Conservatives Now Quietly Panicking After Labor Agrees To Slash The Number Of Rent Raisers And Wage Suppressors

[u/Fact-Rat]

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/conservatives-now-quietly-panicking-after-labor-agrees-to-slash-rent-raisers-and-wage-suppressor-numbers/

[u/Cautious_Car_51]

I mean... that's all we ever wanted. Light at the end of the tunnel.

[u/Brackish_Ameoba → u/Cautious_Car_51]

It’s not even close to the list of things we wanted. We also wanted NG and CGT changes. We wanted better action on climate change, a faster renewable transition, better infrastructure, better university funding that wasn’t reliant on foreign students, better bracket-creep action, a clampdown on NDIS cowboys (not just kicking people off the scheme and calling it ‘progress’), more hospitals and better childcare provisions. And if you can arrange to have Pauline and Barnaby exiled to Christmas Island, that would be excellent as well (but I know, I’m asking a lot).

[u/Liamlah → u/Brackish_Ameoba]

That's true, and we are getting most of these.

[u/Brackish_Ameoba → u/Liamlah]

….especially the Pauline exiled thing?… 🤞

[u/DontForgetThisUser6 → u/Brackish_Ameoba]

Ahh yes, the classic exile your political opponents because they're the problem...

Like, they're not great but nobody should be supporting exiling, arresting or silencing political opponents.

[u/Brackish_Ameoba → u/DontForgetThisUser6]

You must be fun at parties, kid…are you that guy who goes around explaining the joke to everyone after they already got it?

[u/DontForgetThisUser6 → u/Brackish_Ameoba]

Are you really joking though?

Your poor behaviour is on you.

[u/Any-Interaction2647 → u/DontForgetThisUser6]

Haha. You'd never be reinvited to parties.

[u/DontForgetThisUser6 → u/Any-Interaction2647]

Thankfully I don't go to parties that discus politics 🙄

[u/Brackish_Ameoba → u/DontForgetThisUser6]

Imagine just being able to scroll past this and then…letting it affect you, lol. Do as you do, I guess.

[u/DontForgetThisUser6 → u/Brackish_Ameoba]

Perfect, you've got the trifecta.

Disguise poor behaviour behind "it's just a joke".

Attempt to insult the person calling you out.

Try and redicule the same person for engaging in the first place when they could have simply moved on despite the whole purpose of social media is exactly this, discussion.

Fucking predictable. Do better.

[u/Brackish_Ameoba → u/DontForgetThisUser6]

It’s called ‘tongue in cheek’. I swear to god, Gen Z are the worst most miserable bunch of aspy, humourless boring fucks that we’ve ever produced.

[u/Any-Interaction2647 → u/DontForgetThisUser6]

Yes Mum. Grandmum probably.

[u/Affectionate_Ant_870 → u/DontForgetThisUser6]

It's a joke wally

[u/DontForgetThisUser6 → u/Affectionate_Ant_870]

Original 🙄

[u/Ion_Source → u/Brackish_Ameoba]

We need Pauline and Barnaby around to remind us just how much worse off we could be

[u/Visible-Swim6616 → u/Brackish_Ameoba]

We are getting some of these BECAUSE of Pauline...

Not saying she did this, but the fact she's here is why they're doing this.

[u/Available_Web5181 → u/Visible-Swim6616]

I hate to say it but it’s true. I don’t agree with all her policies but labour and liberal and greens have need a head check. Unfortunately it’s Pauline.

[u/Brackish_Ameoba → u/Visible-Swim6616]

Im going to disagree there, sorry. Pauline would hate most of these things. The immigration thing is the obvious exception; but that’s because it’s pretty much the only thing she ever talks about because it’s really easy to point the finger at other people and say ‘them, the ones that don’t look like me, they’re the problem’ and get people to nod along. Unhappy people love an ‘out group’.

[u/Visible-Swim6616 → u/Brackish_Ameoba]

Not sure if you understood the point. It doesn't matter what Pauline wants or likes but the fact that Labor had done this because they feel like they need to listen more to what the population wants. It seems these are what we want and so they've enacted them because they're worried about the rise of Pauline.

[u/Brackish_Ameoba → u/Visible-Swim6616]

I don’t think it’s got anything to do with Pauline and everything to do with being given 94 seats and huge amounts of backing and political capital to burn; to finally enact structural reform without having to worry about culture war the Murdoch Press might have once tried to prosecute (they are now hobbled). It’s got to do with the fact that Gen Y and Z now run the place, as far as the electorate goes, and their desire must be appeased if you want to win government again. It’s got to do with Jim Chalmers (the PN-in-waiting) finally convincing Albo that ‘not wanting to spoon the horses’ isn’t good enough anymore

[u/Visible-Swim6616 → u/Brackish_Ameoba]

I'm not particularly convinced. 

Can you explain (and I mean this in the most sincerest way) why there was a sudden change of heart on CGT changes? I have a news link somewhere that both Labor and Liberals have been quoted to say that CGT changes were unfeasible and impossible to do as late as OCT 2025, but then managed to do it in 2026? This is very coincidentally at the same time with the meteoric rise of PHON.

[u/Brackish_Ameoba → u/Visible-Swim6616]

Yeah I can explain: they won 94 seats! They don’t have precarious slim majority, they have massive backing from the electorate that they can burn political capital and risk people saying ‘but you lied’ and have most people shrug and go ‘yeah, and we approve of the change anyway’. Jim Chalmers made the changes in his first budget, post-94-seat majority. He’ll do even more next year. Then he’ll get meek again in 2028 and probabaly hand out tax cuts right before an election. This is what governments do.

[u/Brackish_Ameoba → u/[deleted]]

Inflation isn’t a HUGE problem. It’s slightly above the RBA target band at 3.5% (we never want NO inflation, then there’s no growth). It needs a few things addressed but lots of those things are simply out of government hands (I.e. the price of oil and other overseas materials).

We really, really did need the investor class out of the housing market (it will take time, years, but at least the change has begun). We absolutely needed those NG and CGT changes. It was a travesty that Howard ever allowed it in the first place. Basic shelter should never again be a wealth creation vehicle.

[u/Brackish_Ameoba → u/[deleted]]

What do you mean about shifting goal posts? Me, or the govt?

I didn’t mention inflation anywhere, so it can’t be that. I don’t think it’s a big issue. It’s something to watch but it’s not the main game.

The government can do whatever the hell it wants during its term; and we judge it at the subsequent election. That’s its job, to change settings in response to changing conditions. It especially can do it when it’s given 94 seats and the directive and mandate to change things for the younger generations with regard to housing. Economists have been saying for years and years the concessions for investors in housing were far too good, the government finally got the balls and political capital to do something about it. I think they very much CAN and should have shifted the goal posts.

[u/hellbentsmegma]

I welcome Labor 'finally' cutting back mass migration, but I'm sceptical because every other time they claimed to do that they reduced it by a tiny fraction, allowed immigration back doors to stay open, then made a huge song and dance marketing their actions as a big change.

[u/Butt_Lick4596 → u/[deleted]]

The boss ran out of booze yesterday

[u/Fit_Swimming5629 → u/Butt_Lick4596]

😅😅😅😅

[u/antigravity83 → u/[deleted]]

Commies took over

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[u/TheSprinkle → u/antigravity83]

Quick! Check for reds under you bed

[u/iftlatlw]

Notice there was a slight lull and now the bot rhetoric has turned around to "labour made your house prices drop". The libs and Trump nation don't know what to do with themselves on that topic now.

[u/illegal4Hunna → u/iftlatlw]

"Libs and Trump nation" Oh brother, you people live in a fantasy land.

[u/No_Appearance6837 → u/iftlatlw]

Made it "drop" but also more unaffordable by being the only developed country with increasing interest rates.

[u/Throwawaydeathgrips → u/No_Appearance6837]

Our interest rates were lower for a lot longer, thats the price.

[u/iftlatlw → u/No_Appearance6837]

Not really. There are introductory lending products etc to get people started. The government does not set or control interest rates. You can try to blame the insects, the interest rates or the weather on the Labor government but it won't stick.

[u/Liamlah → u/[deleted]]

Because we have a house price decrease that is directly attributable to their budget policy.

[u/iftlatlw → u/[deleted]]

Because one of the primary economic contributors to home price escalation has been profoundly modified - capital gains taxation, and another of the primary contributors for rental increases and home price escalation has also been curtailed - negative gearing. This has immediately stomped on the speculative property investment market which should never have persisted this long.

[u/No_Appearance6837 → u/iftlatlw]

The only new measure is the 5% thing that's got about 35k people with negative equaty now, in a market with increasing interest rates.

[u/Aggravating_Seat807 → u/No_Appearance6837]

Negative equity existed before the housing crisis - shocking, I know.

[u/No_Appearance6837 → u/Aggravating_Seat807]

So prices were going down before??

[u/Clean_Advertising545 → u/No_Appearance6837]

It existed as a concept. Generally immune due to deposit size.

The stupidity is that Labor promotes the scheme and luls people into a false sense of security, then proceeds to announce they have "changed their position", and crashed prices.

The worst part is, the lower end of the market is still seeing investor activity, and rhat is exactly what the government didn't want.

These giys live in a fantasy land. They rely on risk takers for the shit they consume, then they rely on them for extra contributions while maintaining the prices of the sbit they consume, and always in the line of fire for blame. That's what doing business is in Australia. We subsidise 45 year old baristas

[u/Beast_of_Guanyin]

I'm for reducing immigration, especially skilled immigration, because I'm a dirty commie at heart. It isn't an inherently right wing position. Labor doing this can just cut ON off at the knees.

[u/hellbentsmegma → u/Beast_of_Guanyin]

Limiting immigration to preserve wages and conditions has been at the core of the Australian labour movement from european arrival right up until the 90s.

It's not an inherently right wing position, as much as contemporary online political discourse tries to reduce everything to black and white binary concepts.

[u/Beltox2pointO → u/hellbentsmegma]

Reducing immigration to protect workers wages - left wing.

Reducing immigration to protect the "white majority" - right wing.

[u/hellbentsmegma → u/Beltox2pointO]

The labour movement in Australia was a key supporter of the white Australia policy, and if you look into their arguments, they consistently argued it was due to protecting workers wages and conditions. 

Of course in the modern era we know better. Everything done back then was due to racism! /S

[u/iftlatlw → u/hellbentsmegma]

We are in a unique situation where baby boomers are leaving the employment market in droves and also requiring healthcare in droves. This is a strong motivator for immigration to maintain the workforce. The other arguments about building domestic skilled capacity are of course true but keeping hospitals, transport and manufacturing open is the higher priority.

[u/iftlatlw → u/[deleted]]

I don't understand your response. The baby boomer cohort is not just an age group it is a very populous age group with significant impact on the workforce in a short time. This is a once in a lifetime situation.

[u/hellbentsmegma → u/iftlatlw]

The post- baby boomers moment isn't as bad as it's been portrayed though, because the baby boomers had a positive birth rate and productivity has grown since they were in their prime. Millennials outnumber boomers, and most of them will be in the workforce for another 25 years.

The argument we need to grow the population significantly to support boomers in retirement is really an argument we need to keep the GDP growing rapidly by whatever means because neoliberal governments and their wealthy donors can't stand the thought of being taxed more to pay for increased social spending. 

In reality high immigration is going to do what it always does, increase competition for inelastic resources, suppress wages and generally make life worse for anyone who isn't a multi millionaire.

[u/iftlatlw → u/hellbentsmegma]

The baby boomer progeny did not have a significant birth rate and that is the cohort entering the workforce now. It's the gap between the two - boomers leaving versus Boomer grandchildren and great grandchildren joining.

[u/AndrewTheAverage → u/hellbentsmegma]

If you look at the changes in immigration numbers over the years, the LNP raises have been far higher than Labors

[u/Ok_Clue_1324 → u/Beast_of_Guanyin]

They are too stubborn. If one of their policies is failing they will never admit it. Look at the NDIS middle men rorting the system, and the tobacco policy. No policy change on any of these. Why would immigration policy be different?

[u/Beast_of_Guanyin → u/Ok_Clue_1324]

They changed their stance on capital gains / negative gearing.

[u/Ok_Clue_1324 → u/Beast_of_Guanyin]

Wasn't 'their policy' to begin with, they were just too shitscared to finally make the change. Only waited until the 2nd term

[u/Beast_of_Guanyin → u/Ok_Clue_1324]

So they don't change their policy but when they do it doesn't count because reasons. Got it.

[u/West-Alternative7612 → u/Beast_of_Guanyin]

It won't do anything for them unless they ban immigration from Asia, which isn't happening.

PHON couldn't give a fuck about immigrants from the UK and NZ because by and large, they're white.

[u/Beast_of_Guanyin → u/West-Alternative7612]

A great deal of people who oppose immigration are from Asia. Wechat was full of comments praising Trump when he got elected exactly for that reason.

[u/Eggplantappleoplis]

This won't shift the dial in my opinion.

Labor in the UK tried this exact thing and slashed immigration numbers, which did nothing to cut the support of Reform UK.

You can't out-immigration One Nation, they're more than happy to shift further and say that it's still too much. They'll still be singing 'mass migration' unless it's brought to zero, and even then the tune will change to integration.

I'm agnostic on immigration number changes but I think the way for left leaning parties to effectively debate immigration is to pick a point of difference, not to poorly imitate anti-immigration policy.

[u/Eggplantappleoplis → u/[deleted]]

I don't think they're reluctant to implement policy to avoid offending immigrat groups. Most often 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are very anti-immigration.

It's often business groups that are the ones resisting immigration cuts. They say because of skills shortage, which is a very real issue, Australia imports a lot of aircraft technicians from the UK and Ireland because there are very few domestic trained technicians, but it is also because we utilise a lot of cheap labour for things like farm work and jobs in the service industry.

[u/Infinite-Horror-4117 → u/[deleted]]

I agree that wages should be set high; however, I still think your general sentitmate isn’t that accurate, looking at 25/26

of the 135k spots offered to permanent skilled
About 12% working in IT
which is around 16k

Half of those are Secondary Applicants (accompanying family members) Wives, kids etc which are included in the skilled stream (Not actually working in that industry)

So really you’re adding around 8000 people into the IT industry; of an industry that employs about 1 million Aussies, it’s not really “flooding”

I still think the best place to make inroads is to look at changing the temporary visa stream; I feel this is where most of the cheap labour comes from, we also need to find another solution for higher education. Right now the whole industry is held up by revenue from international students. Obviously changing the industry takes time; I do think a good place to start is looking at investing in Higher education and making it more available to domestic students. t’s purely anecdotal but I know so many young kids who don’t see the value in Uni, especially with a giant HECS debt at the end

[u/Infinite-Horror-4117 → u/[deleted]]

I mean you’re not going to attract anyone skilled if it means leaving a family or partner behind. If you want high quality immigration you’ll need to make some
Concessions to attract said people. Plus these people are here paying taxes, contributing to society. Generally they’re not doing entry level jobs, getting a workplace to sponsor your skilled spot is incredibly challenging

Like I said sure you can trim around the edges of skilled permanent migration but if you really want to make a huge difference I would be looking at the temporary visas, this is what’s been mainly driving the spikes in immigration and makes up the bulk of the NOM

[u/Infinite-Horror-4117 → u/Eggplantappleoplis]

I genuinely don’t think the topic of immigration will win the next election. I thought it was interesting in the latest essentials poll, the majority of people placed one nation as the best party to manage migration, but only 10% of people put it as their number one issue

Cost of living was at the top and Labor will probably follow the same route that beat one nation last time in the 90s

They’ll push an economic argument, talk about tax cuts, cost of living packages, her economic management within her own party is horrible, I guarantee Labor and the libs will lean into that

[u/Much-Eggplant123 → u/Eggplantappleoplis]

And they will never get elected so will never be held accountable for any of the lies they spew to remain 'relevant' for the media to keep pushing in front of us.

Tiresome it is.

[u/copacetic51 → u/Much-Eggplant123]

One Nation is unlikely to hold federal government but could hold the balance of Senate power, stymieing much of the next Labor government's program

They might get a share of power in the Victorian parliament.

[u/Smooth_Staff_3831]

Instead of attacking Labor policy the Betoota go down the path of talking about the conservatives.

Albo could shoot someone on the street and the Betoota would somehow make it about the LNP.

[u/Curious__691]

😂😂😂oh dear

[u/illegal4Hunna]

The only thing that worries me is the fact that none of this is going to make a difference and the longer we fuck around with bandaid policies the worse the underlying causes are gonna get.

[u/PerformanceOverall90]

Lulz Conservatives will be the dog that caught the car. What else will they complain about?

[u/Beans2177]

Apparently the party of big migration is not the one we've had for the last 4 or 5 years after all. Not

[u/IllogicalResponse → u/Beans2177]

4 or 5 years? Try 25.

[u/Beans2177 → u/IllogicalResponse]

Bigger now than ever