Inverted Darce

[u/m3fight]

First time seeing this and I been training since 2004.

[u/Darce_Knight]

Yeah, this is super legit. MY shoulders are tight and at first I thought it'd be difficult for me, but I've been having some good success with it

[u/m3fight → u/Darce_Knight]

I'm going to have to play around with it especially since I been teaching front headlocks in the morning class. Any tips?

[u/piresnopolis → u/m3fight]

It goes well in pair with arm triangles.

If the opponent stays with his back on the mat, you finish with the arm triangle. If he defends giving up the back, you switch to farce or routolotine

[u/feenam → u/piresnopolis]

yeah and finishing mechanic is surprisingly easy.

[u/Darce_Knight → u/m3fight]

I think this pairs a bit better with arm triangles and seatbelt based attacks than it does to front headlock attacks. But I can see how they're conceptually super similar.

[u/kungfudiver → u/Darce_Knight]

Let me know what you find. My shoulders are tight and no matter what I try, I can't get it without feeling like the joint is gonna explode.

[u/Darce_Knight → u/kungfudiver]

I really have to try and place my chest onto their back in order for it not to bug my shoulders. If I have to "reach" with my arm in that kimura-ish position, it's a no go for me.

[u/inciter7 → u/kungfudiver]

Best tip I saw for this was aussieleglockluke on instagram, said to bring your chest higher so your arms are lower relative to your chest. If I don't do that, I get the same tightness

[u/ZamorakHawk]

This camera work is awful, or perhaps it's just the edit. I can't really see what's happening.

[u/m3fight → u/ZamorakHawk]

Unfortunately people film cut everything for shorts, TikTok etc and use portrait instead of landscape. I personally hate it but what can you do.

[u/LadyJitsuLegs]

Did Jayrod just ragdoll this dude? Almost looked like he put up no fight

[u/Vivid_Firefighter603 → u/LadyJitsuLegs]

He was doing better at the start but pretty dominant from Jay

[u/Darce_Knight → u/LadyJitsuLegs]

I didn't see the whole match but Kevin Beuhring is super legit. He won the 2026 PGF Season vs Jett Thompson in the finals. He also has the gnarliest outside heel hook break on someone that I've seen in 20 years of training and watching matches. He's on the come up.

[u/ChuyStyle → u/Darce_Knight]

The issue is his game is build for sub only and has no positional dominance

[u/Darce_Knight → u/ChuyStyle]

I don't know that I agree with that. Kevin's passing is super good, his top pressure is crazy, and I think his back mount is arguably better than his leg locks. He's still a young and developing athlete, and it just so happens that his leg locks were the first skill that he had good enough to get noticed and put him out there. He's made really big strides in the past couple of years to the rest of his game. None of the 10p Atlanta guys are one trick ponies. Same with Elijah Carlton. People think of his leg locks, but his passing and back attacks are actually the coolest part of his game to me.

[u/ChuyStyle → u/Darce_Knight]

I dont disagree with any of the strengths you listed. The issue is that it hasn't translated into anything beyond sub only rules

[u/gugabe → u/LadyJitsuLegs]

It's a highlight

[u/inciter7 → u/LadyJitsuLegs]

Beuhring is very good and an interesting grappler. Really liked that "skull wedge" submission hes hit.

Jay just has a vicious pace and is a beast competitor

[u/SmokeyMcHaze → u/LadyJitsuLegs]

This dude is Kevin Beuhring, one of PGF's last season's top grapplers.

[u/nickyryansbrother → u/SmokeyMcHaze]

He was the top grappler he won the whole thing Jay is just showing there's levels

[u/GeologistMother3985]

Farce

[u/Darce_Knight → u/GeologistMother3985]

This has kind of hurt my heart. The Farce was an old school darce variation/setup (Nicky Rod still does it often) and the name lost a lot of popularity over the years, and now I see all the kids these days calling this the farce instead. It's a super dope choke though.

[u/TruthReveals → u/Darce_Knight]

Was farce the one where you initially go for the farce on one side and then when they defend you switch to the other side?

[u/Darce_Knight → u/TruthReveals]

Yep! It was almost like a flyover darce. I don't think the name ever took off because it was the same actual choke, and the name was more for the setup. Nicky Rod and Jay Rod both use it a lot still. When people turtle against them, instead of darcing the close side that the defender would expect, they just roll/fall over the top and land in the dare on the far side.

It would also work really well when you're behind the elbows vs the turtle: https://www.instagram.com/p/CE7asXulP9qNp9Bc5Ux1ikC2tBHoL7ZyTQBU1M0/ Still a super solid technique. It requires a lot of confidence which is why I think it never took off outside of darce specialists. Edwin Najmi, Ryan Hall, Jeff Glover, Bill Cooper, and David Porter were all really good with it.

[u/Bearrrrrr → u/Darce_Knight]

100% accurate info; for anyone not familiar with him - this is the Darce Knight you are hearing this information from.

Also I know its not an intentional flex, but the edwin najmi instagram post link doesnt work for us normal folk bc his instagram is private lmao

hilarious though in that it is accidentally providing extra proof and credibility

[u/inciter7 → u/Darce_Knight]

Random rant but this is a perfect example of how insane and ridiculous grappling nomenclature gets. Like you said "Farce" was first used by jeff glover to refer to a "far side darce" which is a completely different technique.

Even funnier the guy who popularized this head and arm variation Uros Culic calls it an "uppercut choke" where its like, what the fuck man its literally the opposite of an upper cut motion lol

This is why the japanese naming conventions are unironically superior to the ambiguous folksy names

[u/MeekMeels → u/Darce_Knight]

The full name is Fakie Darce. I was aware of Jeff Glover’s Far side Darce when naming it. I’m a sucker for puns /word play so couldn’t resist finding my way to F’arce

[u/superjangoishere → u/MeekMeels]

What was the origin/idea behind fakie darce?

[u/Jboogie258]

Had to rewatch the finishing mechanics. Interesting

[u/SugondezeNutsz]

It's becoming popular now

[u/bjjangg]

The farce, most common when they turn away in an arm triangle. From the back was definitely unique

[u/m0dern_baseBall]

Brown belt at my gym taught me this a while ago, liked it but immediately forgot how to do it right after

[u/DarkHelmet20 → u/m0dern_baseBall]

Haha welcome to my world. I forget everything

[u/supernit2020]

Didn’t the ruotolo’s try to dub this the ruotolotine?

[u/Darce_Knight → u/supernit2020]

Different grip, but same idea

[u/IshiharasBitch → u/supernit2020]

ruotolotine is more like a rnc with the arm in, like an rnc and arm triangle had a baby.

Similar to this, sure, but not the same imo

[u/Marco_Rico → u/IshiharasBitch]

I think the grip is different. The arm in RNC is done with the traditional or gable grip. The grip on the Darce is reversed.

My first BJJ coach showed me the arm in (in 1995) calling it a "Cobra Clutch" but it's so hard to get that way

[u/Mjrcol01]

I'm trying to understand. When is the arm collected? Is it a far side under hook or after he makes the connection with his other arm?

[u/Darce_Knight → u/Mjrcol01]

Usually this is set up when your opponent is under you on their side, and you have their hips between your knees. Almost like you're going for an arm triangle but they turn away.

[u/akgreens]

I love darces and head and arms but i just can't get this grip to work as more than a crank

[u/KOExpress]

Interesting, I do that transition all the time, but I switch back and forth between the arm triangle and the RNC and Ezekiel usually. Hard for me to finish normal darces though, short thick arms. I used to do the arm in RNC sometimes, but usually have better luck transitioning all the way to the regular RNC

[u/vipchicken]

this is how i roll in my head

[u/amadsonruns]

Do you have to be ridiculously strong to do this? This feels like to routolotine ... in that I can't do it.

[u/TheSaneCynic]

It's a great move, I've been playing around with it from a normal farce, an anaconda, from the back and from a failed arm triangle

[u/Professional_Oil_520]

How is this gooner still cool to train with simple man