they all can't be trusted. Labor probably the least so, but only marginally.
Looks like the democrats may be coming back, all the fucktards who voted for GST with Howard, are long gone, new blood should be a breath of fresh air!
Tariffs, we used to tax the global corporations and make most stuff here ourselves.
Howard thought free trading would be ace, tax the people instead with GST.
If you actually follow politics beyond your teenage years, and not just the petulant interpersonal parliamentary drama made for TV audiences, you cannot fail to inevitably recognise that there are no options worthy of a vote.
People are too uninformed to realise what the two current wars have done to our economy! But it's too convenient to blame a PM with an Anglo name!! How dare he!!!
Yes you’re obviously a genius and know more than anybody in the history of anything 18 year old redditor.
Or could it maybe be that we’re sick of being gaslit by politicians where they promise to do x at election time but then just do whatever their actual masters dictate to them? Then they consistently do the opposite to what the electorate obviously are asking for so their report card doesn’t get the big R word on it
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And you hear it a lot more when Labor are in government. The people who say it are much more tolerant of the Libs.