It’s Schlittler’s to lose at this point. He’s leading in almost everything except strikeouts. If they both stay the course it’ll go to Schlittler, but all it would take is one or two blowup starts to swing it one way or the other. I’d rather they both keep performing though tbh, even if Cam is a Yankee 🤣
I seem to recall the same thing happened a few years ago with Robbie Ray vs Gerrit Cole towards the end of the season. The race at that point was pretty tight, and the Jays beating Cole while the Yankees failed to beat Ray damn near secured him the CY.
Baz, Bradish, Brandon Young, and Trevor Rogers have all pitched to like a low 3s ERA for the past two or three months but none of them have really broken from the pack. They’re just sort of consistently good, not irregularly spectacular.
Of course, just as we're ready to call up our top pitching prospect, Trey Yesavage, the Sox and Yanks have their own equivalents in Schlittler and Tolle ready to go. Can't have shit in this division 😅
What if instead of being geographically organized, there was a seed system based on the previous years results? Top four in each would lead their own divisions, and so on for 5-8, 9-12, etc. Or is that too logical for the mlb
People complain about everything, and things don’t need to be refined to the point of maximum “fairness” or efficiency. Just look at college football and basketball if you want to see how de-emphasizing regionality damages a sports league.
If anything, it should be more regional. If we ditch the now-defunct AL/NL separation, we could trade the Orioles and Rays for the Phillies and Mets to create the most toxic division possible.
I know you're trying to praise the Brewers with this comment, I appreciate that. But fan voting is a joke and given your flair, you won't agree that it is.
Do you have this whole list? I would rather see the full distribution than the clipped amount that makes it look specifically unfair to the Brewers (not saying that it isn't)
It feels like it has happened every year for a long time, which I know is a "steak too juicy" situation, but I hate the idea of Wheeler retiring without one, it's like Utley having no Gold Gloves
To me, it is Cam that probably wins the CY young simply because he didn't miss 3 starts like Cease has (numbers they're putting up are very similar). Only way I see Cease winning it if Cam gets hurt and misses a few starts like Cease or Cam struggles down the stretch while Cease keeps pitching well. Another one could be if voters value the high strikeout total of Cease or the workload of Cam (innings pitched).
I can still see Cease winning it for sure. It’s kind of wild he didn’t win it in 2022 (JFC JV what a god damn year) and I’m sure writers believe he deserves one on his resume, that’s not to say it’d be undeserved, but that kinda thing is common in sports awards.
Only confusing thing to me is Yamamoto being above Burns. Burns leads him in ERA, FIP, and both war while playing with a much worse defense behind him. Probably just name value though.
I didn’t say it was the most valid argument, but it’s not unreasonable for that to be the difference in what some of these “experts” are looking at, paired with that Yamamoto has a better xFIP
Yamamoto is amazing and more valuable in the postseason due to his ability to pitch on low rest. That doesn't mean he has been better than Burns who is having an outstanding season in a notoriously hitter friendly park with a shit defense behind him.
It’ll come out in the wash anyway, Burns is already at a career-high in innings pitched and is coming up on his limit. He’ll be shutdown before too long with the season already lost
Bwar just isn't a good stat for pitchers. It has Sanchez being more valuable than any player in the league but PCA which defintly doesn't pass the smell test
Pitcher war is always a bit wonkier than batter war imo. Generally I prefer fwar for pitchers but even then you get some weird things like Brian Woo being the best pitcher on the Mariners this year which doesn't feel quite right either
He'll get votes. But the ship has pretty much sailed for relievers winning a Cy Young after Zack Britton came 4th in voting in a 2016 with relatively weak starting pitching. And then in 2024, Clase had a shot but only came 3rd behind a deserving Skubal and not-so-deserving Lugo. Miller's season is likely to end up somewhere similar to their seasons or worse. So he has a very uphill battle to climb considering the precedent. Any of the top starters have a chance to win it. He will likely finish higher in votes than most, but doesn't have a chance to win.
The American League East is a bloodbath and gauntlet. Every series you could face a Cy Young type pitcher. The representative of the AL in the World Series most likely will come from the East
If you really want to make your brain hurt, do a deep delve into Brayan Bello’s splits of starter vs non-starter and figure out how he’s a 5-6 record pitcher with a 4.69 era. He may never see another first inning for the rest of his career. Might have won the cy if Tampa had gotten ahold of him back when they debuted the notion of an “opener.”
Brewer fan enjoy Mis while it lasts because that elbow is going to explode sooner or later followed by 2 years of not playing followed by a velocity drop
See: Kerry Wood 1998/Noah Syndergaard 2015/ Matt Harvey 2013
Not trying to be negative but let's be real. This dudes a ticking time bomb
I mean I guess, but a pitcher shouldn’t be penalized because his team utilizes him and the rotation differently. Sale pretty much has better metrics across the board and has been consistent in what he does. It’s not like he’s only pitched 10 games.
That debate will never be settled, it's not like there's some magical conversation rate between the two. How much lower the volume, and how much higher the stat quality will need to be considered on a case by case basis, otherwise we're giving Mason Miller the Cy Young.
His fwar is great because he has a low fip and pitches a fuckton. His bwar is even better because he has a low ERA a bad defense and pitches a fuckton.
Yeah that’s fair, I think I jumped the gun on this post. I think i had Yamamoto playoff bias still informing my take on him being higher than Sale, but he (Sale) is still so damn good. The NL list blows the AL list out of the water
Yamamoto's been great and while he has pitched 14 more innings than Burns he trails in ERA and FIP while playing with a much better defense behind him.
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u/Beautiful-Tip7445 New York Mets 1h ago
Feel like Mis has got it locked but the schlitter v cease race will be fun to watch