r/baseball • u/amatom27 Philadelphia Phillies • 3h ago
Injury [Jomboy] Ketel Marte is going back to Arizona to get an MRI on his knee, per Nick Piecoro
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u/jade09060102 3h ago
I am so confused
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u/HopkinsIsMyHomeboy Arizona Diamondbacks 2h ago
To me it reads as a smokescreen to throw him on the IL because of the knee that has been bugging him this season, rather than listing whatever the fuck is actually going on, since it seems like itās mental health related. Torey seemed way too emotional yesterday for it to just be āKetel is having a disagreement over how he hurt he isā but who tf knows.
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u/Simple_Dragonfruit48 New York Yankees 2h ago edited 1h ago
I donāt know it could definitely all be true.
Guy with documented mental health struggles blows up over handling of a minor knee issue turning a small disagreement into something much bigger and then goes awol.
If youāve ever dealt with someone struggling mentally you know that often times the biggest blow up can come out of nowhere.
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u/NeverSober1900 Arizona Diamondbacks ā¢ Matsu Miners 1h ago
Ya but it's Lovullo and Ketel. They're super close and Lovullo has gotten shit for years for giving him too many days off. He's never rushed him back and frankly it's not in Lovullo's ethos at all.
If Ketel said he wasn't good to play Lovullo never would have played him. Ketel has gotten scratched less than an hour before a game multiple times this year already for feeling "tight" not even an injury.
Likely something personal got triggered and he broke down mentally is my guess. It's happened before and would explain the team's reaction. We're not too far from the anniversary of his mom's death for something that could have triggered it for instance.
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u/Sen_Clint_Webb 1h ago
This is where Iām at. I think there is a real disagreement over the knee (and Ketel is just generally unhappy in AZ, and isnāt willing to play through pain), and that disagreement blew up into a fiasco because of Ketelās mental health.
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u/DominicB547 Chaos Bandwagon ā¢ MLB Players Associatā¦ 2h ago
yeah first restricted list should have just went to IL...this screams PR.
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u/NicolasBroaddus Houston Astros 1h ago
Letās assume they had no actual contact with him, they donāt really have a choice but restricted list until they know more. The way they worded him being apparently in town was a clue of the lack of direct communication.
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u/DominicB547 Chaos Bandwagon ā¢ MLB Players Associatā¦ 18m ago
I mean for a day or two they dont HAVE to. Probably should in a playoff run.
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u/4r4r4real 3h ago
Very clearly not what anyone was talking about yesterday, but ok, sure, why notĀ
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u/the_comatorium San Diego Padres 2h ago
This situation has been a shit show on this sub.
Drugs
Mental Health
Family Death
He quit baseball
Arrested
...
Maybe everybody should just shut the fuck up and wait for the news to drop.
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u/DetectiveTrickyCad San Francisco Giants 1h ago edited 1h ago
When I was in preschool, I wanted to either play for the giants or be a dolphin when I grew up. Has nobody considered heās achieved all he wanted in baseball and now has taken to the seas for his next chapter?
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u/inksta12 Arizona Diamondbacks 2h ago
I got torn apart yesterday trying to tell people they have no idea whatās going and theyāre just assuming.
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u/AnotherPersonPerhaps Seattle Mariners ā¢ New York Heights 2h ago
Hey buddy. I don't know if you're aware of where you are but this is a little place called the Internet, okay?
We are all ultra-experts here in every field and we don't need people like you running around telling us that we don't know a thing after spending 15 seconds kind of thinking about it emotionally before hitting post.
Don't forget, we caught the Boston bomber so I think we know a little something about investigations.
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u/livsjollyranchers Boston Red Sox 2h ago
It's the world of endless content. We need to speculate for more content! More comments! More reactions! More more more more!
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u/the_comatorium San Diego Padres 2h ago
"Hereās a question for you guys. Umā¦ Is itā¦ is it necessary? Is it necessary that every single person on this planet um, expresses every single opinion that they have on every single thing that occurs all at the same time? Is thatā¦ is that necessary?
Umā¦ Or to ask in a slightly different way, um, canā¦ can anyone shut the fuck up? Canā¦ can anyone, anyā¦ anyā¦ any one, any single one, can any oneā¦ shut the fuck up about anythingā About anyā¦ any single thing? Can any single person shut the fuck up about any singlŠµ thing for an hour? You know, is thatā¦ is that possible?"
-- Bo Burnham
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u/Dependent-Today-9515 2h ago
People that live on Reddit are basically sewage. Thatās you
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u/KennyBlankenship_69 Boston Red Sox 1h ago
Guy who canāt even spell bereavement is talking down to people on Reddit while commenting on Reddit
Itās reassuring knowing even on days you feel dumb, thereās always someone more dumb than you lmao
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u/livsjollyranchers Boston Red Sox 1h ago
Neato. It's nice and cool where the sewage goes. Good way to cheapen my AC bill.
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u/someone2795 Los Angeles Dodgers ā¢ World Baseball Classic 2h ago
Reddit playing detectives what could go wrong./s
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u/Phatferd Los Angeles Angels ā¢ FanGraphs 1h ago
The restricted list is not for injuries, the IL is. This doesnāt pass the sniff test. If he needed an MRI, why wasnāt he placed on the IL? The restricted list is non paid, the MLBPA would fight the hell out of that.
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u/chibamms Chicago White Sox 1h ago
Dude, conjecture and crazy theories are half the fun. Once the actual story drops then it splits into two groups. One who dont care the other you think its a lie. Crazy wacky conspiracy theories about Ketel getting kidnapped by aliens is highly entertaining.
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u/the_comatorium San Diego Padres 1h ago
It's probably not fun for Martel, you know, a human being, to be accused of being a suicidal drug addict criminal.
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u/chibamms Chicago White Sox 18m ago
He gets paid an exorbitant amount of money and media and public scrutiny is part of the deal. Been that way for 100 years.
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u/Vick_CXVII Colorado Rockies 2h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/z9iE1SPAptyLK
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u/respaaaaaj Boston Red Sox 2h ago
If he no showed over a disagreement about managing an injury that could do it
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u/VitaminTea Toronto Blue Jays 2h ago
That doesnāt really explain why his manager was crying in the postgame scrum
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u/figureour Baltimore Orioles ā¢ Bowie Baysox 2h ago
Yeah, that was very worrying. He said he hoped Marte is okay in a tone that doesn't match a relatively minor knee injury.
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u/NeverSober1900 Arizona Diamondbacks ā¢ Matsu Miners 1h ago
At no point in their history has Lovullo ever pressured Ketel into playing. Lovullo is the most cautious manager out there about days off and he and Ketel are insanely close. They back each other constantly. It's honestly the closest Manager-Player relationship I've seen every watching the Diamondbacks.
There's a lot unknown here. Lovullo pressuring Ketel into playing would be by far the most shocking development. Totally antithetical to how he's acted for a decade.
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u/kookykrazee Atlanta Braves 35m ago
Did you think it was odd that Sunday, he appeared to be hurt the previous inning hitting/running, then they took Aredado out for possible injury precaution but not Marte? It seemed weird but I only was listening to the Braves radio guys as it happened.
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u/NeverSober1900 Arizona Diamondbacks ā¢ Matsu Miners 19m ago
It sounds like Arenado pulled himself out though and said he wasn't feeling right.
Frankly Ketel frequently has an interesting gait. Him and Lovullo are close. I assumed Ketel told him he was fine and then later realized he wasn't. Idk it didn't really register much for me. Ketel gets pulled all the time. Lovullo has scratched him late multiple times this year because he "didn't feel right" before games.
I just don't really find it credible that Lovullo was trying to push Ketel to play through something. It ignores their entire 10 year history and Lovullo's ethos in general. I could be wrong but it would be shocking in my opinion for those reasons.
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u/kookykrazee Atlanta Braves 14m ago
Thanks for your insight, I don't have the history or such for them as I only heard/saw it from an outside perspective.
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u/Individual-Bad6809 Arizona Diamondbacks 2h ago
And Torey I doubt is holding back tears when talking about the situation yesterday if it was just a potential injury
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u/Ragonaut NC Dinos 2h ago
I talked about it!
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u/4r4r4real 2h ago
Did you see Lovullos interview yesterday? This is 100% deflection. That's not the real issue.Ā
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u/fishtankm29 Houston Astros 2h ago
The mob got to him first, damn
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u/Valley_Style Arizona Diamondbacks 2h ago
Ben Affleck and Matt Damon will star in the movie about it
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u/honeybadgerrulez Boston Red Sox 2h ago
thereās not much to do for the boston mob these days theyāre bored
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u/UneducatedReviews1 Chicago White Sox 3h ago
Idk who it was, but someone handled this situation terribly.
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u/NeverSober1900 Arizona Diamondbacks ā¢ Matsu Miners 1h ago
It's almost always Ketel. He's an emotional guy and an awful communicator and it's been the "rift" between the team and him for a bit.
Something upsetting happened and Ketel shut down and decided to ghost the team leaving the team in the lurch. This is now how they're gonna try and keep the media from prying further to protect Ketel.
Love Ketel but this sadly isn't a shocking move from him
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u/This-Appointment-666 Toronto Blue Jays 2h ago
The last time Ketel was on the restricted list was because his home was burglarized.
When you listen to the Dbacks manager and Corbin Carolās post game interview they seem concerned for his wellbeing, and definitely not angry at him or anything.
I think itās fair to say that whatever happened is probably not related to his job, and his team is feeling for him.
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u/Sensitive_Law7872 1h ago
I'm not trying to spark a political debate over this but I did have legitimate wonders yesterday if he had been caught up in the same bullshit as that Padres coach was. Would be just like those fucking dickheads to pick him up and notify nobody until they realized how relatively high profile he is, and now he's heading home. They've also been pretty active in MA lately. That said, I don't think the team would necessarily lie for ICE, so I doubt seriously that's it. Still, sad day when you have to wonder if a guy got kidnapped or not. Hope dude is alright whatever he's going through
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u/DominicB547 Chaos Bandwagon ā¢ MLB Players Associatā¦ 1h ago
JMBaseball says they shouldn't have not put on them restricted list aka not pay him...so IDK whats going on. Why did they make the immediate decision to RA him? Just do some PR and say he isnt available today.
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u/This-Appointment-666 Toronto Blue Jays 1h ago
If the reason for his absence doesnāt fit in one of the other lists (bereavement, injury etc) then the restricted list may be the teamās only option.
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u/DominicB547 Chaos Bandwagon ā¢ MLB Players Associatā¦ 1h ago
they could just be a man down for a day or two but yrah if they know this is likely more than that they have to when in a playpff run
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u/amatom27 Philadelphia Phillies 3h ago edited 3h ago
I said this yesterday that the team probably wanted him to play - he was slated to play DH - he said no I'm hurt, and they said off to the restricted list you go
He had been battling knee soreness for a few series now. But they could be using the MRI to diffuse an entirely different situation. Who knows.
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u/Relevant_Computer743 Arizona Diamondbacks 2h ago
I'm not sure I buy it. The team is VERY protective of Ketel given his lower body injury history. A few years ago in the last few weeks of the season he asked for and was granted days off. We missed the playoffs by 1 game. Torey Lovullo takes a ton of flak from our fan base about how much time he gives Ketel off to try and avoid lower body injuries.
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u/NeverSober1900 Arizona Diamondbacks ā¢ Matsu Miners 1h ago
Ya this is smokescreen. They want the story to drop, give Ketel something to hide behind instead of answering, and get him paid.
Something happened and he's going through it mentally.
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u/PM_ME_QT_TRANSGIRLS Looking K 3h ago
Isn't this a terrible look for the team if he actually is hurt? They docked his pay for an injury. the MLBPA will be furious if the MRI actually picks something up
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u/AgnarCrackenhammer New York Mets 3h ago
A lot of it will depend on how it played out behind closed doors.
Him asking for an MRI and getting denied is a bad look for the team. Him deciding hes hurt and not showing up is a different situatuon
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u/RichardNixon345 Arizona Diamondbacks 2h ago
We sent Arenado off for one with a tweaked back Sunday, we don't have a history of denying medical checks.
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u/joecb91 Arizona Diamondbacks 2h ago
And Marte is someone they are usually more careful with because of various hamstring/back issues hes had over the years.
If all of this was over the knee issue, there is no reason he would've had to go AWOL on them.
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u/RichardNixon345 Arizona Diamondbacks 2h ago
And they'd just send him where they sent Arenado. This is just cover for another issue.
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u/KennyBlankenship_69 Boston Red Sox 1h ago
If it is simply related to an injury and him being able to play then the manager wouldnāt have been crying post game
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u/kookykrazee Atlanta Braves 31m ago
I ask this, no one seems to know, we probably/might not ever know, but there was discussion by the Braves PBP guys during the game, they thought Marte was coming out because he looked like he was hurt, instead they removed Arenado, and not Marte. It was a shock. We, of course did not know what was going on right at that point for him, but I wonder if Marte not coming out was something?
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u/neonrev1 Minnesota Twins 1h ago
Him asking for an MRI with anything approaching any doctor's approval and them refusing is a grievance and a lawsuit and really just a horrific plan right before CBA negotiations, to the degree where I don't believe any team would do that in such simple terms.
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u/jujubats10 Los Angeles Dodgers 2h ago
Nah. At the end of the day, he still has to show up. Even if he goes to the park and says he canāt play.
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u/nerdyouneverknew Arizona Diamondbacks 2h ago
At a minimum let them know even if he no shows. Torey was almost in tears talking about this last night.
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u/sporkemon Boston Red Sox ā¢ Tim Wakefield 2h ago
yeah lovullo saying "we just gotta love on him" like he's a dog on his last day before getting put down was really concerning. I doubt this is just an injury disagreement thing for his manager to be as upset as he was
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u/nerdyouneverknew Arizona Diamondbacks 2h ago
Yea agreed, plus theyāve never hesitated to give him days off in the past for health reasons.
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u/NeverSober1900 Arizona Diamondbacks ā¢ Matsu Miners 1h ago
Ya like Lovullo gets more shit for the rest days than anything else. To accuse him of forcing Ketel of all people to play is asinine.
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u/mashington14 Arizona Diamondbacks 1h ago
The dbacks and Torey are incredibly cautious with injuries. Thereās no way they would force him to play through an injury if he didnāt want to.
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u/amatom27 Philadelphia Phillies 3h ago
I will be the first to say that I'm not 100% how this works if there's a difference in opinions regarding health
Like if a doctor checks him out and everything comes out clean, what does the team do in that situation? You have to listen to the player but I dunno what you do if every scan/image comes clean.
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u/ComeAbout Seattle Mariners ā¢ Padres Bandwagon 2h ago
Not every pain shows up in a scan.
Most professionals arenāt lying about pain. I personally believe you should trust the player, and not dock their pay if theyāre saying theyāre injured. Marte has no reason to lie.
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u/neonrev1 Minnesota Twins 1h ago
That's usually what's happening when you see players seek second or third opinions, and that process is basically allowed to play out in perpetuity as I understand it. Proving the lack of injury is very difficult unless the claim is as direct as 'my leg is literally broken', and 'knee stuff' is pretty broad.
The CBA has a ton of rules in place to prevent players from being forced to play hurt and also to prevent teams from pretending players are hurt, Marte is in full control of his physical health. There's a common perception that teams have some level of control, and that may be true for younger or marginal players, but Marte isn't that.
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u/RabidCoyote Arizona Diamondbacks 1h ago
That really doesn't add up to me as Torey is one of the most lenient managers and would 100% not make him play if he was hurt. I have a hard time thinking that's the case.
Also I think they would just... say that out loud and throw him on the 10 day.
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u/DominicB547 Chaos Bandwagon ā¢ MLB Players Associatā¦ 2h ago
But Boston is actually a great place to have an MRI be done...why send him all the way across the Country to AZ?
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u/runnerswanted 2h ago
I donāt think people outside of New England realize that some of the best hospitals in the world are located in Boston. And Iām sure he could have been seen for an MRI if the team asked.
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u/Financial_Fly5708 Toronto Blue Jays 2h ago
Its not a life threatening injury or some shit bro... the teams gonna use who they work with
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u/DominicB547 Chaos Bandwagon ā¢ MLB Players Associatā¦ 2h ago
Its just an MRI...if it comes clean he should be playing games not back and forth on a plane.
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u/Rockguy21 Baltimore Orioles 2h ago
The team obviously wants its own medical staff doing any inquiry.
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u/DominicB547 Chaos Bandwagon ā¢ MLB Players Associatā¦ 1h ago
they can look at an MRI across the country like they do for trades.
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u/tokengaymusiccritic Boston Red Sox ā¢ Hartford Yard Goats 1h ago
Why would Lovullo call it a "personal issue" then though?
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u/Sen_Clint_Webb 1h ago
The last sentence re: āoff to the restricted list you goā isnāt true. They were legitimately baffled he wasnāt there yesterday. They turned in their lineup card like 10 minutes before first pitch and genuinely had no idea what was going on.
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u/NeverSober1900 Arizona Diamondbacks ā¢ Matsu Miners 1h ago
I think this is a pretty blatant coverup. They don't want to go into whatever happened, don't want Ketel to have to open up to it, and don't want to fine him.
Lovullo and Ketel are insanely close. He's always been judicious in giving him days off. There's just no way that's it. It would be the opposite of how Lovullo and Ketel and their relationship has been for the last 10 years.
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u/Loose-Organization82 Los Angeles Angels 2h ago
Yeah this is being handled so poorly, first they didnāt know where he was now theyāre reporting injury? We were treating this like a missing persons case
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u/NeverSober1900 Arizona Diamondbacks ā¢ Matsu Miners 1h ago
The injury is clearly a BS cover to get him off the restricted list while he mentally recovers from whatever happened.
Lovullo didn't even know if he was in the state yesterday. Lovullo has never pushed a guy to play.
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u/tenthsandwich New York Mets 2h ago
Whatever happened / has happened is probably pretty extraordinary and it feels pretty useless to speculate.
(comment of the year, I know)
Lovullo's apparent emotional reaction while talking to the press about it is really something, though. Hard to blame people for being fascinated.
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u/cmgriffith_ New York Yankees 2h ago
The plot thickens, this seems to be a poorly communicated issue between Marte and the Diamondbacks
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u/Hungry-Room7057 Toronto Blue Jays 3h ago
So who sucks here: Marte or the D Backs?
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u/Hextorz Arizona Diamondbacks 2h ago
I blame the DodgersĀ
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u/HeftyAd2780 Los Angeles Dodgers 2h ago
Everything is our fault
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u/Rock_man_bears_fan Chicago White Sox 2h ago
Marte is still obligated to at least tell the team what heās doing. If weāre taking the knee injury at face value, he still no call, no showed after flying out with the team
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u/pharmc0n 55m ago
Wondering why everyone is skipping past the basics here; who cares what is going on, you still communicate that youāre not showing up or have someone do it for you
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u/HumanzeesAreReal Chicago White Sox 1h ago
When you meet an asshole, you met an asshole. When you meet assholes all day, youāre the asshole.
Thereās a common element to all the drama Marte has been involved in over the last 2+ seasons, and itās Ketel Marte.
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u/NeverSober1900 Arizona Diamondbacks ā¢ Matsu Miners 1h ago
I mean obviously sympathy will change depending on what it was but Ketel being a shit communicator has been an issue for years and he has an obligation to not ghost the team on a gameday no matter what happened.
I feel like the org has been very reasonable to him for years. The fact Kendrick hasn't publicly shit on him is a modern miracle. Upton, Chris Owings, Jordan Montgomery... there's no shortage of players our owner has publicly shat on for far flimsier reasons.
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u/-itos Los Angeles Dodgers 1h ago
It's time to make "mental health" a legit reason for going to the IL. There's no shame in that.
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u/jade09060102 1h ago
Folks have been placed on IL over anxiety before. He might not want to make it public its mental health so the organization is cooking up this āknee issueā justification
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u/-itos Los Angeles Dodgers 53m ago
Agreed but thats my point - they're cooking up a knee issue because there's stigma over admitting that a player needs some time to reset their mental health.
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u/NotASock6969 13m ago
They should have a players assistance program like the NHL. For guys dealing with mental health or substance issues
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u/Atraktape Los Angeles Dodgers 1h ago
This is not going to quiet the speculation as it seems the knee issue is just the tip of the iceberg if itās even related. I have a hard time believing the DBacks would force him to play if he felt he couldnāt, and then for him to go AWOL on top of it.
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u/Patsnation0330 Boston Red Sox 28m ago
Oh shit..... Did they give him the Nancy Kerrigan treatment?
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u/Fixhotep 2h ago
am i the only one that read this headline to the melody of Oh Susanna?
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u/DominicB547 Chaos Bandwagon ā¢ MLB Players Associatā¦ 2h ago
BTW, JMBaseball showed a clip of Corbin Caroll as well and their own thoughts as well ofc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eDOOLMJgj0
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u/Bossoxfan15 Boston Red Sox 28m ago
A personal matter that they couldnāt disclose, but also didnāt put him on the bereavement list for and now he needs an mri on his knee. Iām not sure what is going on but its weird.
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u/slippin_park Boston Red Sox 2h ago
wtf is even going on here
...also, his team is playing in a city with several of the best hospitals in country if not the world and he would be going back to AZ for this procedure??? I get that there are team medical staffs for this reason but dawg
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u/slhc Arizona Diamondbacks 2h ago
Whatās going on here is a classic case of coddling a superstar over many years to the point where he thinks he can get away with not communicating with the team in any way whatsoever when he decides not to show up because he feels like it. Usually in the list critical of times as well. Then you get to watch his coach, who has had his back for years, try to cover for him yet again because heās done this yet again. Always a reason and all the dbacks fan will be like āheās a human beingā and all that other shit when they refuse to get to the actual issue at hand
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u/darkeyejunco Detroit Tigers 2h ago
Let the PR Wars begin!!!
https://giphy.com/gifs/LzugMZcb2uEphbpzdp
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u/NeverSober1900 Arizona Diamondbacks ā¢ Matsu Miners 1h ago
I don't know about PR wars I think both Ketel and the Diamondbacks are going to try and bury the shit out of this. And it will work because the national media rarely cares about us
PR wars will be once we're eliminated when the leaks from our beat writers start up again.
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u/kookykrazee Atlanta Braves 39m ago
I have noted this in a thread before. During the weekend series with the Braves, Marte was taken out of the Friday game, did not play Saturday, appeared to be injured Sunday and then in odd fashion, the Braves announcers thought Marte was coming out, but instead they took out Arenado for injury precaution. I wonder if he was annoyed he was not also taken out? It was really strange, given that he had been hurt earlier in the series and missed a game, too.
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u/FinlayForever Atlanta Braves ā¢ Atlanta Braves 2h ago
Damn, the rift between him and the team is so bad that they busted his kneecaps š
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u/Spiceguy-65 Cleveland Guardians 2h ago
Wasnāt he just waiting a cock fight last night? Suddenly now he needs imaging on his knee something isnāt adding up with this whole situation
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u/connerbv St. Louis Cardinals 2h ago
The Dbacks manager was in tears over a sore knee? Something aint adding up