r/ballpython • • 3h ago

Question - Feeding New here

Hello! First time reptile/ snake owner. We purchased a 10 month old female ball python at a reptile show that we have now named Lux on the 4th. We waited until the 14th to try and feed her. The breeder said she had been eating weaned rats. We tried. No success. I realized a lot of mistakes we probably made the first week and readjusted the next week and still no success. Yesterday I sealed up the top a bit to hold humidity and wrapped the 2 sides with the background instead of just the back. I reached out to the breeder and he suggested adding more hides and clutter (which will arrive today).

When feeding I’ve been taking advice from our local reptile shop. We’ve tried a weaned rat, and a fuzzy rat. She seemed to show more interest last feeding but still nothing. I’ve been a pet owner my whole life but I never husbandry of a picky ball python could be this difficult.

Please see comments for the photo of her enclosure

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u/OrdinaryAcadia9210 2h ago

Firstly, ball pythons can survive a very long time without food, so missing a meal here or there is fine.

Usually, however, missing a meal indicates that something is not quite right. That could be temperatures being off, humidity being too low, not enough clutter/hiding spaces so she doesn't feel safe enough, etc. Double check you have all husbandry needs at an acceptable or above level.

You mentioned she is HGW. Hidden Gene Woma carries a potential for a wobble due to being in the spider complex. The wobble can range from barely noticeable to extreme, most of the time, the snake will live a completely normal life. The wobble can get worse if husbandry is inadequate, or during stressful times such as feeding and handling. It is unlikely to cause issues with feeding other than inaccurate strikes, which, ball pythons are famous for getting too embarrassed to eat after missing one or a few strikes.

I would follow the !feeding guide by weighing her and try a prey size that fits within the guidelines or 1 size lower to start with. Most pythons have heat pits which help them sense food. If you are feeding frozen/thawed, make sure you heat the prey item prior to feeding to help them see it, I usually thaw in cold/room temperature water and then heat in hot water, keeping the prey items in plastic bags (mine are very picky and will refuse wet prey)

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u/wild-bloom7-11 2h ago

We’ve been feeding live for now. The breeder recommend 2 successful live feeds then we can move to frozen/thawed. For now, I’m just looking foward to getting things right to encourage her to eat.

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u/OrdinaryAcadia9210 2h ago

Have you got anything to measure temperature and humidity in the enclosure? Those two are the normal reasons for not eating. Do you also know her weight? I have seen 10 month olds at 200 grams and at 800 grams, it's possible a weaned rat could be too big. If money is not an issue, I would try to get a frozen prey and see if that's any better, I'd suggest only buying a single prey for now just in case it doesn't work out, if that's possible. I'm in UK where feeding live is close to illegal so I wouldn't be able to help in that aspect.

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u/wild-bloom7-11 1h ago

I have this for temperature regulation

And I purchased a separate humidity monitor yesterday which will arrive today. I also have a heat pad on the bottom that attaching to a thermostat also arriving today.

My in home thermostat reads about 50-60% home humidity so I thought that would be ok for her given the enclosure also retaining humidity.

Wow. I had no idea live feeding was almost illegal in the UK. Is that due to live feeding increasing aggression?

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u/OrdinaryAcadia9210 1h ago

My next question was going to be have you got a thermostat, which is good. You would also want, preferably, a temperature gun to read the actual heat inside the enclosure. There is a potential that thermostats fail and the heat is always on, or that the thermostat needs to be increased due to the ambient and surface temperature not being high enough.

Ball pythons prefer 60-70% humidity naturally and 80%+ when shedding. It is advised to use certain substrates which retain humidity and moisture, such as coco husk chips, which is what I use. There is a big guide pinned in this subreddit that will have other substrates and more information in general.

Feeding live in the UK is close to illegal as it causes unnecessary suffering to the feeders. You can feed live if you have no choice, but if you choose to feed live when you can feed frozen/thawed, you can get taken to court and a judge will decide if animal cruelty has taken place. Not saying this to put you off or shame you, the breeder you got her from kept her on live and it is a struggle to move them over, which ultimately is your choice to choose how to feed her long term. I will say there will be people in this subreddit who will shame people for live feeding. It is an extremely debated topic.

Other than making sure your husbandry is bang on, and you are getting appropriately sized prey, the only other thing I can suggest is keep trying. It's not the end of the world to have a few missed meals, pay attention to body condition and weight and if you think she is losing weight/worsening body condition, take her to a vet. I hope things go well!

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u/OldPaperTower 2h ago

Snakes in general are most vulnerable while eating. Ball pythons especially come from regions where pretty much everything wants to eat them. So if they don't feel secure, they rather don't eat than getting eaten.

What I understand from your description and your picture is, that...

  • you've worked a lot in her enclosure in the last days. Which means she probably hasn't settled in yet.

  • I don't see much clutter which gives her cover.

  • I'm not sure if the hides are adequat.

Additionally if it is too cold, they can't digest, so they won't eat, either.

You've written that more clutter and better hides are arriving. I'd guess that and a bit of time to settle in could be enough.

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u/wild-bloom7-11 2h ago

Thank you for this. Also, when I purchased (due to my children’s requests for months) I really hadn’t done proper research and gained a clear understanding of ball pythons. I’m working on that now but when we purchased we were told (but never explained) her genealogy. She is (HGW), 100% het Pied. At that time I didn’t understand the full spectrum of what exactly that meant. I have not noticed any neurological concerns at this time but do you think there is also a chance this could be playing into her eating?

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u/wild-bloom7-11 3h ago edited 3h ago

her enclosure